[QUOTE=mugofdoom;19280851]I have never seen an AK go that high.
Average price for an automatic, registered AK is $10K to $15K, if one goes for $30K, it must be really fucking special.
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The most expensive one is the Korean one for $20,000, and those are very rare. Same goes for the AKS 47U.[/QUOTE]
All of those are clones, that's why they don't cost $30k. Actual Ak-47s that were made in Russia are the ones that would cost $30,000+ because of their rarity.
[QUOTE=Glitch360;19281366]All of those are clones, that's why they don't cost $30k. Actual Ak-47s that were made in Russia are the ones that would cost $30,000+ because of their rarity.[/QUOTE]
Meh, he said AKs, those are AKs. Never seen a Russian AK for sale actually.
[QUOTE=mugofdoom;19281694]Meh, he said AKs, those are AKs. Never seen a Russian AK for sale actually.[/QUOTE]
Me neither, probably because of their rarity. Actual Soviet-era weapons are expensive and hard to find these days. Well at least Dragunov SVD and AK-47 are...
[QUOTE=Bean-O;19271313]So long as you start with a .22 :v:
And so long as you don't kill no body that don't need killin'.[/QUOTE]
My first gun was a .303
Skip step A and punch yourself in the balls.
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[QUOTE=evilking1;19277350]Europe is not a country.[/QUOTE]
it's a police state
[QUOTE=dvsilverwing;19281147]I disagree, I'm living in the suburbs outside of Baltimore and have no trouble acquiring any firearms at all. Almost every outdoors store or sporting goods store carries them, and there are gunsmiths and shop that specifically sell firearms dotted everywhere. Hell, if you cross the bay bridge they are everywhere (although I'm scared of the shore billys they have over there).[/QUOTE]
They have all sorts of nitpicking bullshit laws against guns.
For example, 10 round limit on all handguns, 20 for rifles...
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[QUOTE=mugofdoom;19281694]Meh, he said AKs, those are AKs. Never seen a Russian AK for sale actually.[/QUOTE]
Just because you haven't seen it doesn't make me wrong.
Sorry.
[QUOTE=DrMortician;19283819]They have all sorts of nitpicking bullshit laws against guns.
For example, 10 round limit on all handguns, 20 for rifles...
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Just because you haven't seen it doesn't make me wrong.
Sorry.[/QUOTE]
Didn't think of Russian AK's actually. Still doubt they go for any more than $20,000 though, that Korean AK is just as rare.
[QUOTE=mugofdoom;19284041]Didn't think of Russian AK's actually. Still doubt they go for any more than $20,000 though, that Korean AK is just as rare.[/QUOTE]
Well lets just say this.
Almost any decent registered/transferable AK is going to cost about as much as a new car.
And be done with it.
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Father Grigori's famous Annabelle. Is it an actual gun (not with that spesific name)? It's pretty damn good at killing zombies.
[QUOTE=DrMortician;19284117]Well lets just say this.
Almost any decent registered/transferable AK is going to cost about as much as a new car.
And be done with it.[/QUOTE]
A'ight.
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Father Grigori's famous Annabelle. Is it an actual gun (not with that spesific name)? It's pretty damn good at killing zombies.[/QUOTE]
Some kind of Winchester lever action.
The model is fucking terrible.
The Anabelle is a minor fuckup.
The Half-Life franchise has a great story, great level design, great characters, but the devs just don't understand how guns work. The model of that weapon is that of a lever action rifle. Fair enough. But it has the performance characteristics of an over/under shotgun.
Why?
Because the devs looked at the magazine tube and mistook it for a second barrel, then jumped to the conclusion that it's an OU gun. This would have been fine in a beta, which I believe the original weapon model is supposed to be for. It is so shoddy I honestly think it was meant as a holdover. But they never really addressed this mistake.
It is an over/under shotgun with a lever-action rifle model.
Not the first time Valve made this mistake either. In HL1 the SPAS (which shouldn't have been there because it is a pretty rare weapon to begin with) has a secondary fire option to fire both barrels.
It only has one.
Now this can be explained by stating that Gordon could have set it in semi-auto and fired two shots really fast. But he didn't. He fires both barrels at the same time and it says that he does so in the game itself. This is the first time that Valve mistook a magazine tube for a second barrel. They did the exact same thing with the same shotgun in HL2.
Beyond that the SMG1 has no obvious accommodation for shooting grenades. In CSS you pull the forward assist out of the M4, which is impossible. Stuff like that.
[QUOTE=Bean-O;19284998]The Anabelle is a colossal fuckup.
The Half-Life franchise has a great story, great level design, great characters, but the devs just don't understand how guns work. The model of that weapon is that of a lever action rifle. Fair enough. But it has the performance characteristics of an over/under shotgun.
Why?
Because the devs looked at the magazine tube and mistook it for a second barrel, then jumped to the conclusion that it's an OU gun. This would have been fine in a beta, which I believe the original weapon model is supposed to be for. It is so shoddy I honestly think it was meant as a holdover. But they never really addressed this mistake.
It is an over/under shotgun with a lever-action rifle model.
Not the first time Valve made this mistake either. In HL1 the SPAS (which shouldn't have been there because it is a pretty rare weapon to begin with) has a secondary fire option to fire both barrels.
It only has one.
Now this can be explained by stating that Gordon could have set it in semi-auto and fired two shots really fast. But he didn't. He fires both barrels at the same time and it says that he does so in the game itself. This is the first time that Valve mistook a magazine tube for a second barrel. They did the exact same thing with the same shotgun in HL2.
Beyond that the SMG1 has no obvious accommodation for shooting grenades. In CSS you pull the forward assist out of the M4, which is impossible. Stuff like that.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, some games make mistakes with firearms whilst making them. One of the biggest that annoys me is that shotguns are practically useless beyond ten feet, when the typical range is about 40-45 metres...
That's one thing I discussed in one of my old threads.
True, shotguns do have a lot of cons, but video games do sometimes make them underpowered. Either the damage dealt by each pellet is way too low or the spread is way too large for the weapon to be useful. In some games it is essentially a melee weapon with a limited ammo count.
Because if shotguns were put into games with the same level of effectiveness as in real life, they would be the only weapons ever getting used.
Rarely in any kind of game do you encounter battles at 50-300m that the typical assault rifle is intended for. It's almost always close quarters fighting.
What really pisses me off is the ineffectiveness of handguns in most games. If you shoot someone a couple times in the chest with a 45, they're not going to keep walking.
And if they're wearing body armor, even if you empty a magazine into them, it should have very little effect... When you actually kill them in most games.
And snipour-battles are mostly nonscoping around / seeing the opponents nosehairs through the scope.
We just practically described Counter-Strike and Battlefield 2...
[QUOTE=DrMortician;19278687]You don't know what you're talking about.
At point blank range it still won't provide enough penetration to achieve any level of "stopping power."
[b]Pain is not stopping power.[/b]
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How likely do you think it is that the person will continue their attack once they have been hit with birdshot? Its not like a .22, that you may not even notice. And dont forget about the light recoil of birdshot, which would allow for quick follow up shots.
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If you found it necessary, you could even load a round of birdshot in the breech, and have something heavier as a second round, if the attacker keeps coming. Another bonus of a shotguns round versatility.
[QUOTE=Timebomb757;19289652]How likely do you think it is that the person will continue their attack once they have been hit with birdshot? Its not like a .22, that you may not even notice. And dont forget about the light recoil of birdshot, which would allow for quick follow up shots.
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If you found it necessary, you could even load a round of birdshot in the breech, and have something heavier as a second round, if the attacker keeps coming. Another bonus of a shotguns round versatility.[/QUOTE]
You're gonna notice a .22 penetrating your flesh...
[QUOTE=mugofdoom;19290190]You're gonna notice a .22 penetrating your flesh...[/QUOTE]
Unless your some sort of terminator :ssh:
[QUOTE=Neddy;19290316]Unless your some sort of terminator :ssh:[/QUOTE]
Or just high on combat adrenaline. Soldiers have been hit with larger rounds and reported not feeling the pain until a few seconds after they've been hit.
[QUOTE=DrMortician;19285312]Because if shotguns were put into games with the same level of effectiveness as in real life, they would be the only weapons ever getting used.
Rarely in any kind of game do you encounter battles at 50-300m that the typical assault rifle is intended for. It's almost always close quarters fighting.
What really pisses me off is the ineffectiveness of handguns in most games. If you shoot someone a couple times in the chest with a 45, they're not going to keep walking.
And if they're wearing body armor, even if you empty a magazine into them, it should have very little effect... When you actually kill them in most games.[/QUOTE]
Red Orchestra.
[QUOTE=Timebomb757;19289652]How likely do you think it is that the person will continue their attack once they have been hit with birdshot? Its not like a .22, that you may not even notice. And dont forget about the light recoil of birdshot, which would allow for quick follow up shots.
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If you found it necessary, you could even load a round of birdshot in the breech, and have something heavier as a second round, if the attacker keeps coming. Another bonus of a shotguns round versatility.[/QUOTE]
To the best of my understanding, US law tends to consider a firearm lethal force, regardless of what you put in it. If you shoot someone with birdshot specifically not to kill them, you used lethal force (A gun) when you didn't think lethal force was justified (As evidenced by your use of birdshot). You are now in deep shit.
Load something else, and shoot to kill. If they live, great, please don't shoot them again unless they're somehow still putting your life or limb at risk. I don't think birdshot is the answer to anything but birds, though. After all, if you doubt it's ability to go through drywall and do damage on the other side, what is it going to do to skin, muscle, and organs?
[QUOTE=DrMortician;19285312]And if they're wearing body armor, even if you empty a magazine into them, it should have very little effect...[/QUOTE]
This is assuming every round hits their armor, which for the most part will just be covering their center mass.
What some games like to do is make armour some magical shield covering your entire body.
[QUOTE=mugofdoom;19284290]A'ight.
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Some kind of Winchester lever action.
The model is fucking terrible.[/QUOTE]
Winchester Model 1894
[QUOTE=Carnotite;19292101] I don't think birdshot is the answer to anything but birds, though. After all, if you doubt it's ability to go through drywall and do damage on the other side, what is it going to do to skin, muscle, and organs?[/QUOTE]
It's not necessarily what it'l actually do to your body, but what it'll do to your nervous system. Getting hit with a hundred or so tiny pellets is going to cause your body to feel like it's on fire and tell your brain that something very bad just happened. You are more likely to die from going into shock than from the actual shot penetrating your body and ripping your organs apart.
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;19293081]It's not necessarily what it'l actually do to your body, but what it'll do to your nervous system. Getting hit with a hundred or so tiny pellets is going to cause your body to feel like it's on fire and tell your brain that something very bad just happened. You are more likely to die from going into shock than from the actual shot penetrating your body and ripping your organs apart.[/QUOTE]
Pain is psychological, it has [b][i][u]NOTHING[/u][/i][/b] to do with stopping power. Especially since not all people feel the same pain and in a combat situation their adrenaline will be pumping; for all you know they won't even notice that blood-gushing shallow wound on them until much later on. Putting a hole through their major organs has a much higher guarantee of actually incapacitating or killing them IMMEDIATELY.
Oh and having a a projectile punch a hole through you violently, compressing and tearing your flesh in the progress fucks with your nervous system much worse than some tiny pellets poking a couple inches into your flesh.
Going into shock doesn't kill you, either.
[QUOTE=Loen;19294312]Pain is psychological, it has [b][i][u]NOTHING[/u][/i][/b] to do with stopping power.
Oh and having a a projectile punch a hole through you violently, compressing and tearing your flesh in the progress fucks with your nervous system much worse than some tiny pellets poking 2 inches into your flesh.
Going into shock doesn't kill you, either.
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The question wasn't stopping power, it was what would it do to a person. Granted a slug will tear a good size hole in you, getting hit with a nice spread of bird shot fucks you up pretty bad non the less.
And as for that pain being psychological part, have you even been kicked in the groin real hard? Ya know where you have the uncontrollable feeling to curl up in a ball as the pain goes throughout your entire body? That's all "in your head" but it doesn't stop you from doing it now does it? just because it's in your head doesn't mean it has no effect on your physical body.
On the contrary, shock is what almost always kills you. When you die of blood loss, you don't die from the physical loss of blood but from the shock that it induces.
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;19294452]The question wasn't stopping power, it was what would it do to a person. Granted a slug will tear a good size hole in you, getting hit with a nice spread of bird shot fucks you up pretty bad non the less.
And as for that pain being psychological part, have you even been kicked in the groin real hard? Ya know where you have the uncontrollable feeling to curl up in a ball as the pain goes throughout your entire body? That's all "in your head" but it doesn't stop you from doing it now does it? just because it's in your head doesn't mean it has no effect on your physical body.
On the contrary, shock is what almost always kills you. When you die of blood loss, you don't die from the physical loss of blood but from the shock that it induces.[/QUOTE]
Re-read my post
Oh and that's cardiovascular shock, not the psychological state of shock.
[QUOTE=Loen;19294524]Re-read my post
Oh and that's cardiovascular shock, not the psychological state of shock.[/QUOTE]
Why on earth would I be talking about an acute stress reaction? And yes Circulatory [b]shock[/b] can be brought about be being hit with bird shot. Bird shot does go through skin and tissue, and depending on how close you are may go through certain parts of the body.
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;19294779]Why on earth would I be talking about an acute stress reaction? And yes Circulatory [b]shock[/b] can be brought about be being hit with bird shot. Bird shot does go through skin and tissue, and depending on how close you are may go through certain parts of the body.[/QUOTE]
There aren't too many major blood vessels near the surface of your skin. Lets say your assailant is having an adrenaline high, you shoot him with birdshot. This causes a very nasty wound, although it's very shallow and only causes minimal bloodloss and muscular tissue damage. Because of this; he isn't affected by it and responds by shooting back at you.
Even if he runs off he could potentially survive and bring you into court making false claims. A dead man can't sue though.
you guys are all idiots... Guns fire like this
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