Lucky for me, I'm a writer. As long as robots are never taught to be creative, I'm sound.
[QUOTE=Phoenix Ashes;24511967]until we develop human-level artificial intelligence, that is.[/QUOTE]
yes because the tech support we call obviously use 100% of their human level intelligence right?
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[QUOTE=strayebyrd;24511978]Lucky for me, I'm a writer. As long as robots are never taught to be creative, I'm sound.[/QUOTE]
actually thats the beauty of a robot run utopia, the things that become valuable are experiences, be it art, books, music or sky diving. of course managing a business will always be profitable, except in such a place more of the money will be going to the creators of the product.
Service Sector jobs wouldnt be enough.
I think what will happen when robots start to replace human employees is that people will move smaller businesses to places that are less populated that don't have the need for robots. That would bring in more jobs and such.
aahhhhhhhhhhhhhh THERE EVERYWHERE!
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RISE up and CRUSH THE ROBOTS!
I hate self checkouts, they still go slower than a human cashier who's been on the job more than 2 weeks
help guys the robots took my jobs and my punctuation now i need help to stop the robots taking other jobs because they might destroy the economy
Dey turk ur juuuuurbs
[QUOTE=JeffmA;24506041]There will be jobs and different areas. Just because we expand to robots, machines, and the like doesn't mean we lose all personnel. We're may lose surgeons to robots, but surgeons will be controlling those robots. Or the scientists will be or someone. If not, there will be other jobs available. We always need people somewhere. Sure, there will be more jobs lost to technology, but it's absolutely silly to think all jobs will be lost to technology.
Also, making robots illegal would be stupid honestly.[/QUOTE]
Making robots illegal is stupid, but he's got a point.
Back in the day, if you left school without qualifications you could get a job in some sort of factory; a sweet factory, a clothing manufacturer etc. That labour's been outsourced or mechanised - I once went to the Coca Cola factory and where there was once a shop floor full of workers and stewards there's now three people walking around making sure the various machines are in order, and the odd mechanic if things go tits up.
It's all well and good saying "Well, if you lose jobs here, you'll make jobs here" but lots of people can't do the jobs you're creating. How much training is required to be a robot technician? How smart do you have to be?
What do people who aren't clever enough for skilled labour do if robots do all the unskilled labour?
The problem is with the capitalistic system. No, I'm not a Communist - I'm a Capitalist, basically, but a Socialist Capitalist. Capitalism relies on exponential growth. When the economy isn't growing, everything goes to wrack and ruin because the system can't cope with stagnation or decline. At the moment, we can still sustain growth because computing is a growth industry etc and also because large businesses can cut costs by replacing workers with machines. At some point we're going to find ourselves in a situation where there's so many people unemployed because of mechanisation that the capitalistic system will just collapse because there won't be enough people employed to spend money to keep the wheels of commerce turning. I don't know of a solution; there probably isn't one. But if cashiers and factory workers get put out of jobs, what is there for them? If you're a cashier, you're probably only a cashier because a) you're doing a part time job in the Summer holidays or before Uni or something (so thanks to mechanisation, lots of students may be unable to afford to get through college) or b) you're unemployable in skilled industry because you didn't get the education or you're just not smart enough.
This is a doomsday scenario, but you get my drift, right? If robots can replace menial workers, and menial workers are menial workers because all they can handle is menial work, what do menial workers do?
[QUOTE=Splurgy_A;24513149]Making robots illegal is stupid, but he's got a point.
Back in the day, if you left school without qualifications you could get a job in some sort of factory; a sweet factory, a clothing manufacturer etc. That labour's been outsourced or mechanised - I once went to the Coca Cola factory and where there was once a shop floor full of workers and stewards there's now three people walking around making sure the various machines are in order, and the odd mechanic if things go tits up.
It's all well and good saying "Well, if you lose jobs here, you'll make jobs here" but lots of people can't do the jobs you're creating. How much training is required to be a robot technician? How smart do you have to be?
What do people who aren't clever enough for skilled labour do if robots do all the unskilled labour?
The problem is with the capitalistic system. No, I'm not a Communist - I'm a Capitalist, basically, but a Socialist Capitalist. Capitalism relies on exponential growth. When the economy isn't growing, everything goes to wrack and ruin because the system can't cope with stagnation or decline. At the moment, we can still sustain growth because computing is a growth industry etc and also because large businesses can cut costs by replacing workers with machines. At some point we're going to find ourselves in a situation where there's so many people unemployed because of mechanisation that the capitalistic system will just collapse because there won't be enough people employed to spend money to keep the wheels of commerce turning. I don't know of a solution; there probably isn't one. But if cashiers and factory workers get put out of jobs, what is there for them? If you're a cashier, you're probably only a cashier because a) you're doing a part time job in the Summer holidays or before Uni or something (so thanks to mechanisation, lots of students may be unable to afford to get through college) or b) you're unemployable in skilled industry because you didn't get the education or you're just not smart enough.
This is a doomsday scenario, but you get my drift, right? If robots can replace menial workers, and menial workers are menial workers because all they can handle is menial work, what do menial workers do?[/QUOTE]
robots doing work: more efficiently produced, cheaper goods. cheaper goods mean more affordable living on a lower income.
that is very generalized but that's one factor you have not taken into account.
[QUOTE=Atchell;24506529]Once we have robots doing everything we can go communist. no point having jobs anymore[/QUOTE]
No point having money either. Too bad, I wanted to flail a huge green cock made of money around. :frown:
der turk r jubs
[QUOTE=Phoenix Ashes;24513196]robots doing work: more efficiently produced, cheaper goods. cheaper goods mean more affordable living on a lower income.
that is very generalized but that's one factor you have not taken into account.[/QUOTE]
It's a good point, but if you're earning no income then that's not very helpful.
I'm not calling for neo-Ludditism, but if we think about the jobs machines could feasibly do, they're all jobs that don't require much thinking. The main reason you do those jobs is if you're not good with thinking either because you're unqualified for other jobs or because you are just not smart enough to do other jobs. What do the stupid people do for work?
[QUOTE=Splurgy_A;24513398]It's a good point, but if you're earning no income then that's not very helpful.
I'm not calling for neo-Ludditism, but if we think about the jobs machines could feasibly do, they're all jobs that don't require much thinking. The main reason you do those jobs is if you're not good with thinking either because you're unqualified for other jobs or because you are just not smart enough to do other jobs. What do the stupid people do for work?[/QUOTE]
we hand them money.
it's just the same, if we had the technology to replace them with cheaper machines, yet, leave them in the workforce to pay them, it would amount to handing them money. at least they don't have to work now, right? :v:
[QUOTE=Phoenix Ashes;24514950]we hand them money.
it's just the same, if we had the technology to replace them with cheaper machines, yet, leave them in the workforce to pay them, it would amount to handing them money. at least they don't have to work now, right? :v:[/QUOTE]
on the contrary now these people would have time to make something productive of their lives instead of working a dead end nine to five. maybe do artsy shit or go to college.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;24515012]on the contrary now these people would have time to make something productive of their lives instead of working a dead end nine to five. maybe do artsy shit or go to college.[/QUOTE]
translation: bum around. :3:
Has anyone seen Zeitgeist?
At one point robots might end up doing everything that we used to do, and we'll just sit back and enjoy life.
Think wall-e (or however the fuck you spell it)
[QUOTE=robowurmz;24510945]...and? If robots take all our jobs, we just get more leisure time. You're not taking into account that the economy and the way currency is used and handled would change dramatically if this happened.[/QUOTE]
yes i am because by then we would have no use of using money
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[QUOTE=Phoenix Ashes;24511904]technology creating long-term unemployment is a fallacy.
saying otherwise would be like saying that shitting on the floor of your favorite restaurant is good because it gives the janitor "employment".[/QUOTE]
i dont fallow?
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[QUOTE=FordLord;24512947]I think what will happen when robots start to replace human employees is that people will move smaller businesses to places that are less populated that don't have the need for robots. That would bring in more jobs and such.[/QUOTE]
thats not how life works
[editline]09:27PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Phoenix Ashes;24513196]robots doing work: more efficiently produced, cheaper goods. cheaper goods mean more affordable living on a lower income.
that is very generalized but that's one factor you have not taken into account.[/QUOTE]
yes i have. they dont make it cheaper because robots do it. they never did before and they will not in the future
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[QUOTE=DrBreen;24515697]Has anyone seen Zeitgeist?[/QUOTE]
yes i have thats why i ask this
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