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[QUOTE=DrMortician;19216523]Get a real education. The Hague convention is what banned those ammunition types for military use. [editline]04:03PM[/editline] Actually they're pretty cheap, except for the five seven and P90. Those are just for fun anyway, they suck for self defense, just a heads up. And for everyone that thinks the military SS190 is better than the civilian ammunitions... You're a jackass, it doesn't penetrate any deeper or yaw any better.* It's IDENTICAL to the SS195LF aside from having a steel penetrator which makes it [b]moderately[/b] better at piercing armor vests. The SS195LF will get through any vest that the average police officer will have, so for civilian purposes it's just as good. And yes, I realize how politically incorrect that sounds, but I'm just telling you how it is. (While police are normally issued vests with plate carriers these days, almost no cop is willing to use their plate, so that level rating is pointless.) *The FBI demands a minimum of 12" of penetration in ballistic gel. NO FACTORY LOADED 5.7x28mm meets this requirement. Look into an FNP9, it's basically just a cheaper sig. [url]http://www.impactguns.com/store/818513003063.html[/url] [img]http://www.impactguns.com/store/media/fn/fn_17127.jpg[/img] Beats a glock in every way, preferences aside. [editline]04:17PM[/editline] They were around a grand, now they're around $600.[/QUOTE] Fuck, for some reason I always mix up those two conventions. And you didn't have to be such a dick about it...

[QUOTE=mugofdoom;19243333] Here's the same gun: [url]http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Romanian_PSL-54C_7.62x54R_Rifle.html[/url] $580 Mmk?[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.centerfiresystems.com/DRA-GUN-B.aspx[/url] Mmk? Aimsurplus is ripping people off oh no! Also, compare their glock, sig, H&K, and FNH prices to other retailers. And then check back with me. Imported stuff is always subject to different pricing due to when they got shipments of it. If they paid $700+ at the time per gun, they're not going to take a loss on it. So any that's left are going to be sold for a profit regardless what other companies who got more recent shipments can manage. [editline]10:19PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Glitch360;19243367]Fuck, for some reason I always mix up those two conventions. And you didn't have to be such a dick about it...[/QUOTE] Everyone says it's the Geneva convention. So it gets annoying very quickly when someone starts quoting inaccurate information over again.

[QUOTE=DrMortician;19243377][url]http://www.centerfiresystems.com/DRA-GUN-B.aspx[/url] Mmk? Aimsurplus is ripping people off oh no! Also, compare their glock, sig, H&K, and FNH prices to other retailers. And then check back with me. Imported stuff is always subject to different pricing due to when they got shipments of it. If they paid $700+ at the time per gun, they're not going to take a loss on it. So any that's left are going to be sold for a profit regardless what other companies who got more recent shipments can manage.[/QUOTE] That guns kinda missing the scope, cleaning kit, sling and extra magazine. It doesn't really matter to me why they're selling it for the prices that they're selling it at, it only matters that they're selling it at that price. I don't really think they rip people off, I just think they tend to overprice certain things, and those certain things are the only things I look at, AK's, surplus rifles, occasionally tacticool rifles (their FNH prices aren't that great either, they've got a PS90 for $2,100 simply because it's black, the green one is $290 cheaper), etc and I always see things for much more than I usually do.

[QUOTE=mugofdoom;19243687]That guns kinda missing the scope, cleaning kit, sling and extra magazine. It doesn't really matter to me why they're selling it for the prices that they're selling it at, it only matters that they're selling it at that price. I don't really think they rip people off, I just think they tend to overprice certain things, and those certain things are the only things I look at, AK's, surplus rifles, occasionally tacticool rifles (their FNH prices aren't that great either, they've got a PS90 for $2,100 simply because it's black, the green one is $290 cheaper), etc and I always see things for much more than I usually do.[/QUOTE] Some people don't know all that much about guns, so gun dealers tend to overprice them to fool them. From what I have seen, it's better to buy online than in stores, depending on where you live. For example, a store near me sells the PS-90 triple rail for about 2.2 grand. [url]www.impactguns.com[/url] sells it for 1.7 grand...

[QUOTE=Glitch360;19243968]Some people don't know all that much about guns, so gun dealers tend to overprice them to fool them. From what I have seen, it's better to buy online than in stores, depending on where you live. For example, a store near me sells the PS-90 triple rail for about 2.2 grand. [url]www.impactguns.com[/url] sells it for 1.7 grand...[/QUOTE] Yeah, you can even get them for around $1.5k. Or you used to.

What gets me pissed off are retards who get their firearms information from video games (i.e. omg m4 is best gun evar), and 12 year old airsofters that think they know oh-so-much just because they have a tacticool gun that cost them $400..... /rant

[QUOTE=Glitch360;19244131]What gets me pissed off are retards who get their firearms information from video games (i.e. omg m4 is best gun evar), and 12 year old airsofters that think they know oh-so-much just because they have a tacticool gun that cost [B]their moms[/B] $400..... /rant[/QUOTE] fix'd Theres this fucker who hangs out at the coffee shop in my town allot, who thinks hes the shit because he plays airsoft and classifies his 400$ m4 airsoft gun as "the first gun he's ever shot", it pisses me off.

[QUOTE=Zatharon;19244528]fix'd Theres this fucker who hangs out at the coffee shop in my town allot, who thinks hes the shit because he plays airsoft and classifies his 400$ m4 airsoft gun as "the first gun he's ever shot", it pisses me off.[/QUOTE] steal it and repeatedly shoot him in the face with it

[QUOTE=DrMortician;19216523]Get a real education. The Hague convention is what banned those ammunition types for military use. [editline]04:03PM[/editline] Actually they're pretty cheap, except for the five seven and P90. Those are just for fun anyway, they suck for self defense, just a heads up. And for everyone that thinks the military SS190 is better than the civilian ammunitions... You're a jackass, it doesn't penetrate any deeper or yaw any better.* It's IDENTICAL to the SS195LF aside from having a steel penetrator which makes it [b]moderately[/b] better at piercing armor vests. The SS195LF will get through any vest that the average police officer will have, so for civilian purposes it's just as good. And yes, I realize how politically incorrect that sounds, but I'm just telling you how it is. (While police are normally issued vests with plate carriers these days, almost no cop is willing to use their plate, so that level rating is pointless.) *The FBI demands a minimum of 12" of penetration in ballistic gel. NO FACTORY LOADED 5.7x28mm meets this requirement. Look into an FNP9, it's basically just a cheaper sig. [url]http://www.impactguns.com/store/818513003063.html[/url] [img]http://www.impactguns.com/store/media/fn/fn_17127.jpg[/img] Beats a glock in every way, preferences aside. [editline]04:17PM[/editline] They were around a grand, now they're around $600.[/QUOTE] Ha, the picture of the handgun is from my hometown!

You know those sights that come on most H&K rifles? The rotating peep-sight? I don't know the exact name, so don't bash me here. But do they account for range as the little circle gets smaller and smaller? It doesn't seem like it does...

[QUOTE=Thomas849;19247175]You know those sights that come on most H&K rifles? The rotating peep-sight? I don't know the exact name, so don't bash me here. But do they account for range as the little circle gets smaller and smaller? It doesn't seem like it does...[/QUOTE] Pretty sure it does.

Never understood that. Oh-well. Thanks.

[QUOTE=mugofdoom;19224219]FUCK ImpactGuns. Go on Gunbroker, you'll save yourself $1000.[/QUOTE] jgsales imo, save 2000

[QUOTE=Idi Amin;19259192]jgsales imo, save 2000[/QUOTE] Umm, no. They have them listed for $1,970. I just bought mine for $1,050.

[QUOTE=Thomas849;19247175]You know those sights that come on most H&K rifles? The rotating peep-sight? I don't know the exact name, so don't bash me here. But do they account for range as the little circle gets smaller and smaller? It doesn't seem like it does...[/QUOTE] They're called diopter sights if you were curious. But yea, each hole in the dial is for a different range. I've never used them, but if they don't seem any different in size that doesn't necessarily mean anything. They're offset a bit to adjust for trajectory over range. [editline]05:03PM[/editline] [QUOTE=mugofdoom;19243687]That guns kinda missing the scope, cleaning kit, sling and extra magazine. It doesn't really matter to me why they're selling it for the prices that they're selling it at, it only matters that they're selling it at that price. I don't really think they rip people off, I just think they tend to overprice certain things, and those certain things are the only things I look at, AK's, surplus rifles, occasionally tacticool rifles (their FNH prices aren't that great either, they've got a PS90 for $2,100 simply because it's black, the green one is $290 cheaper), etc and I always see things for much more than I usually do.[/QUOTE] But you're still entirely wrong. [url]http://www.gunforall.com/shopcart/mcartfree/product.asp?intProdID=117128[/url] FNP9 being sold for $669.00 [url]http://www.impactguns.com/store/818513003063.html[/url] Where as impact guns has it for $458.99 On average, they're considerably cheaper than other vendors. ESPECIALLY local shops. I use them as a base for estimating market prices.

[QUOTE=DrMortician;19259714]But you're still entirely wrong. [url]http://www.gunforall.com/shopcart/mcartfree/product.asp?intProdID=117128[/url] FNP9 being sold for $669.00 [url]http://www.impactguns.com/store/818513003063.html[/url] Where as impact guns has it for $458.99 On average, they're considerably cheaper than other vendors. ESPECIALLY local shops. I use them as a base for estimating market prices.[/QUOTE] Hmm, okay, you're right. I still say their surplus guns are way overpriced though, $900 for a PSL just isn't reasonable, and it never was. [editline]04:53PM[/editline] Oh by the way: [url]http://www.ableammo.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=83032[/url] $457.68 :smug:

[QUOTE=mugofdoom;19260968] Oh by the way: [url]http://www.ableammo.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=83032[/url] $457.68 :smug:[/QUOTE] It's black, not stainless, it's only $1 cheaper, and it's not even available for purchase.

[QUOTE=DrMortician;19261172]It's black, not stainless, it's only $1 cheaper, and it's not even available for purchase.[/QUOTE] Excuses, excuses.

Fuck it all, just buy this: [IMG]http://i48.tinypic.com/27y3nlf.png[/IMG]

Looking into buy a FAL styled rifle. Anyone have any experience with them? [url]http://www.floridagunworks.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=FG&Product_Code=948&Category_Code=FIREARMS+R+AMR+FAL[/url] Looking at buying the model above.

[QUOTE=DrMortician;19261289]Fuck it all, just buy this: [IMG]http://i48.tinypic.com/27y3nlf.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] I hate myself for it, but I actually REALLY REALLY want that.

[QUOTE=dvsilverwing;19261414]Looking into buy a FAL styled rifle. Anyone have any experience with them? [url]http://www.floridagunworks.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=FG&Product_Code=948&Category_Code=FIREARMS+R+AMR+FAL[/url] Looking at buying the model above.[/QUOTE] Check it out and see how you like it... There's really not much that can't be done to those rifles in the event it doesn't run right. You can completely rebuild it from the ground up with just about any gun magazine.

[QUOTE=Timebomb757;19261477]I hate myself for it, but I actually REALLY REALLY want that.[/QUOTE] What even more disturbing is that I thought it was fake... [url]http://www.stoegerindustries.com/firearms/stoeger_double_defense.php[/url]

[QUOTE=dvsilverwing;19261414]Looking into buy a FAL styled rifle. Anyone have any experience with them? [url]http://www.floridagunworks.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=FG&Product_Code=948&Category_Code=FIREARMS+R+AMR+FAL[/url] Looking at buying the model above.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I built one. It exploded. [editline]05:22PM[/editline] Though to be fair, it was a really shitty, cheap kit built on an equally cheap receiver. Plus I was lazy with the headspace. Kind of dug my own grave with that one, but I ended up selling it for a minor profit, so oh well.

[QUOTE=Timebomb757;19261577]What even more disturbing is that I thought it was fake... [url]http://www.stoegerindustries.com/firearms/stoeger_double_defense.php[/url][/QUOTE] Silly Turkish firearm companies. Geardos want their shotguns to be pump-action at the very least. What's funnier though is that there's an American company that makes a tacticool SINGLE-shot. Well it's an accessory kit for a gun, but still. [img]http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/ros4100-01-large.jpg[/img] [QUOTE=mugofdoom;19261588]Yeah, I built one. It exploded. [editline]05:22PM[/editline] Though to be fair, it was a really shitty, cheap kit built on an equally cheap receiver. Plus I was lazy with the headspace. Kind of dug my own grave with that one, but I ended up selling it for a minor profit, so oh well.[/QUOTE] How the hell did you sell a rifle that exploded? How the hell did you come out even, let alone make a profit?

[QUOTE=Bean-O;19261657]Silly Turkish firearm companies. Geardos want their shotguns to be pump-action at the very least. What's funnier though is that there's an American company that makes a tacticool SINGLE-shot. Well it's an accessory kit for a gun, but still. [img]http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/ros4100-01-large.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] It looks like they glued that M16 handgaurd on there. Poorly.

Funny thing about that kit. It costs 50 bucks, which is about half what the gun it attaches to costs.

[QUOTE=Bean-O;19261657]How the hell did you sell a rifle that exploded? How the hell did you come out even, let alone make a profit?[/QUOTE] The parts were pretty much fine, I just took it all apart and sold it as a parts kit and sold the receiver separately. Keep in mind this was a really cheap kit to begin with.

Alright guys, I've come to a fork in the road. I have to decide between 2 firearms, both being Semi-Automatic .308's. An HK91 clone: [url]http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=151892383#PIC[/url] Or an FAL R1A1: [url]http://www.floridagunworks.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=FG&Product_Code=948&Category_Code=FIREARMS+R+AMR+FAL[/url] Any advice?

[QUOTE=Bean-O;19261764]Funny thing about that kit. It costs 50 bucks, which is about half what the gun it attaches to costs.[/QUOTE] That kit is like putting a $1,000 dress on a fat woman. The dress might look nice, but underneath there's still a fat woman. [editline]05:42PM[/editline] [QUOTE=dvsilverwing;19261939]Alright guys, I've come to a fork in the road. I have to decide between 2 firearms, both being Semi-Automatic .308's. An HK91 clone: [url]http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=151892383#PIC[/url] Or an FAL R1A1: [url]http://www.floridagunworks.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=FG&Product_Code=948&Category_Code=FIREARMS+R+AMR+FAL[/url] Any advice?[/QUOTE] I'd take the FAL personally.