[QUOTE=matrix_1995;37996626]Because with a firearm, you risk killing someone without realising the consequences thereof. Self-defense or not, killing someone causes a lot more harm than beating someone up - especially mentally.[/QUOTE]
You could easily beat someone to death, stab someone to death, etc without realizing the consequences. Self-defense or not (whatever the hell that means). If you have to protect yourself, it's going to be ugly whether you're armed or not.
Rarely are robbers armed anyway, because they're not there to kill anyone and if they do bring a gun "for self-defense", they're in a fuckload more trouble than the guy who owns the house if they actually use it. Thus, in that situation, where someone is breaking into your house with unclear intentions, the gun serves more as a deterrent than a means to end someone's life. You make your presence and the fact that you're armed known to them and you're more likely to send them fleeing out the window that they busted out, rather then sending them straight to an early grave. Even if they are armed, there is a much better chance they'll flee the moment someone points a gun their direction, this is the case in many home invasion scenarios. Believe it or not, no one wants a gun fight.
Anyway I come here to avoid these bullshit arguments. You could've done without starting it, thx.
I think you all are forgetting the drastic social differences between the US and N. Europe. In the US there are several places where you are legitimately in danger of being shot, stabbed, mugged, etc. where that's nowhere near as prominent in N. Europe
Any opinions on a Sig Sauer 556? Local gunshop has one for a lil over a grand, seriously thinking about picking it up.
[QUOTE=mugofdoom;37992883]He's a homophobe? Huh, never heard that. All I know is his voice is like fine silk and his mancave, which is apparently bulletproof, is the stuff of legends.
There is no country on the face of this earth that is truly free. Save for maybe the polar ice caps and a select few uninhabited islands.[/QUOTE]
What I meant by that was closest to truly free
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;37997059]Any opinions on a Sig Sauer 556? Local gunshop has one for a lil over a grand, seriously thinking about picking it up.[/QUOTE]
Too expensive and not enough aftermarket to justify spending that much imo, but it is a pretty cool gun to have.
Well, I'm glad I live in Texas where if someone breaks into your home you have to right to blow their ass away. Because my parents won't let me have a gun in my room ( Because I'm a minor and thats not exactly legal and because I have friends going in and out of my room all the time and I don't want them fucking with a gun ) I keep a nice array of weapons near my bed. I've got a hard wood Kendo sword, a louisville slugger, a skateboard with some nice, hard aluminium trucks and a flashlight with a fast strobing feature. If someone breaks into my house, they have 2 choices. A. Get on the ground with their hands behind their fucking head or take off running, or B. Intend to do harm to me or my family and die.
Honestly, there is nothing wrong with killing someone who intends to do harm to you in your own home.
It is YOUR home, they have no right to be there. People have been defending themselves for centuries, whether it was with a gun, a knife, a sword, or a baseball bat that can crush somebody's skull in.
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Well, arguments over I'm late.
that's implying that a gunshot would kill most people anyway
unless you hit them in a vital organ - which granted is entirely possible - they're not gonna die immediately
in fact that's happened before hasn't it? a robber get shot and runs off wounded?
I don't own any weapons specifically for self-defense, or even partially. I just like guns. I'm more likely to be mugged by some asshole deer than, like, an actual mugger.
Sorry for starting this. v:v:v
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;37997120]Too expensive and not enough aftermarket to justify spending that much imo, but it is a pretty cool gun to have.[/QUOTE]
Thats what I figured. I'd like to get a nice rifle in 5.56 thats not an AR-15. I guess I'll keep my eye on gunbroker and see if I can pick up a Sig 556 for cheap.
[QUOTE=matrix_1995;37997194]Sorry for starting this. v:v:v[/QUOTE]
you're fired
[QUOTE=Protocol7;37997178]that's implying that a gunshot would kill most people anyway
unless you hit them in a vital organ - which granted is entirely possible - they're not gonna die immediately
in fact that's happened before hasn't it? a robber get shot and runs off wounded?[/QUOTE]
This reminds me of this exact story [url]http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=7528124[/url]
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;37997207]Thats what I figured. I'd like to get a nice rifle in 5.56 thats not an AR-15. I guess I'll keep my eye on gunbroker and see if I can pick up a Sig 556 for cheap.[/QUOTE]
[img]http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss11/rajczak_kashka1/HK416Dmine002.jpg[/img]
[img]http://centerfiresystems.com/images/products/detail/AKAGUN-SUP-VEPR-223-D.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Screen-shot-2010-07-02-at-8.59.55-PM.jpg[/img]
all babykillers
try harder pruss
Definitely the scar, those civillian HK416's weigh too damn much. Nobody wants to carry around a 10 pound unloaded rifle...
The only decent choice out of all those is the VEPR. The first one might as well just be an AR, because it's not like there's much difference besides the price tag. And SCAR's are ridiculously expensive.
[QUOTE=Honesty;37997312]
[img]http://centerfiresystems.com/images/products/detail/AKAGUN-SUP-VEPR-223-D.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
Waaait a minute, you can get Super VEPR's in .223?
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Now I want one even more.
[QUOTE=Honesty;37997312]
[img]http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Screen-shot-2010-07-02-at-8.59.55-PM.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
Sadly, I'm not a billionaire, so I don't think I'll ever be able to afford an actual Scar.
[QUOTE=matrix_1995;37997364]Waaait a minute, you can get Super VEPR's in .223?[/QUOTE]
yeah lol
here they're imported in .223rem, .243win, some weird wildcat and .308win
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[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;37997381]Sadly, I'm not a billionaire, so I don't think I'll ever be able to afford an actual Scar.[/QUOTE]
Dunno if you mean the Mk16 but I realised that was an actual SCAR-L just after I posted it.
ugh I really want that VEPR and I want to stain that wood with a much richer reddish color
would be so gorgeous
[QUOTE=matrix_1995;37997364]Waaait a minute, you can get Super VEPR's in .223?
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Now I want one even more.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, they come in 5.45x39, 7.62x39, 5.56x45, 7.62x54r, and 7.62 NATO (.308). I believe they come in a few others as well.
I wanna get one one of these days in 7.62x54r then mod the hell out of it.
You could always get a Mini-14. Used they usually don't cost an arm and a leg and there's a quite a lot of aftermarket for them.
I remember a Norwegian dude posting pictures of his suppressed Super VEPR .308 and some bolt-action rifle on another forum. I'm just going to dig it up.
[IMG]http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q164/svhas/guns/IMG_5616.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q164/svhas/guns/IMG_5612.jpg[/IMG]
Sweet babby jesus on a rollercoaster, that suppressor looks so good on the VEPR.
that is one fat baby I would like to cuddle with every night
God damn that's one badass looking rifle with the suppressor.
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I wish the US weren't complete cunts about suppressors. I see no reason why I should have to register them and then give the gubment $200 they don't deserve just to own one.
And even then I can't own one in my state without having an 02 FFL.
Fucking bullshit gunlaws.
duh, suppressors are only used to kill innocent babies
what america do you live in? sheesh
silencers are only ever used by hitmen and cop killers obv. hollywood taught me that
Fuck you got me.
I just have a hankerin' for baby killin'.
it is a well known fact that every bullet that passes through a suppressor gains homing capabilities and murders good people
[QUOTE=Bonde;37996166]I'm not trying to start an argument, I'm just trying to explain:
Most people here feel so safe that the entire idea of using some kind of weapon for self defence seems entirely outlandish.
People simply don't see the point, and the robbery/murder/home invaion crime rates also back it up.
The only people that actully use firearms are organized criminals, and they only use them to try to kill each other over drug distribution disputes, which only takes place in Copenhagen (the only semi-large city in the country).
If you were to start talking about protecting yourself around here, everyone would think you were utterly paranoid and only posing an actual danger yourself.
The most murders here happen as crimes of passion. Something as simple as a guy stabbing his cheating wife to death in a moment of insanity.
The regular burglar usually take their time to find out if someone s home before they rob the place, and if they get spotted, they run for the hills immediately.
As far as I know the pro-gun people here only try to protect the decent gun laws that we have, so the legal guns are only for sports shooters and hunters, nothing else. Just as long as people don't try to take their rights away, everyone think they are doing just fine.
EDIT: With the suicide vs. gun related murder rates here, it's far more likely that you will shoot yourself rather than a criminal :V[/QUOTE]
You can try to force logic and statistics on any situation, but you are being foolish if you do. There is nothing in this world that can be recorded, or said, that will dictate what will happen to you in your own lifetime. The point is, anything can happen to anyone, at any place, and any point in time. It's not about being paranoid, it's about knowing that something is possible.
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