If someone breaks into my house, I'm taking no chances.
[QUOTE=matrix_1995;37995398]I don't really condone using firearms for self-defense, which is part of why I'm glad I live in Denmark.[/QUOTE]
How is it not alright shooting someone that is trying to kill you? What if someone breaks into your house with the intent of killing you and/or your family, are you going to let them do it, or would you rather grab a firearm and kill that person?
Do you guys live in places where you risk getting robbed any time of the day or are you just that laughably paranoid?
Oh shit it's the 'If someone breaks into my house' argument again head for the hills.
Oh shit it's the 'It will never happen to you so why are you bothering' argument again head for the hills.
[QUOTE=Mr. Foster;37995494]No offense, but that is kind of stupid. Clearly an armed criminal is going to take-in your considerations before committing any act against you.
You say this because you have never been in a life-or-death situation. You put anyone into a situation where their life is on the line, or a loved one's life is on the line, all of what you "condone" will go out of the window. If there is a firearm near by, you will use it.[/QUOTE]
I'm not trying to start an argument, I'm just trying to explain:
Most people here feel so safe that the entire idea of using some kind of weapon for self defence seems entirely outlandish.
People simply don't see the point, and the robbery/murder/home invaion crime rates also back it up.
The only people that actully use firearms are organized criminals, and they only use them to try to kill each other over drug distribution disputes, which only takes place in Copenhagen (the only semi-large city in the country).
If you were to start talking about protecting yourself around here, everyone would think you were utterly paranoid and only posing an actual danger yourself.
The most murders here happen as crimes of passion. Something as simple as a guy stabbing his cheating wife to death in a moment of insanity.
The regular burglar usually take their time to find out if someone s home before they rob the place, and if they get spotted, they run for the hills immediately.
As far as I know the pro-gun people here only try to protect the decent gun laws that we have, so the legal guns are only for sports shooters and hunters, nothing else. Just as long as people don't try to take their rights away, everyone think they are doing just fine.
EDIT: With the suicide vs. gun related murder rates here, it's far more likely that you will shoot yourself rather than a criminal :V
Oh shit its an oncoming flame war, everyone get some popcorn and watch!
[QUOTE=Zerokateo;37996183]Oh shit its an oncoming flame war, everyone get some popcorn and watch![/QUOTE]
I'm not even trying to argue, I'm just trying to explain the common scandinavian mindset. I'm really pro gun myself. I would love to own a lot of different guns in the future, but the biggest hurdle to overcome is finding a place to have your gun safe so you can keep them legally.
The reason why I am waiting is because it's hard to bolt a huge metal safe to the floor when you are living on third floor in a 18 square meter room in an old as fuck apartment in the second largest city(lol) in the country.
Alright, I should probably explain my opinion before the flamewar ensues:
You: "If I get robbed, the culprit most likely will be armed - therefore, I should arm myself for my own safety."
Robber: "If I rob someone, the victim will most likely be armed - therefore, I should arm myself for my own safety."
You see where I'm going with this, right?
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[QUOTE=Bonde;37996258]I'm just trying to explain the common scandinavian mindset. I'm really pro gun myself. I would love to own a lot of different guns in the future, but the biggest hurdle to overcome is finding a place to have your gun safe so you can keep them legally.[/QUOTE]
My POV in a nutshell. I just don't believe in having a lethal firearm for self-defense. :v:
Me: armed or not, the robber is trying to steal my shit and could possibly harm my family. BRB grabbing the rifle.
Robber: oh fuck, there's a naked screaming guy with a Kalashnikov in this house. I totally didn't expect this, fuck it I'm out.
Had a dream that I was at a range and when I wasn't watching the bench someone stole my Kahr handgun (I don't even own a Kahr) then I had to chase him into the parking lot then onto a city bus and I had to argue with the bus driver to let me tackle the guy cause he took my gun, there were tears in my eyes and when I woke up I was sweating.
Why do I have so many retarded dreams.
[QUOTE=Mr. Foster;37995494]You put anyone into a situation where their life is on the line, or a loved one's life is on the line, all of what you "condone" will go out of the window. If there is a firearm near by, you will use it.[/QUOTE]
This is a perfect example of why I think the way I do. If there's a bat handy, you might give someone a stout whacking, fair enough. If there's a firearm in your nightstand, you're potentially going to kill someone without thinking the consequences of it through.
[QUOTE=matrix_1995;37996277]Alright, I should probably explain my opinion before the flamewar ensues:
You: "If I get robbed, the culprit most likely will be armed - therefore, I should arm myself for my own safety."
Robber: "If I rob someone, the victim will most likely be armed - therefore, I should arm myself for my own safety."
You see where I'm going with this, right?
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My POV in a nutshell. I just don't believe in having a lethal firearm for self-defense. :v:[/QUOTE]
so if someone breaks into your home, you'll let them rob you and possibly harm your family without putting up any sort of resistance?
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;37996344]so if someone breaks into your home, you'll let them rob you and possibly harm your family without putting up any sort of resistance?[/QUOTE]
You don't need a firearm to put up resistance. By that logic, I can't stop a barfight without drawing a sawn-off.
Personally I'd have a gun on me, but would use lethal force only if he gets belligerant, after ordering him to get the fuck out.
And when a guy points a gun at you and yells "Get the fuck out", you usually get the fuck out.
if guns are harder to get, the majority of robbers won't bother acquiring them - at least, that's the case in Denmark.
We (my family) has officially bought our 3000th round of 9x19.
I am going to feed my Hi-Power well this weekend
[QUOTE=matrix_1995;37996374]if guns are harder to get, the majority of robbers won't bother acquiring them - at least, that's the case in Denmark.[/QUOTE]
Our gun laws are pretty lax here in Italy, considering the rest of Europe. But criminals mostly get them off illegal markets, as we're rather close to several slav countries, their delicious abandoned Soviet stuff, and gun traffickers who don't give a fuck about laws.
Also remember that there have never been a lot of guns floating around the system in Denmark. They have always been heavily restricted, with the heavy control of a small border to germany. Each gun is regstered to the name and the adress of each owner, and the owner has to renew his hunting/shooting licence anually or the permit will be forefit. The military takes good care of their firearms as well, as even people serving aren't allowed to keep their firearms privately. Cops are also not permitted to bring their service weapon home either so the people that actually have firearms are only allowed to use them for the activities that they have the permit for.
[QUOTE=matrix_1995;37996362]You don't need a firearm to put up resistance. By that logic, I can't stop a barfight without drawing a sawn-off.[/QUOTE]
If a bar fight breaks out, I'm not going to take part in it unless I'm directly involved. My logic is, if someone is breaking into your house, why grab the kitchen knife when you can grab a shotgun with a home-defense load.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;37996455]If a bar fight breaks out, I'm not going to take part in it unless I'm directly involved. My logic is, if someone is breaking into your house, why grab the kitchen knife when you can grab a shotgun with a home-defense load.[/QUOTE]
i can see this logic
if you have to race a car you're not going to pull out your cheapo honda over your lamborghini
[QUOTE=jimhowl33t;37996407]Our gun laws are pretty lax here in Italy, considering the rest of Europe. But criminals mostly get them off illegal markets, as we're rather close to several slav countries, their delicious abandoned Soviet stuff, and gun traffickers who don't give a fuck about laws.[/QUOTE]
And that has somewhat become the case here as well, as Denmark got into the EU we were obliged to open our borders, thus letting more firearms into the country for criminals to obtain. But again, only organized criminals are even bothered to get them, because the risk is simply so big, asyou wil get many years in prison for carrying an illegal firearm.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;37996455]Why grab the kitchen knife when you can grab a shotgun with a home-defense load.[/QUOTE]
Because with a firearm, you risk killing someone without realising the consequences thereof. Self-defense or not, killing someone causes a lot more harm than beating someone up - especially mentally.
[QUOTE=Honesty;37995622]Do you guys live in places where you risk getting robbed any time of the day or are you just that laughably paranoid?[/QUOTE]
Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
[QUOTE=matrix_1995;37996626] killing someone causes a lot more harm than beating someone up[/QUOTE]
Yeah, no shit :v:
[QUOTE=massn7;37996660]Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.[/QUOTE]
Just watched Aliens versus Predator a bit ago?
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[QUOTE=matrix_1995;37996626]Because with a firearm, you risk killing someone without realising the consequences thereof. Self-defense or not, killing someone causes a lot more harm than beating someone up - especially mentally.[/QUOTE]
People can survive getting shot you know, and they can die from getting beat up or stabbed too.
[QUOTE=matrix_1995;37996626]Because with a firearm, you risk killing someone without realising the consequences thereof. Self-defense or not, [b]killing someone causes a lot more harm than beating someone up - especially mentally.[/b][/QUOTE]
Thats the point of using a shotgun instead of a kitchen knife. If someone breaks into my home, I have no idea what their intentions are, it's far better to be safe than sorry in a situation like that. And like Pachira said, you can kill someone by stabbing them, or beating the shit out of them. People can also survive getting shot.
IIRC most stories of people getting shot usually show that people don't usually known they've been shot because the round passes through so cleanly
though lol idk about getting shot with a shotgun. instant organ liquefier
[QUOTE=PaChIrA;37996733]Just watched Aliens versus Predator a bit ago?
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People can survive getting shot you know, and they can die from getting beat up or stabbed too.[/QUOTE]
That saying was around long before AVP :v:
[QUOTE=massn7;37996809]That saying was around long before AVP :v:[/QUOTE]
Yeah I know, the only time I ever heard it was in that movie though :v:
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