[QUOTE=ewitwins;38176238][url]
Oh, and apparently it "needs new mags", whatever the hell he means by that.[/QUOTE]
He probably means he has no clue how to use them or they're clogged with cosmaline and thus he assumes they're broken
Ahh yes facepunch has discovered the groza. This is my hnnng gun and although I will never have it I can still dream.
With the grenade launcher there is a little switch just above and in front of the triggr that toggles between activating the trigger to.be used for the launcher or tgun. There are actually two whole handle/trigger group things depending on if you're using the grenade attachment or not. Its a very modular weapon.
[IMG]http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2010/169/d/8/__Groza___29_by_Garr1971.jpg[/IMG]
And without the barrel attachments on I'd assume you hold it something like this?
[IMG] http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/168/1/5/__Groza___20_by_Garr1971.jpg[/img]
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[QUOTE=ewitwins;38176238][url]http://www.gunlistings.org/arizona-gun-classifieds/phoenix/all/102166/sks_w_ammo_obo_wtt[/url]
How much do you guys think I can get him down to?
The stock, magazines, and the gun in general look to be in... well, pretty shitty condition, not to mention that it comes with a [b]whole 57 rounds of ammunition![/b].
Not to mention the fact that it's probably Chinese, but I can't really tell because he's calling them "asian symbols", so it could be anything from Chinese to Cyrillic (this dude doesn't seem to be the smartest rib on the skeleton).
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I was thinking $200-180.
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Oh, d apparently it "needs new mags", whatever the hell he means by that.[/QUOTE]
Here's your Asian markings. And that stock needs some real love and rescuing from bubba. I'd see it in person before buying to make sure he hasn't Fucked with it any more. But when you get it you should let me shoot it.
[IMG] http://www.gunlistings.org/uploads/l3_rifles_sks_w_ammo_obo_wtt_102166.jpg[/IMG]
According to fucking about with IME and google translate, that's either Chinese for "5 or 6" or Japanese for "fifty-six formula" :v:
[QUOTE=kaze4159;38176809]According to fucking about with IME and google translate, that's either Chinese for "5 or 6" or Japanese for "fifty-six formula" :v:[/QUOTE]
It's probably supposed to be type 56
Basically it's a Norc Type 56 SKS. I believe that was the designation for their military SKSes, and the Chinese Military ones are actually pretty decent.
[QUOTE=Death King83;38176460]Ahh yes facepunch has discovered the groza. This is my hnnng gun and although I will never have it I can still dream.
With the grenade launcher there is a little switch just above and in front of the triggr that toggles between activating the trigger to.be used for the launcher or tgun. There are actually two whole handle/trigger group things depending on if you're using the grenade attachment or not. Its a very modular weapon.[/QUOTE]
Probably wouldn't be hard to make a Groza.
If I ever drag myself away from the front stuffers and do an AK build I'll have to have a go at it.
Right now I got my eye on this though:
[img]http://puu.sh/1ixLh[/img]
Anyone who is for the banning of firearms should be taken to the range and allowed to fire a magazine off from an AR-15. Then they will start to understand.
I have finally found my firearms goal in life.
Collect the main service rifle of all major nations during WWII.
List:
[X]Soviet Union (M91/30)
[X]Great Britain (SMLE-MKIII)
[ ]USA (M1 Garand)
[ ]France (MAS-36)
[ ]Japan (Arisaka Year 38)
[ ]Germany (K98k)
[ ]Italy (Carcano)
I thought the main rifle for the UK was the Lee Enfield No.4, didn't they only use the MkIII in the early parts of the war?
And didn't the Japs start rolling out the Type 99 Arisaka by WWII?
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;38177394]I have finally found my firearms goal in life.
Collect the main service rifle of all major nations during WWII.
List:
[X]Soviet Union (M91/30)
[X]Great Britain (SMLE-MKIII)
[ ]USA (M1 Garand)
[ ]France (MAS-36)
[ ]Japan (Arisaka Year 38)
[ ]Germany (K98k)
[ ]Italy (Carcano)[/QUOTE]
You might look for a Lebel instead, though it'd be harder to find one, of WWI vintage rifles I've only ever seen No.1s and Gewehr 98s in person.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;38177688]And didn't the Japs start rolling out the Type 99 Arisaka by WWII?[/QUOTE]
They still had huge numbers of Type 38s in service, along with a ton of other interwar small arms.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/LbzC6.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;38177394]I have finally found my firearms goal in life.
Collect the main service rifle of all major nations during WWII.
List:
[X]Soviet Union (M91/30)
[X]Great Britain (SMLE-MKIII)
[ ]USA (M1 Garand)
[ ]France (MAS-36)
[ ]Japan (Arisaka Year 38)
[ ]Germany (K98k)
[ ]Italy (Carcano)[/QUOTE]
Thanks for reminding me that I would love to have an amazing memento of Canadian Firearms history: the Ross Rifle!
[QUOTE=HellSoldier;38178782]Thanks for reminding me that I would love to have an amazing memento of Canadian Firearms history: the Ross Rifle![/QUOTE]
Cabela's where I live had one for sale once, but it was the early model so I didn't get it. Was neat to see it though. They had a REALLY beat up SVT40 for sale once too, thing had no bluing left at all and was so pitted it must have been at the bottom of a pile of dead Russians at Stalingrad or something, they still wanted $700 for it.
My grandfather died recently and we had to get rid of all his old 1800 era winchester rifles, I'm talking about some real cowboy stuff here.
Does anybody have any experience on selling antique firearms?
[QUOTE=McNab;38178895]My grandfather died recently and we had to get rid of all his old 1800 era winchester rifles, I'm talking about some real cowboy stuff here.
Does anybody have any experience on selling antique firearms?[/QUOTE]
Better idea: Don't sell it and keep those rifles and pass them down to your children.
If all else fails post pictures and we can identify them for you, then you can try and sell them on gunbroker.
[QUOTE=McNab;38178895]My grandfather died recently and we had to get rid of all his old 1800 era winchester rifles, I'm talking about some real cowboy stuff here.
Does anybody have any experience on selling antique firearms?[/QUOTE]
Depending on the condition and caliber, those things can sell for some pretty serious cash. Hell, I've seen some that looked like they went through meat grinders and they still wanted thousands for them.
If I was you I'd hang on to them though, unless you really need the money. If you can, try to deal with a collector or someone who would actually appreciate them.
Speaking of Canada and Winchesters, they're selling a mint condition Winchester 1894 Canadian Centennial in a gun shop near me.
[img]http://filesmelt.com/dl/Winchester1.jpg[/img]
Sweet, sweet gun. Too bad they're asking almost $2000 for it and rounds cost $3 a pop.
Are Grozas even legal in the US? Or is it another gun we all want but can't have because of that stupid trade agreement with Russia
I'm sorry, but to me, the Groza looks like the bastard child of an AK and a FAMAS.
[QUOTE=NuclearAnnhilation;38179636]Are Grozas even legal in the US? Or is it another gun we all want but can't have because of that stupid trade agreement with Russia[/QUOTE]
According to an importer:
[QUOTE]Probably about the same time I manage to get a "sporting purposes" exemption for a surplus T34.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=NuclearAnnhilation;38179636]Are Grozas even legal in the US? Or is it another gun we all want but can't have because of that stupid trade agreement with Russia[/QUOTE]
It'd be legal to build a semi-automatic copy of a Groza within the US, but illegal to import one.
Building one honestly wouldn't be all that hard though. There are already bullpup AK conversion kits out there which you could base the firing group on, and just change the furniture and the sights to match the Groza.
[QUOTE=Mr. Foster;38179841]I'm sorry, but to me, the Groza looks like the bastard child of an AK and a FAMAS.[/QUOTE]
That's actually pretty accurate, except for the FAMAS part.
The OTs-14 Groza is pretty much just a bullpup AK-74u in 9x39.
I'm not sure about the legality of this but if I somehow got my hands on a transferable auto AK could I use that as a base for a groza?
I think that would constitute "manufacturing" therefore you'd probably have to pay another tax stamp probably and whatever other necessary steps to manufacture a machine gun. Of course assuming they'd allow it to begin with
[QUOTE=matrix_1995;38180456]That's actually pretty accurate, except for the FAMAS part.
The OTs-14 Groza is pretty much just a bullpup AK-74u in 9
There are even some chambered in 7.62x39. I have saved a couple pictures of "close" bullpup ak's on my pc with the idea of one dat making one look like a groza.
[QUOTE=felix the cat;38180641]I think that would constitute "manufacturing" therefore you'd probably have to pay another tax stamp probably and whatever other necessary steps to manufacture a machine gun. Of course assuming they'd allow it to begin with[/QUOTE]
That's what I was thinking
[QUOTE=HellSoldier;38178782]Thanks for reminding me that I would love to have an amazing memento of Canadian Firearms history: the Ross Rifle![/QUOTE]
Have fun trying to find one, the sporters go for $300, and almost nobody has a milspec one, let alone matching, so a proper one will run you $1000-$2000 depending on condition.
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It's easier to get a Long Branch No4, another fine piece of Canadiana, just avoid the ones that have been refurbed in Ishapore, India.
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;38180471]I'm not sure about the legality of this but if I somehow got my hands on a transferable auto AK could I use that as a base for a groza?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=felix the cat;38180641]I think that would constitute "manufacturing" therefore you'd probably have to pay another tax stamp probably and whatever other necessary steps to manufacture a machine gun. Of course assuming they'd allow it to begin with[/QUOTE]
Actually.
The registered part of the weapon is the receiver, everything else is just "gun parts" and can be bought, sold, stripped off the gun, torched or painted pink if you wanted. Once the receiver is registered to your name you're allowed to modify it however you want as long as the registration markings nor the serial number are obscured. Thus it's entirely legal to buy a transferable AK or any other gun just to use its receiver. This is how most Sterling Submachine guns came into the country, as modified Sten receivers built on Sterling parts kits. In fact, you can still buy registered receivers that have yet to be built for many guns. Though they're less common than chicken nipples and they still cost about the same as a full gun, just minus the cost of a parts kit.
Plus a Groza build would not require modifying the receiver in the slightest. You would essentially just be changing out parts.
[QUOTE=mugofdoom;38181223]Wrong.
The registered part of the weapon is the receiver, beyond that everything is fair game. Once the receiver is registered to your name you're allowed to modify the weapon as you see fit. It's entirely legal to buy a transferable AK or any other gun just to use its receiver. This is how most Sterling Submachine guns came into the country, as modified Sten receivers built on Sterling parts kits. In fact, you can still buy registered receivers that have yet to be built for many guns. Though they're less common than chicken nipples and they still cost about the same as a full gun, just minus the cost of a parts kit.[/QUOTE] I know that much, I'm more concerned about what the atf would say
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Since it's pretty much converting one gun to another as far as a lot of people are concerned
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