[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dinl3ohoXtM&feature=plcp[/media]
i love cokeman
cokefag is mai waifu
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speaking of cokefag he's been getting pretty cokefat lately
yeah and hes growing that weird beard
[QUOTE=NuclearAnnhilation;38025945]bullet names and designation is really confusing to me
i know 7.62x51 is .308
5.56x45 is .223
.50 is 12.7
but like some are called calibers and others and blah i dont get it all. theres .45 caliber but whats the metric equivalent or is caliber the metric equivalent
HELP ME[/QUOTE]
Then you find out that .223 is actually 5.7mm and you get even more confused.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;38025740]7.62x51 is the military designation. Yes they're interchangeable, the hunting round actually, IIRC, produces greater pressures than the military one.[/QUOTE]
opposite of .233 and 5.56 then?
[QUOTE=$$>MUFFIN<$$;38026497]Then you find out that .223 is actually 5.7mm and you get even more confused.[/QUOTE]
yeah but so does 5.56x45. you measure from the lands of the rifling rather than the actual diameter of the barrel, 5.56x45 and .223 remington both swage at the end of the barrel
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[QUOTE=W0w00t;38026522]opposite of .233 and 5.56 then?[/QUOTE]
in that respect, yes
help my grandpa is egging me onto buying a sniper m91/30 on classic firearms
say yes if he buys it
[QUOTE=Protocol7;38026818]help my grandpa is egging me onto buying a sniper m91/30 on classic firearms[/QUOTE]
if he's paying do it
So, I'm not a huge gun expert, but I'm going to be living on my own fairly soon and was wondering what type of gun makes for a good starter. I won't be getting one for several years at least. Aesthetically I've always liked shotguns but I doubt I could handle more than minor recoil.
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;38025909]Same shit different name. Not only interchangeable, but identical[/QUOTE]
Not always though. For example, certain Mausers can handle 7.62 but not .308 since the pressure on the later is higher.
An example of this is the FR-7 to the FR-8. The FR-7 can accept the 7.62 NATO cartridge but will blow up if fed .308, while the FR-8 can handle both.
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[QUOTE=EmperorKabuto;38027048]So, I'm not a huge gun expert, but I'm going to be living on my own fairly soon and was wondering what type of gun makes for a good starter. I won't be getting one for several years at least. Aesthetically I've always liked shotguns but I doubt I could handle more than minor recoil.[/QUOTE]
Marlin Model 60 or 10/22, depending if you want to customize or not.
They're both guns you can pick up between $150-250, shoot a round that is very cheap and is great for people who don't have much experience with rifles.
[QUOTE=Spork-Juct;38027049]Not always though. For example, certain Mausers can handle 7.62 but not .308 since the pressure on the later is higher.
An example of this is the FR-7 to the FR-8. The FR-7 can accept the 7.62 NATO cartridge but will blow up if fed .308, while the FR-8 can handle both.
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FR-8s are pretty.
[QUOTE=EmperorKabuto;38027048]So, I'm not a huge gun expert, but I'm going to be living on my own fairly soon and was wondering what type of gun makes for a good starter. I won't be getting one for several years at least. Aesthetically I've always liked shotguns but I doubt I could handle more than minor recoil.[/QUOTE]
If you've never shot before, grab a ruger 10/22 or something similar, if you've shot some and know the basics, you can always shoot for a mosin nagant. If you want a shotgun, you can get a cheap home defense shotgun on budsgunshop or classicfirearms for ~200$
On a totally unrelated note, how, if its even reasonable, does one get into gun design? I always though it might be fun, but the only people I know who make guns just assemble prefab parts. Do people even actually build guns on a small level?
[QUOTE=NuclearAnnhilation;38025945]
i know 7.62x51 is .308
5.56x45 is .223
.50 is 12.7
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i feel really dumb because I never knew this
[QUOTE=EmperorKabuto;38027048]So, I'm not a huge gun expert, but I'm going to be living on my own fairly soon and was wondering what type of gun makes for a good starter. I won't be getting one for several years at least. Aesthetically I've always liked shotguns but I doubt I could handle more than minor recoil.[/QUOTE]
This will probably be the only time I'll ever advocate this brand but I think a hi-point carbine is probably right up your alley
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[QUOTE=EmperorKabuto;38027424]On a totally unrelated note, how, if its even reasonable, does one get into gun design? I always though it might be fun, but the only people I know who make guns just assemble prefab parts. Do people even actually build guns on a small level?[/QUOTE]
take a gunsmithing course
[QUOTE=EmperorKabuto;38027424]On a totally unrelated note, how, if its even reasonable, does one get into gun design? I always though it might be fun, but the only people I know who make guns just assemble prefab parts. Do people even actually build guns on a small level?[/QUOTE]
Take a gunsmithing course and watch a ton of videos from Midway USA
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;38027510]This will probably be the only time I'll ever advocate this brand but I think a hi-point carbine is probably right up your alley
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take a gunsmithing course[/QUOTE]
If you don't want to recommend a Hi-Point Carbine, what about a Beretta CX4?
have fun trying to find a cx4
hi-point carbines are nice from what i hear
I enjoyed my HiPoint 9mm carbine. The CX4 is cool, but is priced about $200 or so above it's actual worth.
anyone know if there's such thing as an imitation WA2000 that doesn't cost almost as much as a hummer?
[QUOTE=Raijin;38027769]anyone know if there's such thing as an imitation WA2000 that doesn't cost almost as much as a hummer?[/QUOTE]
$950 and you supply your own 10/22
[url]http://ironwooddesigns.com/IWD1022.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Raijin;38027769]anyone know if there's such thing as an imitation WA2000 that doesn't cost almost as much as a hummer?[/QUOTE]
ironwood designs makes a 10/22 conversion for around a grand if you don't mind it being a totally different design internally and a fairly different design externally
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;38027546]If you don't want to recommend a Hi-Point Carbine, what about a Beretta CX4?[/QUOTE]
They do the same thing but the price is so different. I have handled one before and they are pretty nice for their price. Way better Price per Pound than a CX-4... and way more common than a Kel-Tec. Only down side is their mag is proprietary. (IIRC)
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[QUOTE=Neat!;38016276]m44
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pagequeen someone ID this boxgun
[t]http://i.imgur.com/5nyfb.jpg[/t][/QUOTE]
Is that a smith M25?
[QUOTE=Ridge;38027860]$950 and you supply your own 10/22
[url]http://ironwooddesigns.com/IWD1022.html[/url][/QUOTE]
is it possible i can get it in the original .300 win mag?
I saw the cheapest ammo I've ever seen at a gunshow yesterday. 1200 rounds of 7.62x39mm for only $250, amazing price for Australia
[img]http://ironwooddesigns.com/IWD1022_files/shapeimage_13.png[/img]
If only this came in the original .300 Winchester Magnum, instead it comes only in .22lr only.
[QUOTE=Ridge;38027860]$950 and you supply your own 10/22
[url]http://ironwooddesigns.com/IWD1022.html[/url][/QUOTE]
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• Limited production, there will be no more produced
• approximately 31 units remaining[/QUOTE]
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Also, [URL="http://ironwooddesigns.com/IWDFNFAL_INCH.html"]wood furniture for FAL[/URL] :v:
[QUOTE=EmperorKabuto;38027424]On a totally unrelated note, how, if its even reasonable, does one get into gun design? I always though it might be fun, but the only people I know who make guns just assemble prefab parts. Do people even actually build guns on a small level?[/QUOTE]
I build guns, though I don't yet have a mill or a lathe so I haven't gotten into Smokeless. I plan on building either a Flintlock Wender or a French 1728 Musket pretty soon and I've got a .50 Flintlock pistol in the works. What I really want to do though is build a Martini-Henry or Sharps sort of rifle in .454 Casull, something about that just seems like it'd be tons of fun.
You can make Black Powder guns pretty damn easy, except for the springs the whole gun can be mild steel or brass (Even the barrels) which means you can make anything you want with just hand files and saws.
If you want to build guns that burn Smokeless rather than Black Powder you're gonna need some pretty serious machinery and experience with 4130, 5160 steel or higher. Trust me, 5160 is a BITCH to work without the right tools, and you will have to anneal it so it doesn't chip or eat your tools and triple normalize it so it doesn't warp when you go to temper it, and tempering can't be done in water or it cracks so you'll need a lot of canola oil.
Learning machine work and/or blacksmithing will probably help you a lot more than a gunsmithing school, I've never met a modern gunsmith that could do so much as a simple 1018 spring temper.
I guess making replacement parts isn't a skill in high demand when a factory can pump out a couple thousand replacement parts ready to be sent through the mail, and if a gun is so old you can't get a part anymore people just buy a new gun.
honestly for smokeless I wouldn't trust anything less than 6150 unless it's like 25ACP or something
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