[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;38181274]I know that much, I'm more concerned about what the atf would say[/QUOTE]
That is what the ATF would say as it is their ruling. The receiver is the only part that is a machine gun, as it is the only part of the gun that is legally a "firearm" (unless the fire control group or bolt are registered under the NFA act, in which case those are the only parts that are "firearms", and the receiver would be registered separately, usually as a semi-automatic firearm).
[QUOTE=Ridge;38179900]According to an importer:
"Probably about the same time I manage to get a "sporting purposes" exemption for a surplus T34."
[/QUOTE]
Hey now, you never know when you will need 85mms of stopping power to take down a pissed off moose.
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;38181274]I know that much, I'm more concerned about what the atf would say
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Since it's pretty much converting one gun to another as far as a lot of people are concerned[/QUOTE]
There is nothing illegal about changing the configuration and caliber of an NFA weapon. People readily build registered AK-47's into AKS-74U's using the same receiver, which is more or less the same concept.
As a further example, some registered "machine guns" are actually just a single part, either the bolt (in the case of many Uzi submachine guns) or the fire control group in the case of many HK guns. If this were illegal, you would not be able to put these parts in whatever gun you choose as it would be "converting one gun to another", considering these kits will fit G3's, MP5's, and anything else that uses the same control group.
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What I'm not certain of is whether you need a Title 01 FFL to do this for you or if you can just do it in your garage. I'm fairly certain you can, but I'd need to do more research, and I'm certain it varies from state to state.
Either way as you are not modifying the registered receiver, there should not be a problem with the ATF. Though of course I would do more research before you attempted this, assuming you ever did :P
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;38181304]Hey now, you never know when you will need 85mms of stopping power to take down a pissed off moose.[/QUOTE]
Thinking outside the box a little, muzzle-loading blackpowder cannons are A-OK in the US with no sorts of legal issues, right?
i really want a groza now someone build me on
ill give you $100 final offer
oh my god ive been dancing for the past five minutes
i just got my license in the mail
oh my god i cant stop dancing please help me
Do you guys have any suggestions for a private firearm exchange? I've always been a little sketched out, but this seems like too good a deal to pass up if I can get him down to around the $150-200 range, because $300 is waaaaay too much for that thing.
[QUOTE=ewitwins;38182450]Do you guys have any suggestions for a private firearm exchange? I've always been a little sketched out, but this seems like too good a deal to pass up if I can get him down to around the $150-200 range, because $300 is waaaaay too much for that thing.[/QUOTE]
If you don't have a lot of trust in the person you're trading with then be sure to carry a gun.
I... don't actually have a gun up here with me. I was thinking of just meeting in a really public parking lot or something like a Wally-Mart. Maybe bring some friends with me?
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Also if he bought it for $250 why the hell would he mention that and then try and resell it for $300 :v:
[QUOTE=ewitwins;38183024]I... don't actually have a gun up here with me. I was thinking of just meeting in a really public parking lot or something like a Wally-Mart. Maybe bring some friends with me?
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Also if he bought it for $250 why the hell would he mention that and then try and resell it for $300 :v:[/QUOTE]
He's either very silly or knows you can't get whatever item it is he's selling elsewhere so he's willing to tell you that.
Also I'm Canadian so I don't know how safe it is to trade in a public park in Americuh
[QUOTE=ewitwins;38183024]I... don't actually have a gun up here with me. I was thinking of just meeting in a really public parking lot or something like a Wally-Mart. Maybe bring some friends with me?
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Also if he bought it for $250 why the hell would he mention that and then try and resell it for $300 :v:[/QUOTE]
if he bought it for 250, he'll probably try and get at least that. I'd meat in front of a pawn shop or gunstore or something, seems like a fitting place to make an exchange.
[QUOTE=HellSoldier;38182144]oh my god ive been dancing for the past five minutes
i just got my license in the mail
oh my god i cant stop dancing please help me[/QUOTE]
Call a scientist!
[QUOTE=Skullivan21;38183515]Call a scientist![/QUOTE]
ill call the surgeon general
surely he must know something about the firearms-related pickle im in
he is a general afterall
Bring friends ewitwins...
also:
[img_thumb]http://i.imgur.com/cNFqv.jpg[/img_thumb]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/3DMKC.jpg[/img]
close enough
[QUOTE=Death King83;38184045][img]http://i.imgur.com/3DMKC.jpg[/img]
close enough[/QUOTE]
Good God that's ugly.
They could have at least not welded the receiver extension. Blargh.
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Wait, did they literally weld two receivers together?
Hahahaha
Your disagrees change nothing. It's like someone ate a Groza, then took a shit and this thing was the result. The design is pretty ingenious though, I'll give them that. Could've done without wasting a separate receiver though. It wouldn't have been very hard to just weld together a metal box to house the extra FCG parts, ala the Groza design.
[QUOTE=download;38174962]Well for the last few days I've been drooling over this rifle:
[img]http://niggaupload.com/images/kWov.jpg[/img]
[/QUOTE]
Looks like one of those long barreled Mausers.
[QUOTE=Shnozz;38184689]Looks like one of those long barreled Mausers.[/QUOTE]
Never seen one, got a pic?
Just placed the order in for an Ohio Rapid Fire VZ-58 receiver. Today is glorious day for Soviet Czechoslovakia.
[QUOTE=Death King83;38184045][img]http://i.imgur.com/3DMKC.jpg[/img]
close enough[/QUOTE]
I like the string and pulley system for the trigger.
I want to build an AR-15. As cheap as possible but with quality brand name parts, preferably Mil-Spec.
The local Cheaper Than Dirt has Stripped AR-15 lowers for $50-$200 each. I'm thinking about one that was made from 7075 Aluminum that was $100. I might can talk a local neighbour into letting me use his FFL for one online if you guys can recommend me a better one...
[QUOTE=Camwi_003;38185894]I want to build an AR-15. As cheap as possible but with quality brand name parts, preferably Mil-Spec.
The local Cheaper Than Dirt has Stripped AR-15 lowers for $50-$200 each. I'm thinking about one that was made from 7075 Aluminum that was $100. I might can talk a local neighbour into letting me use his FFL for one online if you guys can recommend me a better one...[/QUOTE]
Just keep in mind that a stripped lower requires you to be 21 to transfer.
While we're on the subject of bullpup 7.62's, here's a VZ-58 in bullpup configuration:
[img]http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/8796/ezb19754eg.jpg[/img]
Honestly minus the forearm and stock and the dual-tone finish, it's kinda neat looking.
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[QUOTE=stupidass;38185957]Just keep in mind that a stripped lower requires you to be 21 to transfer.[/QUOTE]
I've never heard that before, it should only be 18 if it's a rifle lower, 21 for pistol lowers. Also, it's different from state to state.
Pretty sure it's not different by state, but I may be wrong. Either way, a lower without a stock is classified in the FFL's books as a handgun.
I'm in Texas, and I just turned 20 today. If there is a restriction, then my dad can take care of it. Its no big deal.
[QUOTE=stupidass;38186028]Pretty sure it's not different by state, but I may be wrong. Either way, a lower without a stock is classified in the FFL's books as a handgun.[/QUOTE]
I looked it up, turns out it's true. The blatant stupidity that the ATF vomits out on a daily basis is mind-blowing.
Although it's classified as "other", not a handgun, meaning it could be either a handgun, rifle or shotgun if you somehow figured out how to do that.
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[QUOTE=Camwi_003;38185894]I want to build an AR-15. As cheap as possible but with quality brand name parts, preferably Mil-Spec.
The local Cheaper Than Dirt has Stripped AR-15 lowers for $50-$200 each. I'm thinking about one that was made from 7075 Aluminum that was $100. I might can talk a local neighbour into letting me use his FFL for one online if you guys can recommend me a better one...[/QUOTE]
Go for Nodak Spud. They make retro AR-15 lowers and other lowers that are exact matches of their military counterparts. Plus they're second only to Colt receivers, IMO.
Here's my Colt-604 that I built off a NoDak Spud receiver:
[img_thumb]https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1939265/Militaria/PICT0124.JPG[/img_thumb]
[url]http://www.nodakspud.com/[/url]
Do iiittt.
I really got scoped revolver fever. Something like a nice 6"-8" .44
I'd want to take it in the woods for fun though which isn't gonna happen, at least where I'm living. Wish I owned a plot of land. I know our non sensical laws forbid it but I highly doubt I'd ever be caught or even noticed if I fired restricteds on the land
[QUOTE=mugofdoom;38186079]I looked it up, turns out it's true. The blatant stupidity that the ATF vomits out on a daily basis is mind-blowing.
Although it's classified as "other", not a handgun, meaning it could be either a handgun, rifle or shotgun if you somehow figured out how to do that.
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Go for Nodak Spud. They make retro AR-15 lowers and other lowers that are exact matches of their military counterparts. Plus they're second only to Colt receivers, IMO.
Here's my Colt-604 that I built off a NoDak Spud receiver:
[img_thumb]https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1939265/Militaria/PICT0124.JPG[/img_thumb]
[url]http://www.nodakspud.com/[/url]
Do iiittt.[/QUOTE]
Is yours something like an A1 style lower? I want modern, but I highly doubt I'll have rails. I'm also considering just buying the M&P 15 Sport model. Its $600.
Bullpup AK's make me cringe a little. They look really unstable and such compared to western Bullpup rifles.
[QUOTE=Camwi_003;38186076]I'm in Texas, and I just turned 20 today. If there is a restriction, then my dad can take care of it. Its no big deal.[/QUOTE]
Just don't tell your FFL that, if you tell him you're unable to claim it and you're getting someone else to do it, it's considered a straw deal, and thats illegal apparently. I've run into that trouble before.
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