[QUOTE=clanratc;22955382]How is banning them different from forcing them to wear them?[/QUOTE]
it's the opposite
hurf durf
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;22954863]I can see why you'd want to have clothing that covers you up banned in areas that require higher security but that's the only case I would consider. Banning just burqas is just xenophobic.[/QUOTE]
Pretty much this.
[QUOTE=Roskarnolkov;22955807]Well, there was one atheist state (Not the USSR) and it was a total fail. Didn't last more than a few decades.
Rate me dumb, doesn't change shit.[/QUOTE]
Albania, I believe it was, and that failed more cause of an insane and xenophobic dictator than banning religion. Not that it's a good idea to do that, mind you, but countries with a highly atheistic population are usually pretty nice places (Sweden, Netherlands, Denmark, etc etc)
[QUOTE=Roskarnolkov;22955807]Well, there was one atheist state (Not the USSR) and it was a total fail. Didn't last more than a few decades.
Rate me dumb, doesn't change shit.[/QUOTE]
If anything, you should be rated dumb for not knowing the difference between atheist and antireligious/antitheist.
[QUOTE=notxmania;22955497]Also lol at anyone who thinks all women in burqas feel they are trapped within oppressive Muslim society, desperately looking for escape, especially when in these countries that are considering bans they can remove them at any time with no legal consequences.[/QUOTE]
In Muslim society, women are brutally beaten if they take them off without permission.
If that's not oppression what is?
I'd love to start walking around in a full suit of Armour, refusing to show my face from behind my helmet. How long would that be accepted for? Religion should play no part in law making. If we need to see peoples faces, so be it. This world shouldn't be putting up with this archaic bullshit anymore. And that goes for shops closing early on Sundays too. Don't get me started on that.
[QUOTE=taipan;22955312]They are forced to wear them by law in muslim country's.
This is just some of that habit still hanging around.
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No, they are not.
You have to consider that unlike western countries, most middle-eastern countries think it's a bad thing to show a lot of skin, whereas the western world thinks that the more skin you show, the better (as long as you're hot/male).
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[QUOTE=JoeyZ;22956165]In Muslim society, women are brutally beaten if they take them off without permission.
If that's not oppression what is?[/QUOTE]
I know a lot of girls who comes from countries in the middle east, and none of them did have to wear burqas, neither did their mothers.
[QUOTE=Kade;22956173]I'd love to start walking around in a full suit of Armour, refusing to show my face from behind my helmet. How long would that be accepted for? Religion should play no part in law making. If we need to see peoples faces, so be it. This world shouldn't be putting up with this archaic bullshit anymore. And that goes for shops closing early on Sundays too. Don't get me started on that.[/QUOTE]
Fuckin blue laws, I can't believe we still have them.
Pretty sure they made the law beacuse muslim women are forced to wear it by their family and relatives, now they can blame the law when they don't wear it, however a lot of muslim women want to wear it as it's in their beilif.
American women are "forced" to wear t-shirts too
let's ban t-shirts
[QUOTE=taipan;22954656]
Yes they are forced.
In muslim country's they may even legaly be beaten if they ever go outside without one without their man's permission.[/QUOTE]
maybe they're forced in a country where they find it ok to kill gay people, but not in the western society.
[QUOTE=taipan;22955312]They are forced to wear them by law in muslim country's.
This is just some of that habit still hanging around.
[/QUOTE]
ok, that's in muslim countries
not in europe
also 'derr you can't see their faces so you don't know to whom you're talking to so it might be a terrorist or something' is not really a good argument. There are many more (easier) ways to cover yourself.
you could call the burqa a sign of female opression, but you could also call the ban on burqa, taking away the freedom to express your religion.
and if they are still butthurt about burqas on how terrorist can hide in them, they should make it that atleast their face must be open.
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[QUOTE=Kade;22956173]I'd love to start walking around in a full suit of Armour, refusing to show my face from behind my helmet. How long would that be accepted for?[/QUOTE]
do it
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[QUOTE=jiggu;22956256]Pretty sure they made the law beacuse muslim women are forced to wear it by their family and relatives, now they can blame the law when they don't wear it, however a lot of muslim women want to wear it as it's in their beilif.[/QUOTE]
It has usually nothing to do with being forced. It usually has to do with how you grow up and I'm pretty sure that if you grow up that way, burqas are the most normal thing in your life.
[QUOTE=Takoto;22955535]You're not allowed to wear hoods and helmets in alot of places, religion deserves no special treatment. Ban.[/QUOTE]
This.
The only argument against this is [I]"religion [B]should[/B] get special treatment"[/I]
Upon which your argument is rendered wrong through merit of idiocy.
Thread over. Go and spam oify or something.
[QUOTE=sporface;22954284]Now if only they could ban religion all together[/QUOTE]
People can believe what they want. It is vital to their humanity and their spirit. Take away religion and you may well just take away this worlds ethics and let it become cold and every action be calculated. That's what would have happened without 10 comandments.
Now, if religious people could just stop being biggots about it. I blame American culture and Middle-eastern culture. they're very differen't but they have the same traits in common. There are always someone climbing up the rest of our asses about either their country, religion or other stuff they are too passionate about.
[QUOTE=Bomimo;22956578]People can believe what they want. It is vital to their humanity and their spirit. Take away religion and you may well just take away this worlds ethics and let it become cold and every action be calculated. That's what would have happened without 10 comandments.
[/QUOTE]
Do you live in LaLa Land? Ethics and morality don't come from religion. And every modern religion has been used to justify mass murder and encourage ignorance.
[QUOTE=Cluckyx;22956463]This.
The only argument against this is [I]"religion [B]should[/B] get special treatment"[/I]
Upon which your argument is rendered wrong through merit of idiocy.
Thread over. Go and spam oify or something.[/QUOTE]
no not really
he said
[quote]You're not allowed to wear hoods and helmets in alot of places, religion deserves no special treatment. Ban.[/quote]
those 'a lot of places' do not include 'streets' and stuff. Unless you're living in some kind of weird countries where you can't wear a helmet or something in a supermarket.
So basically what he says is 'helmets and hoods are not allowed in some places. burqas also cover your face n stuff so now lets ban burqas in the whole country'
If they want to wear it, what's the problem? Geez, Europe... lighten up.
[QUOTE=RearAdmiral;22956700]If they want to wear it, what's the problem? Geez, Europe... lighten up.[/QUOTE]
but hurr you can't see the wearer's face hurr!
Any kind of headwear is banned in schools, and sometimes at work too, here, and I have no problem with that (Burqas are headwear).
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[QUOTE=BrQ;22956331]maybe they're forced in a country where they find it ok to kill gay people, but not in the western society.
ok, that's in muslim countries
not in europe
also 'derr you can't see their faces so you don't know to whom you're talking to so it might be a terrorist or something' is not really a good argument. There are many more (easier) ways to cover yourself.
you could call the burqa a sign of female opression, but you could also call the ban on burqa, taking away the freedom to express your religion.
and if they are still butthurt about burqas on how terrorist can hide in them, they should make it that atleast their face must be open.
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do it
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It has usually nothing to do with being forced. It usually has to do with how you grow up and I'm pretty sure that if you grow up that way, burqas are the most normal thing in your life.[/QUOTE]
It is not taking away the freedom to express your religion, because nowhere in the koran does it say that women must wear them.
[QUOTE=cyclocius;22954296]I don't like the idea behind a Burqa anyway, it serves only to be derogatory in my mind. Banning one's beliefs however, especially when it's a worldy accepted belief is a little extreme.[/QUOTE]
It's because men cannot resist women. The Burqa serves to remove this desire by protecting men from the beauty of women.
Not banning it leaves the widely spread possibility of men and older women enforcing it to other women. However, banning it would also be wrong to those who want to wear it as form of free opinion.( in this case: respect to religous traditions)
Thus I think the whole ban/no ban" discussion is bigottery in refined form and once again something where only the symptoms, not the causes are treated.
Burqas would be fine if they wouldn't stand and suggest an enforced clothing order. However, banning them is also enforcing a clothing order and therefor not a bit better than what it is trying to fight.
ADAPT to the country you are in. Don't try to force your culture and religion through.
That's my opinion.
I love how ignorant Facepunch is.
They're banned in French public buildings because ALL religious symbols and clothing are banned. Just apparently it's ok to ban everything except islamic symbols.
The Blanket ban in belgium is not only on burqas but any headware that obscures the face in public. Parks, streets etc etc.
[QUOTE=Cluckyx;22957014]They're banned in French public buildings because ALL religious symbols and clothing are banned. [/QUOTE]
Bullshit.
[QUOTE=sporface;22954284]Now if only they could ban religion all together[/QUOTE]
Dude, sssh! You'll get us blocked in Pakistan!
It's a good thing.
Not a solution tough.
[QUOTE=Killuah;22957082]Bullshit.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, my bad. It's just all schools.
[I]"The bill passed France's national legislature and was signed into law by President Jacques Chirac on 15 March 2004 (thus the technical name is law 2004-228 of 15 March 2004) and came into effect on 2 September 2004, at the beginning of the new school year. The full title of the law is Loi n° 2004-228 du 15 mars 2004 encadrant, en application du principe de laïcité, le port de signes ou de tenues manifestant une appartenance religieuse dans les écoles, collèges et lycées publics (literally "Law #2004-228 of March 15, 2004 concerning, as an application of the principle of the separation of church and state, the wearing of symbols or garb which show religious affiliation in public primary and secondary schools").[/I]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_law_on_secularity_and_conspicuous_religious_symbols_in_schools[/url]
I'm having a difficult choice.
If a certain person was forced to use it and if that person is not satisfied with it, then no.
If a person is forced to use it and if him/her is satisfied with it, then yes.
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