[QUOTE=Zatharon;19328624]At close range it wont matter as much, and I can 100% guarantee you that a .380 shot at close range will penetrate more than enough to put someone down, especially with multiple shots on target, which would be the primary advantage of using a low power 9mm, being able to shoot accurately multiple times quicker.[/QUOTE]
I will grant your point about control-ability, but history and science both show that .380 is not [i]consistently[/i] effective as a manstopper. .22LR can and has also killed people and animals, but you don't go deer hunting with a .22. I said it before, and I'll say it again, no man in a firefight ever wished he had a smaller gun of lesser caliber that held fewer bullets.
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[QUOTE=EurofanBMW;19329151]Also, I don't aggree with people who say, "bIrDsHoT DosNt WoRk". It can EASILY penetrate. In fact, birdshot can easily KILL a person.[/QUOTE]
[url=http://www.beloblog.com/ProJo_Blogs/shenews/images/whit-400.jpg]Like that guy Dick Cheney shot, right?[/url]
[QUOTE=professional;19321750]This will probably crawl up the ass of many here, but you know what's a far better investment for home defense than a firearm? A trained protection dog.
Here's why:
A) Deterrent. You don't keep your firearms in plain view. A large aggressive dog poses a psychological threat.
B) Alarm and control. A dog can simultaneously isolate and alert you to the position of a threat inside of your house.
C) Iniative and ferocity. A trained protection dog has both these qualities, qualities that win fights. While most humans will "freeze" when placed in a fight or flight situation for the first time, a trained dog will not. As such, they will always take the iniative.
Besides if you have a family, the dog will make a great pet. Contrary to popular belief protection dogs aren't devoid of personality or playfulness. They can however, be high tension. Combine with a smart firearm decision, and you've got a solid home protection investment.[/QUOTE]
but if the guy who just broke into your house shoots the dog, then wtf are you going to do then? Throw a book at him? I think i would preffer a gun over a dog because nothing gets a robber out of your house like a bigass fucking spas-12 autoshotty or a mossberg 935. So, in the battle against the robber with the glock 9, i would rather a 12-gauge that shoots out a hugeass chunk of lead rather than a dog that bites with 200 pounds of force. And i wouldnt have my gun hidden, i would have that bitch in plain sight with a siren thing on my front door so that i would have both a gun and a startled crook with me. And trust me, i dont miss when i have the pressure of battle on me. I fucking thrive on insanity!
[QUOTE=russianshephard;19334332]but if the guy who just broke into your house shoots the dog, then wtf are you going to do then? Throw a book at him? I think i would preffer a gun over a dog because nothing gets a robber out of your house like a bigass fucking spas-12 autoshotty or a mossberg 935. So, in the battle against the robber with the glock 9, i would rather a 12-gauge that shoots out a hugeass chunk of lead rather than a dog that bites with 200 pounds of force. And i wouldnt have my gun hidden, i would have that bitch in plain sight with a siren thing on my front door so that i would have both a gun and a startled crook with me. And trust me, i dont miss when i have the pressure of battle on me. I fucking thrive on insanity![/QUOTE]
Whats a Glock 9? Never heard of it. Unless you meant 19..WTF?
[QUOTE=EurofanBMW;19334652]Whats a Glock 9? Never heard of it. Unless you meant 19..WTF?[/QUOTE]
He probably meant a Glock in 9mm, which could be a Glock 17, 18,19 and some others I don't remember. Basically he's talking about a typical "gangsta"
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[QUOTE=russianshephard;19334332]But if the guy who just broke into your house shoots the dog, then what are you going to do? Throw a book at him? I think I would prefer a gun over a dog because nothing gets a robber out of your house like a big-ass fucking Spas-12 or a Mossberg 935. So, in the battle against the robber with a Glock 9mm, I would rather have a 12-gauge that shoots out deadly lead rather than a dog that bites with 200 pounds of force. And I wouldn't have my gun hidden, I would have it in plain sight with an alarm on my front door so that I would have both a gun and a startled crook with me. And trust me, I don't miss when I have the pressure of battle on me. I fucking thrive on insanity![/QUOTE]
Fixed.
So we went to a gun/outdoor store and went searching for a Mosin Nagant. We didn't find one, but I did see more guns in once place than I ever have before. Some of the notable ones I saw were a Kar98k, Desert Eagle ($900 hahaha), a revolver at least a foot and a half long ($2000 or so. Yes, $2000), a few 50 caliber rifles, an MP5 that shoots 22s (we might get one because it's cheap) and lots of others.
Must have been at least a thousand different guns there. The only other gunstore I've been to only has about 50 rifles and 30-40 pistols.
Edit:
To below post: $400-500, I couldn't see the tag, but that's how much it goes for other places.
How much was the "mp5"
[QUOTE=DrMortician;19322133]Except for dealing with everything else that comes along with pet ownership.
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You don't listen very well.
Oh well, when you have some punny kid stab you to death after you shoot him with bird shot... Oh wait, you can't talk if you're dead.
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What did you do to that poor 10/22?
That almost brought tears to my eyes... Damn man....
This is how you're supposed to customize a 10/22:
[img]http://www.1022.ca/StockDup/march10/Canadian_Custom_Ruger_10_22_1975_s.JPG[/img]
It's not an AR15 tacticool rifle, stop pretending that it is.
Also, pistol grip on a mossberg is WORTHLESS. You can't access the safety. It's fine on a remington but not a mossberg. Get a proper stock on that shotgun so you can actually use it.
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I just want to let you know, #4 buckshot is still acceptable for home defense if there's a possibility of over penetration being a problem. #4 is still .22 caliber
As for your recommendation on 9mm, yea, sure. But only in +p+ loadings. It'll come very close to a .357 magnum in muzzle energy, believe it or not.[/QUOTE]
Haha have you ever heard of a Run and Gun? Why the hell would I want a huge ass scope on the gun? Red dot is easier to get on target while on the move. Access the safety? Why have the safety on? Its for home defense, I don't carry my handguns with the safety on. O wait that's right they don't have one, don't rely on a safety rely on good training. Heres an example of a Run and Gun, not the best because he is slow but its an example. [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qu8JeMUox0Y[/url]
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[QUOTE=Newbienice99;19335808]So we went to a gun/outdoor store and went searching for a Mosin Nagant. We didn't find one, but I did see more guns in once place than I ever have before. Some of the notable ones I saw were a Kar98k, Desert Eagle ($900 hahaha), a revolver at least a foot and a half long ($2000 or so. Yes, $2000), a few 50 caliber rifles, an MP5 that shoots 22s (we might get one because it's cheap) and lots of others.
Must have been at least a thousand different guns there. The only other gunstore I've been to only has about 50 rifles and 30-40 pistols.[/QUOTE]
If you have a FFL around you that you can have the gun shipped to these guys always have a nice selection of Nagants. [url]http://www.aimsurplus.com/[/url]
[QUOTE=spitfire3088;19336383]Haha have you ever heard of a Run and Gun? Why the hell would I want a huge ass scope on the gun? Red dot is easier to get on target while on the move. Access the safety? Why have the safety on? Its for home defense, I don't carry my handguns with the safety on. O wait that's right they don't have one, don't rely on a safety rely on good training. Heres an example of a Run and Gun, not the best because he is slow but its an example. [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qu8JeMUox0Y[/url]
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If you have a FFL around you that you can have the gun shipped to these guys always have a nice selection of Nagants. [url]http://www.aimsurplus.com/[/url][/QUOTE]
What do you mean you don't use safety? It's there for a reason; EVERYONE with a gun ALWAYS use safety, no matter how good their training is. People like you are the ones who shouldn't be allowed to own a gun. Also, Run and Gun? What are you, 12? Guns are meant to be accurate, and should be shot in a stationary position unless it is used for defense, i.e. military, police, self-defense, etc. Red dot scopes are also more expensive than your traditional scope.
[QUOTE=Glitch360;19335231]He probably meant a Glock in 9mm, which could be a Glock 17, 18,19 and some others I don't remember. Basically he's talking about a typical "gangsta"
[editline]04:55PM[/editline]
Fixed.[/QUOTE]
Yeah lol, Im just giving him shit. Glock 9x19 models are 17, 19, 26, 18, and 35.
[QUOTE=Glitch360;19336967]What do you mean you don't use safety? It's there for a reason; EVERYONE with a gun ALWAYS use safety, no matter how good their training is. People like you are the ones who shouldn't be allowed to own a gun. Also, Run and Gun? What are you, 12? Guns are meant to be accurate, and should be shot in a stationary position unless it is used for defense, i.e. military, police, self-defense, etc. Red dot scopes are also more expensive than your traditional scope.[/QUOTE]
LMAO How do I use a safety when both my handguns don't have them? Do you have your CHL? I've never met one person that has their CHL that has a safety engaged on their gun while they are carrying. What am I gonna do tell the guy pointing a gun at me a hey wait let me draw my gun and turn my safety off before I can fire. I carry +1 and have for over two years, never had my gun go off. It's called don't act like jackass and respect the gun you don't need a safely mechanism to properly carry a gun. Why trust a safety when you can trust your own thinking/training and having respect for the gun. Also FYI my local range holds Run and Gun events all the time Google it ;) Heres an example [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYt-I3PYYNQ[/url] you can find more on your own.
[QUOTE=Glitch360;19335231]He probably meant a Glock in 9mm, which could be a Glock 17, 18,19 and some others I don't remember. Basically he's talking about a typical "gangsta"
[editline]04:55PM[/editline]
Fixed.[/QUOTE]
why thank you. And yes, i meant typical gangsta. xD
[QUOTE=professional;19321750]This will probably crawl up the ass of many here, but you know what's a far better investment for home defense than a firearm? A trained protection dog.
Here's why:
A) Deterrent. You don't keep your firearms in plain view. A large aggressive dog poses a psychological threat.
B) Alarm and control. A dog can simultaneously isolate and alert you to the position of a threat inside of your house.
C) Iniative and ferocity. A trained protection dog has both these qualities, qualities that win fights. While most humans will "freeze" when placed in a fight or flight situation for the first time, a trained dog will not. As such, they will always take the iniative.
Besides if you have a family, the dog will make a great pet. Contrary to popular belief protection dogs aren't devoid of personality or playfulness. They can however, be high tension. Combine with a smart firearm decision, and you've got a solid home protection investment.[/QUOTE]
Guns don't shit on rugs
[QUOTE=russianshephard;19334332]but if the guy who just broke into your house shoots the dog, then wtf are you going to do then? Throw a book at him? I think i would preffer a gun over a dog because nothing gets a robber out of your house like a [b]bigass fucking spas-12 autoshotty[/b] or a mossberg 935. So, in the battle against the robber with the glock 9, i would rather a 12-gauge that shoots out a hugeass chunk of lead rather than a dog that bites with 200 pounds of force. And i wouldnt have my gun hidden, i would have that bitch in plain sight with a siren thing on my front door so that i would have both a gun and a startled crook with me. And trust me, i dont miss when i have the [b]pressure of battle on me. I fucking thrive on insanity![/b][/QUOTE]
Get the fuck out kid.
[editline]03:11AM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Glitch360;19336967]What do you mean you don't use safety? It's there for a reason; EVERYONE with a gun ALWAYS use safety, no matter how good their training is.[/QUOTE]
Ignore him dude, he probably watched that scene in Black Hawk Down one too many times and think's he a badass because of it. What they failed to show was if that actually happened in real life, the operators would've been told to GTFO base until they can learn to properly secure their weapon.
[QUOTE=professional;19338341]Get the fuck out kid.
[editline]03:11AM[/editline]
Ignore him dude, he probably watched that scene in Black Hawk Down one too many times and think's he a badass because of it. What they failed to show was if that actually happened in real life, the operators would've been told to GTFO base until they can learn to properly secure their weapon.[/QUOTE]
first, im not a kid. im 19 you shitfacecuntlicker. Also, i dont think im badass, i know im badass. EXAMPLE: can you hit the thin edge of a pokefag card with a fucking colt? No, i didnt think so. YOU FAIL.
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[QUOTE=Rundas;19338133]Guns don't shit on rugs[/QUOTE]
yet another reason i dont use a dog for protection. You make a good fucking point. Guns dont shit on rugs. But they do need to cleaned if you use them a lot. >:(
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[QUOTE=Umi-hebi;19328950]The 10-22 was never meant to be a super-ergonomic super-accurate sniper rifle either
Adding an extended clip, a red dot sight, lightening it up and making it easier to handle increases the fun of plinking with a 10/22 in my opinion[/QUOTE]
Uhh... Yes it was.
You can punch out the center of a dime at 100 yards with a properly tuned 10/22.
That's half the fun of owning one of the blasted things.
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[QUOTE=spitfire3088;19336383]Haha have you ever heard of a Run and Gun? Why the hell would I want a huge ass scope on the gun? Red dot is easier to get on target while on the move. Access the safety? Why have the safety on? Its for home defense, I don't carry my handguns with the safety on. O wait that's right they don't have one, don't rely on a safety rely on good training. Heres an example of a Run and Gun, not the best because he is slow but its an example. [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qu8JeMUox0Y[/url]
[/QUOTE]
It's a 10/22....
Why the hell would you want to hang a ton of tacticool bullshit on it that adds weight and makes it harder to shoot? Especially for shooting games.
Not that it really matters, you're just a troll anyway.
[QUOTE=DrMortician;19341223]Uhh... Yes it was.
You can punch out the center of a dime at 100 yards with a properly tuned 10/22.
That's half the fun of owning one of the blasted things.[/QUOTE]
It's made to be what you want it to be that's whats so great about 10/22's the aftermarket parts for them is plentiful.
[editline]11:32PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=DrMortician;19341223]Uhh... Yes it was.
You can punch out the center of a dime at 100 yards with a properly tuned 10/22.
That's half the fun of owning one of the blasted things.
[editline]11:26PM[/editline]
It's a 10/22....
Why the hell would you want to hang a ton of tacticool bullshit on it that adds weight and makes it harder to shoot? Especially for shooting games.
Not that it really matters, you're just a troll anyway.[/QUOTE]
Troll? How am I trolling? Show me whats hanging off my gun, All I see is a red dot an a extended mag. I never knew polymer is heavy seeing how that's what the stock is made out of.
[QUOTE=DrMortician;19341223]Uhh... Yes it was.
You can punch out the center of a dime at 100 yards with a properly tuned 10/22.
That's half the fun of owning one of the blasted things.
.[/QUOTE]
I honestly have more fun just setting up a bunch of cans or something then going [i]crack crack crack crack crack crack[/i]
[QUOTE=russianshephard;19340509]first, im not a kid. im 19 you shitfacecuntlicker. Also, i dont think im badass, i know im badass. EXAMPLE: can you hit the thin edge of a pokefag card with a fucking colt? No, i didnt think so. YOU FAIL.[/QUOTE]
Internet tough guy.
RRRRGH I'M SO BADASS FUCK YOU I CAN HIT A DIME TRAVELING AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF THE UNIVERSE HAAHAHAHA FUCKING FAGGOT LOL FAIL
[QUOTE=russianshephard;19334332]but if the guy who just broke into your house shoots the dog, then wtf are you going to do then? Throw a book at him? I think i would preffer a gun over a dog because nothing gets a robber out of your house like a bigass fucking spas-12 autoshotty or a mossberg 935. So, in the battle against the robber with the glock 9, i would rather a 12-gauge that shoots out a hugeass chunk of lead rather than a dog that bites with 200 pounds of force. And i wouldnt have my gun hidden, i would have that bitch in plain sight with a siren thing on my front door so that i would have both a gun and a startled crook with me. And trust me, i dont miss when i have the pressure of battle on me. I fucking thrive on insanity![/QUOTE]
Wow...SPAS-12? That thing is way worse than what is portrayed in games. Get a 870MCS.
[QUOTE=spitfire3088;19337823]LMAO How do I use a safety when both my handguns don't have them? Do you have your CHL? I've never met one person that has their CHL that has a safety engaged on their gun while they are carrying. What am I gonna do tell the guy pointing a gun at me a hey wait let me draw my gun and turn my safety off before I can fire. I carry +1 and have for over two years, never had my gun go off. It's called don't act like jackass and respect the gun you don't need a safely mechanism to properly carry a gun. Why trust a safety when you can trust your own thinking/training and having respect for the gun. Also FYI my local range holds Run and Gun events all the time Google it ;) Heres an example [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYt-I3PYYNQ[/url] you can find more on your own.[/QUOTE]
Your an idiot. Your two pistols both have a Trigger safety. unless the trigger is pulled properly (with a finger) it won't go off. you should know this if they are your guns.
[QUOTE=BurningPlayd0h;19316946]Anyone else annoyed by the damage and range inconsistencies of guns in the Call of Duty series? An M40 should not double the stopping power of a M14, considering they bot fire 7.62x51. Same with most of the 5.56 weapons.[/QUOTE]
even though they fire the same caliber m40's muzzle velocity is over half more than m14
[QUOTE=Peluri;19348184]even though they fire the same caliber m40's muzzle velocity is over half more than m14[/QUOTE]
Barrel length.
[QUOTE=russianshephard;19334332]but if the guy who just broke into your house shoots the dog, then wtf are you going to do then? Throw a book at him? I think i would preffer a gun over a dog because nothing gets a robber out of your house like a bigass fucking spas-12 autoshotty or a mossberg 935. So, in the battle against the robber with the glock 9, i would rather a 12-gauge that shoots out a hugeass chunk of lead rather than a dog that bites with 200 pounds of force. And i wouldnt have my gun hidden, i would have that bitch in plain sight with a siren thing on my front door so that i would have both a gun and a startled crook with me. And trust me, i dont miss when i have the pressure of battle on me. I fucking thrive on insanity![/QUOTE]
epic fail
I'd love a little M1 Carbine, perhaps with the paratrooper folding-stock.
[QUOTE=evilking1;19336032]How much was the "mp5"[/QUOTE]
Chances are he probably was talking about the GSG-5.
[url]http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.php/commercial-rifles/gsg-rifles/p/gsg-5-22lr-rifle%2C-mp-5-submachine-gun-style%2C-ati-import-new/cPath/209_342_478/products_id/2146[/url]
[QUOTE=$$>MUFFIN<$$;19348238]Barrel length.[/QUOTE]
Barrel length isn't going to contribute that much.
Typically, you can add 100fps for every extra inch of barrel length within a reasonable amount.
[QUOTE=Loen;19344414]Internet tough guy.
RRRRGH I'M SO BADASS FUCK YOU I CAN HIT A DIME TRAVELING AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF THE UNIVERSE HAAHAHAHA FUCKING FAGGOT LOL FAIL[/QUOTE]
does it look like i really care about your shitty opinion? Nope. :smug:
[QUOTE=russianshephard;19351511]does it look like i really care about your shitty opinion? Nope. :smug:[/QUOTE]
Does it look like your not retarded enough to know that you're making yourself look like a fucking idiot? Nope.
[QUOTE=russianshephard;19351511]does it look like i really care about your shitty opinion? Nope. :smug:[/QUOTE]
I'm gona say it again cos i think you missed it
"Your an idiot. Your two pistols both have a Trigger safety. unless the trigger is pulled properly (with a finger) it won't go off. you should know this if they are your guns."
[editline]04:18AM[/editline]
[QUOTE=professional;19351809]Does it look like your not retarded enough to know that you're making yourself look like a fucking idiot? Nope. :smug:[/QUOTE]
you forgot the :smug: ill fix it for you.
[QUOTE=Newbienice99;19335808]So we went to a gun/outdoor store and went searching for a Mosin Nagant. We didn't find one, but I did see more guns in once place than I ever have before. Some of the notable ones I saw were a Kar98k, Desert Eagle ($900 hahaha), a revolver at least a foot and a half long ($2000 or so. Yes, $2000), a few 50 caliber rifles, an MP5 that shoots 22s (we might get one because it's cheap) and lots of others.
To below post: $400-500, I couldn't see the tag, but that's how much it goes for other places.[/QUOTE]
That's a GSG. They're fun but unless you really like MP5s I wouldn't bother. They're popular here in California because the assault weapons ban doesn't apply to guns chambered in .22LR but still I think a 10/22 is a more sound investment.
I can't believe I have seen a person advocating carrying in condition zero... that's like admitting to fucking your grandmother.
[editline]04:20PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Bean-O;19353708]That's a GSG. They're fun but unless you really like MP5s I wouldn't bother. They're popular here in California because the assault weapons ban doesn't apply to guns chambered in .22LR but still I think a 10/22 is a more sound investment.[/QUOTE]
Sound investment or not, I want a GSG. Fuck me, why do I have to be poor?
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