Choate makes a T6 style one too.
[url]http://www.riflestock.com/store/do/product/18-01-06[/url]
I wish there were a stock like that but with a solid stock instead of a telescoping stock, kind of like an AR stock.
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Or an AK stock.
Going for a hike in the beautiful Georgia woods today, it looks so beautiful out here with the leaves changing colors and such. Deer are everywhere, so I might just go hang out on my hill and enjoy some nature, maybe get a big buck. First day I've had off in a while so I'm psyched :smile:
[QUOTE=ewitwins;38204543]I wish there were a stock like that but with a solid stock instead of a telescoping stock, kind of like an AR stock.
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Or an AK stock.[/QUOTE] nothing stopping you from putting an A2 stock on it
At least you guys can hunt deer with other guns.
Here, we're only allowed crossbow and handgun :C
Edit:
Around Springfield you can use slug, but only in single-shot shotguns.
[QUOTE=kman866;38208418]Going for a hike in the beautiful Georgia woods today, it looks so beautiful out here with the leaves changing colors and such. Deer are everywhere, so I might just go hang out on my hill and enjoy some nature, maybe get a big buck. First day I've had off in a while so I'm psyched :smile:[/QUOTE]
"I'm going to enjoy the wildlife and environment by shooting the fuck out of it"
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[QUOTE=Ignore me :v;38208907]"I'm going to enjoy the wildlife and environment by shooting the fuck out of it"
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You do nothing but rate people dumb and complain every once and a while.
[QUOTE=Ignore me :v;38208907]"I'm going to enjoy the wildlife and environment by shooting the fuck out of it"
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His name sums up his intention.
[QUOTE=Ignore me :v;38208907]"I'm going to enjoy the wildlife and environment by shooting the fuck out of it"
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The way it should be.
[QUOTE=Ignore me :v;38208907]"I'm going to enjoy the wildlife and environment by shooting the fuck out of it"
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Deer had just as much time to develop shoulder fired semi automatic rifles as we did...
I'm getting recommendations on buying a CMP Garand instead of an M14.
Yes/No and why?
[QUOTE=Spork-Juct;38209472]I'm getting recommendations on buying a CMP Garand instead of an M14.
Yes/No and why?[/QUOTE]
Classier gun, but more expensive ammo, and you have to buy surplus because modern stuff will bend your operating rod if you don't shell out for an adjustable gas plug.
[QUOTE=Ignore me :v;38208907]"I'm going to enjoy the wildlife and environment by shooting the fuck out of it"
gg[/QUOTE]
Deer here are very overpopulated. I don't think a deer or two would hurt the environment.
Deer jerky is also super good :v:
[QUOTE=Ridge;38209545]Classier gun, but more expensive ammo, and you have to buy surplus because modern stuff will bend your operating rod if you don't shell out for an adjustable gas plug.[/QUOTE]
I work with guns and I can confirm this. Several customers have brought theirs in with this problem, so use either surplus ammo or some that is marked for use, like so-
[URL]http://www.midwayusa.com/product/953112253/federal-american-eagle-ammunition-30-06-springfield-m1-garand-150-grain-full-metal-jacket[/URL]
in the last thread i posted this
[QUOTE]I had a conversation with my dad that is relevant to this one, last year he went hunting with his marlin .30-30 lever action and shot a deer, twice. it jumped like 9 ft in the air both times and bolted into the forest and it never left a trace, only a single drop of blood on the ground.
This year when he went down there and said he saw 2 doe and a buck, and the buck had a limp. he didnt have his hunting rifles so in a few weeks he said he would switch over to his k98 re-chambered in .270 win.[/QUOTE]
well he ended up getting the same buck he shot last time. He even dug the old bullet out of him
.30-30 is useless on bucks if it doesn't hit the heart
[QUOTE=Ignore me :v;38208907]"I'm going to enjoy the wildlife and environment by shooting the fuck out of it"
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You've obviously never seen a ring of 6 dead deer huddled together in the snow, all dead from starvation.
It fucking sucks, and is why even the DEC goes out and culls deer if there aren't enough hunters.
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;38210790]You've obviously never seen a ring of 6 dead deer huddled together in the snow, all dead from starvation.
It fucking sucks, and is why even the DEC goes out and culls deer if there aren't enough hunters.[/QUOTE]
People against regulated hunting don't seem to realize that the natural alternative to game tags is for the bulk of a population to starve or freeze to death in the winter because all the prime real estate and food has been taken by the stronger, tougher animals. Not to mention all those pretty forests stripped bare of everything below the height of the average deer on it's hind legs.
Good luck dealing with poachers without Fish and Game too, with no money coming in from game tags and licenses they're gonna be penniless.
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;38210534].30-30 is useless on bucks if it doesn't hit the heart[/QUOTE]
If you can't hit the heart why are you holding a gun?
[QUOTE=Bazz;38211086]If you can't hit the heart why are you holding a gun?[/QUOTE]
I can hit the heart, I've had that drilled into my head since I was a toddler. So many people have the idea that the lungs are good enough, these are the people that end up having to track the deer through the forest for an hour after making the shot. The furthest a deer has ever gotten from one of my shots has been about 30 feet. These are the people that absolutely have to use .30-06 against a deer if they don't want to be incredibly inhumane.
I guess not being able to hit the heart isn't that crazy, it isn't a big target. What's crazy is that even though they're not able to make the shot cleanly, they go for it anyway.
Having a discussion on /k/, what is worse: Garand thumb or AG-42B thumb?
well I've never seen an AG-42B take off a chunk of thumb so I'm going to say Garand
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all I've ever seen out of an AG-42B is some nasty bruises
[QUOTE=Spork-Juct;38211793]Having a discussion on /k/, what is worse: Garand thumb or AG-42B thumb?[/QUOTE]
Just got me thinking, what causes the bolt not to slide forward after inserting the clip on some Garands? Happens to mine, you have to slam the bolt to shut it.
So hey, I just googled 'Garand thumb'
[I]Eeeuughhh.[/I]
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;38211678]I can hit the heart, I've had that drilled into my head since I was a toddler. So many people have the idea that the lungs are good enough, these are the people that end up having to track the deer through the forest for an hour after making the shot. The furthest a deer has ever gotten from one of my shots has been about 30 feet. These are the people that absolutely have to use .30-06 against a deer if they don't want to be incredibly inhumane.
I guess not being able to hit the heart isn't that crazy, it isn't a big target. What's crazy is that even though they're not able to make the shot cleanly, they go for it anyway.[/QUOTE]
Oh that, there was a discussion on another forum about .45 vs .50 cal muzzleloaders for hunting and this was posted:
[quote]
Unlike trying to build a pyramid like the Ancients may or may not have, I CAN shoot deer with different ball sizes and bullet designs and view the results.
Not only that I ALREADY HAVE.
I have shot a probably 3 year old Mule Deer with a 38-40 WCF blackpowder load form a first model Colt LMR with 24" barrel. I was using 37 gr FFF in a "semi-balloon head" case, Lyman 40143 (copy of factory bullet). Deer was shot through the lungs. Tiny wound channels, deer ran 40-50 yards and collapsed.
Shot a deer with a 54 loaded with 120 gr of FFF. Made BIG wound channels through lungs. Deer ran 40-50 yards and fell. Shot a WT doe at 25-30 yards 54 RB 100 gr of FFF Swiss. Just under the front of the shoulder blades, pass through, impact velocity probably 1700. Deer ran 200 yards with no reaction at all other than running away. Fell dead at full speed sliding about 25 feet on the snow.
Mule deer buck, very similar to the one shot at close range with the 38-40, shot at 140 long steps with 50 caliber RB, deer made 40 yards and fell dead. Son shot a Mule deer near identical to the the last one mentioned, 45 gr of FFF 45 cal RB. Shot passed through the lungs just over the heart. Deer ran maybe 80 yards (died in seconds at any rate).
Shot a doe that was somewhat agitated at about 50 yards with a 50, 90 gr fff, perfect lung shot. Deer ran 200+ stood and bled out a pool of blood from her nose and then fell forward into it.
Doe Mule Deer broad side, shot with 400 gr soft PP bullet with 35 caliber flat point, 92 gr of FF in a 44-90, perfect lung shot, deer ran about 120 yards. This load was very destructive in heavy muscle based on a neck shot I made that missed to bone and blew all the meat off the tendons above the spine for about 4". Deer dropped to the shot and I cut his throat.
Deer shot at 40-50 yards, .662 ball, 140 gr of FF Swiss. Deer facing the gun. Ball entered to one side of the windpipe, make a large hole at the top 2/3 of the heart. A trail of blood and tissue was blown back out the wound toward the gun.
Massive blood loss up the path she took
[img]http://puu.sh/1jrbH[/img]
Ran FARTHER then the deer shot with the 50 at 140 that MISSED the heart, FARTHER than the one shot with the anemic 38-40.
I shot a MD Doe with 54 PISTOL distance 20-25 yards. Ball breaks the humerus, takes arteries at top of heart, deer runs about 40 yards and collapses. Ball under far side hide.
[img]http://puu.sh/1jrcI[/img]
In the end ALL the guns listed performed the same.
The deer died. The size of the hole, the potential energy of the bullet, how it was shaped had little to do with how soon they collapsed.
This is DEER. Now if we go to larger animals the larger bores will show better results. Or should.
Elk shot at about 70-80 yards with a 54. Broke Humerus, holed aorta, elk went down, struggled, got up ran about (you guessed it) 50 yards and collapsed.
I have seen a buck run 100+ shot with a 7mm Mag with chunks of lung hanging out the exit wound.
The point is this.
If the deer is shot in the lungs or heart there will be little PRACTICAL difference, on average, between a 45-50-54 rb rifle. This carries over to a number of other firearms as well that are far more powerful, capable, higher velocity, better bullet design, etc etc which I added as a point of reference.
So a GOOD shot with a 45 RB will have better luck than a mediocre shot with a 54. Since BOTH calibers will RELIABLY kill deer IF used properly. If people insist on taking risky shots, trying to hit the heart from the wrong end, trying to shoot the deer in the lungs from too much of an angle etc etc all bets are off..
From a PRACTICAL standpoint. With PROPER shot placement the 45-50-54 are EQUAL so far as killing deer. The individual stamina of the deer will have more effect on how long the deer lives/how far it travels, than the caliber.
These are all things I have personally witnessed, no theory, no formulas, no working as a shill for some powder/bullet/gun maker. Just what REALLY happened. Yes I have rarely shot deer that dropped at the shot, but aside from a deer my son shot with a 6.5x55 and an antelope I shot with a clients 270, all involved the bullet passing close to the spine or striking it.
This one dropped to the shot. I was uphill from him 30 yards maybe and it was a quartering shot, he was walking up a trail that passed to my right and was looking at me with his neck slightly bent, the ball passed just under the spinal column. The ruffled tuft of hair is the entrance.
[img]http://puu.sh/1jrdD[/img]
Would a 45 have done the same thing? PROBABLY. No way to know short of finding a deer coming up the trail with me setting at the same spot, having him stop at the same place etc, etc. But the 45 will KILL the deer with the same shot placement. [/quote]
[QUOTE=Trooper0315;38212408]Just got me thinking, what causes the bolt not to slide forward after inserting the clip on some Garands? Happens to mine, you have to slam the bolt to shut it.[/QUOTE]
[img]http://iamjackofalltrades.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/m1-thumb-top-view-NOT-locked-side.jpg[/img]
[img]http://iamjackofalltrades.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/m1-thumb-Fully-locked-side.jpg[/img]
When empty, it's supposed to completely lock back. However, the bolt can get stuck on the follower and not be fully locked.
[QUOTE=Black Milano;38203856]I'm gonna side up with Hickok here. Why is accuracy so relevant? a gun that shoots 2 MOA groups at 100 yds. is way more accurate than [I]you[/I]. Unless you're interested in bench resting and precision shooting (in which case you shouldn't be looking at a Mini-14), accuracy don't mean shit.[/QUOTE]
Some people are bench rest freaks that demand a tack driver from every single weapon they buy. To me, accuracy is only as good as the person using it. Using an inherently accurate gun from the start helps in off hand shooting though.
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;38208601]nothing stopping you from putting an A2 stock on it[/QUOTE]
How so?
[QUOTE=ewitwins;38212624]How so?[/QUOTE]
T6 and similar stocks just uses a regular AR buffer tube as far as I'm aware
Fixed stocks need the cutout in the back of the AR receiver to stay centered, though. So if you just screw on an A2 buttstock, there is nothing to keep it from just spinning around on the buffer tube.
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