Ban on burqas!!! - General - Facepunch Forum

They should ban the islam itself from europe.

[QUOTE=Oppy;22954268]It's stupid. (Burqas, Not the ban)[/QUOTE] Agreed. If you move to another country, either follow their rules and traditions, or get the fuck back to your country.

[QUOTE=Bllasae;22961205]Agreed. If you move to another country, either follow their rules and traditions, or get the fuck back to your country.[/QUOTE] You're an idiot.

To all of you kids who are saying stuff about banks etc., I'm pretty sure they're allowed to take it off if necessary. Because at airports and stuff when they go through customs they take it off so the person can see whether they match their photograph and stuff. And I don't really think they should ban it or anything. I mean, at the end of the day it's the woman's choice whether she wants to wear it (unless in a muslim country but that's not what we're talking about). I think it's good in a way because these days women are pretty much sex objects to be fucked. Many girls are forced to wear revealing clothes otherwise they aren't picked up by guys, which is pretty out of order. Also, I don't think Islam is nearly as bad as everyone says it is. It does get a lot of negative media attention, but to be honest, there's been quite a few 'accidents' (no 9/11 pun intended) in other religions like the whole priest-paedophile, but nobody seems to judge the whole Christian population based on those few for some odd reason.

[QUOTE=sporface;22954284]Now if only they could ban religion all together[/QUOTE] I know a lot of people who have turned their live's around because of religion. Say you were lying on the ground with a broken ankle, one of my friends 10 years ago, would have robbed and bashed you in order to buy more drugs. Him now, as a proud christian, would immediately call an ambulance and help in any way he could.

[QUOTE=Alcapwne;22962912] Also, I don't think Islam is nearly as bad as everyone says it is. It does get a lot of negative media attention, but to be honest, there's been quite a few 'accidents' (no 9/11 pun intended) in other religions like the whole priest-paedophile, but nobody seems to judge the whole Christian population based on those few for some odd reason.[/QUOTE] There's a big difference between molesting little boys and beheading people because they don't follow your religion. The latter practice Christianity and all other major religions, besides Islam, have stopped. [QUOTE=Mokkan13;22963202] Say you were lying on the ground with a broken ankle, one of my friends 10 years ago, would have robbed and bashed you in order to buy more drugs. Him now, as a proud christian, would immediately call an ambulance and help in any way he could.[/QUOTE] Morality doesn't come from religion.

[QUOTE=Doriol;22961276]You're an idiot.[/QUOTE] No, you're an idiot, good sir. EDIT: forgot Facepunch was a bunch of liberal anarchists.

What makes me laugh is how all these radical Muslims profess a great hatred for the west, right before they move over to western countries. lolwut.

[QUOTE=catch33;22963733]What makes me laugh is how all these radical Muslims profess a great hatred for the west, right before they move over to western countries. lolwut.[/QUOTE] Yeah, this is what I mean.

[QUOTE=Nuggi man;22957351]So they can't rob a bank or something without being indentified[/QUOTE] people wear ski masks when robbing banks as well why aren't they banned? banning burqas is nothing but xenophobia

If they don't want to wear it in a country where it's not a law, okay. I don't see why they need to be banned if they're wearing it by choice, however. In areas where security is needed (ala airports and government offices) then that's an entirely different story, but I don't see why it's such a big deal if a woman is wearing one out and about. It's not exactly like they're hurting anyone by covering themselves up.

This thread is partly filled with ignorance

[QUOTE=Kade;22956173] And that goes for shops closing early on Sundays too. Don't get me started on that.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure that store owner's can do what they want with their hours you know.

[QUOTE=Strider_07;22969673] It's not exactly like they're hurting anyone by covering themselves up.[/QUOTE] They're hurting cultural assimilation. What's the point of having culture if there's only going to be the original people in a culture?

[QUOTE=Bllasae;22970146]They're hurting cultural assimilation. What's the point of having culture if there's only going to be the original people in a culture?[/QUOTE] Why can't they wear an item of clothing? It's kind of petty to force them to wear what everyone else is wearing in the interest of making them fit in.

I don't think we should ban the burqas completly, but to ban them in certain situations makes sense. Why can't someone wear a hoodie in a certain place and another person can wear a burqa? I'm tired of religion getting away with alot of this. A church was allowed to take illegal drugs because they claimed it brought them closer to god. If you mention god into it, you can pretty much get away with anything. Most countries are secular, yet they give religion special treatment. How it should be: Freedom of religion, yes, Freedom to criticise religion, yes. How it is: Freedom of religion, don't do anything that might offend it.

I'm 90% sure that nowhere in the Quran (Muslim Bible basically) does it say anything about treating women poorly or making them cover their faces with burqas. If what I'm sure of is true, this ban is "infringing" upon the backwards culture and traditions of the Middle East, not their religion, and if you leave your country for a new one, you should be willing to abandon your culture as well.

This is retarded.

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;22954537]The burqa is retarded, ban it.[/QUOTE] but if we banned everything retarded we'd have to ban you [editline]09:47PM[/editline] and me [editline]09:47PM[/editline] and fuck it the entire human race

[QUOTE=NightmareXx;22970672]but if we banned everything retarded we'd have to ban you [editline]09:47PM[/editline] and me[/QUOTE] and anybody else who responds to your post in a similar fashion

Believe what you want to believe, but if your religious practices interfere with common social ideals, laws, rules, etc., then get out.

[QUOTE=Lonestriper;22969757]This thread is partly filled with ignorance[/QUOTE] I prefer to think of it as half emptied. I'm an Optimist.

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;22957970]I don't really think we have any right to ban their burqas, people should be free to express themselves however they feel, and the argument that "you can't see who it is" [B]seems pretty flawed as it is only subservient muslim women who wear them,[/B] and they are the last people who are going to cause a threat to anyone[/QUOTE] Wow. I love how you started off trying to be open minded and then you trailed off into a stereotype. For security reasons they should be banned. You don't allow people to wear balaclavas on the streets. Religion should get no special treatment. [editline]09:56PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Mokkan13;22963202]I know a lot of people who have turned their live's around because of religion. Say you were lying on the ground with a broken ankle, one of my friends 10 years ago, would have robbed and bashed you in order to buy more drugs. Him now, as a [B]proud christian,[/B] would immediately call an ambulance and help in any way he could.[/QUOTE] Let me say that if you require the threat of eternal damnation in order to help your fellow man then you are a sick person.

"I'm 90% sure that nowhere in the Quran (Muslim Bible basically) does it say anything about treating women poorly or making them cover their faces with burqas." Actually it does, sort of (I'm talking about the burqas). Read (Quran 33:59)and(Quran 24:31). There are actually more verses like these, though the verses I mentioned could be left up to interpretation. There are other verses about covering the skin and guarding modesty for women. I can't remember the verse, but I remember seeing one about women must cover all except their hands and eyes - those weren't the exact words but that's what it was implying. And I wouldn't be surprised if the Quran did contain things about treating women poorly, I've also read some parts of the Christian bible, parts they DON'T teach in church, parts the church most likely doesn't want you to know exists. There alot of screwed up things in sacred texts.

[QUOTE=Bllasae;22970146]They're hurting cultural assimilation. What's the point of having culture if there's only going to be the original people in a culture?[/QUOTE] So people can experience other cultures and traditions within their own country, living in a country like American or Australia, you would understand that multiculturalism is one of the coolest things about our countries, we dont need a national identity because we pride ourselves on our diverse mix of cultures, not forcing people to conform to any one culture, which is just stupid. Anyway, its not the Government's power to choose how people dress or what tradition to follow. So i'm indifferent if they wear it or not.

Have to agree on the America thing. We don't care, we don't NEED to know their names. I can name a few, but it's like you knowing who cooked your last meal at a restaurant. It wasn't critical for you to know their name to enjoy your food.

[QUOTE='[ToRn];22970846']"I'm 90% sure that nowhere in the Quran (Muslim Bible basically) does it say anything about treating women poorly or making them cover their faces with burqas." Actually it does, sort of (I'm talking about the burqas). Read (Quran 33:59)and(Quran 24:31). There are actually more verses like these, though the verses I mentioned could be left up to interpretation. There are other verses about covering the skin and guarding modesty for women. I can't remember the verse, but I remember seeing one about women must cover all except their hands and eyes - those weren't the exact words but that's what it was implying. And I wouldn't be surprised if the Quran did contain things about treating women poorly, I've also read some parts of the Christian bible, parts they DON'T teach in church, parts the church most likely don't want you to know exists. There alot of screwed up things in sacred texts.[/QUOTE] Hmm, I wasn't aware of that. Well of course sacred texts are screwed up, they were written in a rather primitive stage of man. They lack philosophy, really, they are just cultural rules of the times and regions embedded into religious text along with some simple stories that imply certain morals.

I gotta agree with you there sarykos, it's why I find it hard to take any religion seriously.

I believe this ban is retarded. I should be able to walk on the streets wearing my bedsheets if I want, as long as I am not naked and as long as I'm minding my own business. I'm all for private individuals and companies discriminating on religious grounds, like "we don't allow Christians / Muslims / Pastafarians in this establishment". But if you're a government institution, you should not ban burqas, simply because it's like banning people wearing baseball caps or differently colored socks. And the government, unlike private entities, should be for everybody, not just for some. Anyway, the real reason behind this kind of ban is not preventing the oppression of women, promoting secularism or shit like that. It's the European governments realizing da white man is too comfortable and too educated in his Western, self-sufficient society, thus chooses to make less kids, while da Muslim brudda shits kids like crazy, spreading Islam in the process. If this goes on, Europe will be mainly Islamic in what, 50? 100 years?

Hijab's are fine Burqa's, please no.