[QUOTE=slinkman;19760630]I may be jumping the gun (lol pun) a bit but I was wondering what a decent first gun would be, I got 2 years till I can purchase one :([/QUOTE]
When you say you have 2 years to wait, are you saying you are 16 or 19? You have to be 18 to buy a rifle and 21 to buy a handgun.
It also varies depending on the state you live in. On top of that if you live in another country I don't know what the laws are like there.
That said I usually recommend a gun in .22LR to start out with. Very little recoil, cheap ammo, cheap gun, good way to learn the basics. There are plenty of good .22LR rifles and handguns out there to chose from. However if you want a gun for home defense go with either a centerfire handgun (generally 9x19mm and up) or a pump-action 12-gauge. The latter tends to be very inexpensive, with the two most popular shotguns (Remington 870 and Mossberg 500) retailing for 400 and 300$ new for the base models. Discount copies and variants such as the IAC Hawk and Maverick 88 are available for roughly 200$ new.
Although defensive 12 gauge #00 and #4 shot tend to be expensive and when it comes to shotguns any given new shooter needs practice. Not that you could buy a handgun or rifle for defense and never practice with it either.
[QUOTE=Campin Carl;19762280]So a girl I know got 3 Ruger Mini-14 (or 30) rifles for some reasons, and after abit of reasearch I've found that all of three of them were Rugers, because one of them had a stock like this (in mini14/30, not the 10/22, it was just the closest I could find):
[IMG]http://www.parts4ruger1022.com/mm5/graphics/00000001/muzzelite-Ruger_10-22.jpg[/IMG]
How good are these stocks for tacticooliness? And how hard is it to add one on a standard Mini 14?[/QUOTE]
Don't.
That's just a dress-up kit. Looks fine but build quality is hit-or-miss and it usually makes the trigger pull less comfortable. So you'll be spending money to make your gun shoot worse.
K, I'll probably end up picking them apart anyways due to some "legal" issues (like the mag which is 6 times larger than the legal limit) because I'm gonna need spareparts when I'm becoming a gunsmith.
Wait, you live in California and it has a 60 round magazine?
Or do you live in Canada where the maximum capacity is 5 and it's a 30 rounder?
[QUOTE=Bean-O;19768034]Wait, you live in California and it has a 60 round magazine?
Or do you live in Canada where the maximum capacity is 5 and it's a 30 rounder?[/QUOTE]
a 60 round magazine would just be comical (unless it is a drum, if there are even any mini-14 drum mags)
[QUOTE=Bean-O;19768034]Wait, you live in California and it has a 60 round magazine?
Or do you live in Canada where the maximum capacity is 5 and it's a 30 rounder?[/QUOTE]
Norway, mag cap is 4+1(or 3 + 1) for semi-autos
[QUOTE=Campin Carl;19768316]Norway, mag cap is 4+1(or 3 + 1) for semi-autos[/QUOTE]
Europeans sure do love gun control.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan;19768102]a 60 round magazine would just be comical (unless it is a drum, if there are even any mini-14 drum mags)[/QUOTE]
I have seen 90 round drums and 100 round drums for the ol Mini 14.
They're [b]very[/b] expensive.
I hate reading this thread. I was heart set on staying in California for school and settling for a Winchester M70 and a Springfield M1911 when I was of age.
Now, I want to get the fuck out of here and purchase that XCR and a .460 kit for that aforementioned Springfield.
[QUOTE=slinkman;19760630]I may be jumping the gun (lol pun) a bit but I was wondering what a decent first gun would be, I got 2 years till I can purchase one :([/QUOTE]
The sks
The gun works quite well and you can get a good one for $300 and ammo at $8 for 20 (bullets).
Unlike the .22lr this thing will go straight through walls, concrete, and people leaving large exit holes.
[QUOTE=Gubbinz96;19768464]I have seen 90 round drums and 100 round drums for the ol Mini 14.
They're [B]very[/B] expensive.[/QUOTE]
Drum or C-Mag?
[QUOTE=Thomas849;19772827]I hate reading this thread. I was heart set on staying in California for school and settling for a Winchester M70 and a Springfield M1911 when I was of age.
Now, I want to get the fuck out of here and purchase that XCR and a .460 kit for that aforementioned Springfield.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure you can still legally put a .460 kit on a 1911. And you can have an XCR if you don't mind bullet buttons.
As much as I rag on California for being the worst state for gun owners, as it stands now you can still get a few genuinely excellent guns here. My concerns stem mostly from the potential for further regulation down the line and what they're doing to the ammo (ever heard of AB 962?).
If I had a say I'd prioritize on AB962, then the AWB/10 round mag limit, then the registry of safe handguns in that order. The Handgun Roster is strait-up extortion of manufacturers, but it isn't as annoying as the AWB which is about as useless and does even more to fuck with gun owners and AB 962 compromises our ability to buy ammo altogether. At very least it compromises our ability to buy ammo for less than 1$ per shot.
[QUOTE=Bean-O;19774945]I'm pretty sure you can still legally put a .460 kit on a 1911. And you can have an XCR if you don't mind bullet buttons.
As much as I rag on California for being the worst state for gun owners, as it stands now you can still get a few genuinely excellent guns here. My concerns stem mostly from the potential for further regulation down the line and what they're doing to the ammo (ever heard of AB 962?).
If I had a say I'd prioritize on AB962, then the AWB/10 round mag limit, then the registry of safe handguns in that order. The Handgun Roster is strait-up extortion of manufacturers, but it isn't as annoying as the AWB which is about as useless and does even more to fuck with gun owners and AB 962 compromises our ability to buy ammo altogether. At very least it compromises our ability to buy ammo for less than 1$ per shot.[/QUOTE]
I don't get it. Why do they think they should propose these bogus bills? I mean, I understand certain things they try to get rid of (ie. [legit] assault rifles, massive mag caps, explosives, ect.) but button mags? Fucking retarded stocks? Magazine limits? Flash hiders, muzzle comps, certain stocks? Why? It's not like someone who's determined to kill shit won't A) purchase Black Market weapons, or B), figure out a way to bypass these things.
I f they do it to stop gun crime, they seem to be shooting themselves in the foot. The only weapons they don't have many regulations on are high-powered bolt-action rifles that, when coupled with some range time and decent optics, can cause some major problems.
Has anyone had any experience with the bullpup SKS [url=http://www.rifletech.com/bullpup.htm]stock conversion kit[/url]?
I've been thinking about getting it for my Yugo just cause.
[QUOTE=zombiefreak;19774881]Drum or C-Mag?[/QUOTE]
The 90 round drum magazine
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMqhLHbZjj4[/media]
And there is the 100 round magazine, C-Mag I think it is.
Can't find a video of it in action unfortunately.
Content... Got bored and played with the camera some more.
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Can't decide which light set up I like best... They're both about the same brightness wise, the smaller light is a lot more managable though.
They don't let me media tag any more for some reason... So you'll just be clicking a link.
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[QUOTE=CSargeP;19775973]Has anyone had any experience with the bullpup SKS [url=http://www.rifletech.com/bullpup.htm]stock conversion kit[/url]?
I've been thinking about getting it for my Yugo just cause.[/QUOTE]
Where do you put your left hand?
Given that weapon lights tend to be extremely bright and thereby massive power hogs, I'd tend to go with the larger one as it most likely sports a significantly longer lifespan in terms of light.
But yeah it's a bit of extra weight on the end of the rifle, so it really comes down to what you need it for.
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[QUOTE=DrMortician;19777866]
Where do you put your left hand?[/QUOTE]
Why don't be silly, this is a pistol. They both go on the pistol grip. Nevermind the rifle caliber, extreme length, and stock!
[url]http://www.rifletech.com/bullpup001.jpg[/url]
How does anyone think that is a good idea?
[QUOTE=zombiefreak;19756552]You forgot about laws :downs:.
Not all states in America are like Idaho.
You can own an armed tank in Idaho ffs.[/QUOTE]
Wait, is Idaho a very liberal state for guns? 'Cause then I'll change my plans about moving to Texas.
[QUOTE=Campin Carl;19780244]Wait, is Idaho a very liberal state for guns? 'Cause then I'll change my plans about moving to Texas.[/QUOTE]
I know a guy who owns a Ferret with a live gun and several MGs, ranging from a Thompsons to a BAR. Then I own over a dozen guns including one demilled DP-28 that I plan on restoring eventually, including one gun I made myself.
Then when you want to go shooting, you simply drive out away from houses and find a nice open field with a backstop, no need to use a shooting range unless you want to. Idaho isn't very densely populated until you get around Boise. You also get snow in the winter, it's supposed to snow today in fact.
[QUOTE=GunFox;19779068]Given that weapon lights tend to be extremely bright and thereby massive power hogs, I'd tend to go with the larger one as it most likely sports a significantly longer lifespan in terms of light.
But yeah it's a bit of extra weight on the end of the rifle, so it really comes down to what you need it for.
[/QUOTE]
Well the small one has 2 hours of battery life and the large has 8.
The primary purpose of the rifle is mid-extended range, the only reason I have a light on it is for home defence/cqc. The small one is 2oz as well.
Haha though for that big light, I found that a shitty old scope ring works really well for mounting one.
[QUOTE=GunFox;19779068]
Why don't be silly, this is a pistol. They both go on the pistol grip. Nevermind the rifle caliber, extreme length, and stock!
[URL]http://www.rifletech.com/bullpup001.jpg[/URL]
How does anyone think that is a good idea?[/QUOTE]
I died a little inside after seeing that. Looks like something out of the pimp-my-gun thread.
[QUOTE=RR_Raptor65;19781046]I know a guy who owns a Ferret with a live gun and several MGs, ranging from a Thompsons to a BAR. Then I own over a dozen guns including one demilled DP-28 that I plan on restoring eventually, including one gun I made myself.
Then when you want to go shooting, you simply drive out away from houses and find a nice open field with a backstop, no need to use a shooting range unless you want to. Idaho isn't very densely populated until you get around Boise. You also get snow in the winter, it's supposed to snow today in fact.[/QUOTE]
Cool, 'cept for the snow. I'm fucking tired of snow.
I may be inheriting my grandfathers rifles and shotguns soon, but I don't know anything about guns at the moment. One of the ones he has is called a .338 Winchester, and once I'm old enough, I'm getting that for my birthday. Is it a good gun for hunting? (Again, I know nothing about guns)
Does anyone have any information on the new British Army sharpshooter rifles equipping the Para's and Special Forces this month?
It's called the M129A1 and its replacing the L96 and the few SLR's in service as a DMR in the Parachute Regiment. I think its chambered in .308 and is semi automatic with an effective range of 800 metres. I noticed it when reading in the paper about the new ACOG scopes for them having religious inscriptions on them. I think its based on the HK417. Other than that I cant find much on it.
[QUOTE=Pandemix;19783774]I may be inheriting my grandfathers rifles and shotguns soon, but I don't know anything about guns at the moment. One of the ones he has is called a .338 Winchester, and once I'm old enough, I'm getting that for my birthday. Is it a good gun for hunting? (Again, I know nothing about guns)[/QUOTE]
Yes. Read this article on it:
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.338_Winchester_Magnum[/url]
[QUOTE=Pandemix;19783774]I may be inheriting my grandfathers rifles and shotguns soon, but I don't know anything about guns at the moment. One of the ones he has is called a .338 Winchester, and once I'm old enough, I'm getting that for my birthday. Is it a good gun for hunting? (Again, I know nothing about guns)[/QUOTE]
Lol. .338 winchester is a cartridge not a rifle. But if the rifle you are infact speaking of, is chambered in .338 winchester magnum, then yes, it's a very good rifle for hunting..... bears.
Not even joking, it's a round that is known for it's ability to drop a grizzly bears and it's popular with Lion hunters in Africa. Should give you some idea of it's rather overkill performance on smaller game.
Have fun trying to learn how to shoot on a powerhouse cartridge like that.
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[QUOTE=Darkhorse01;19784350]Does anyone have any information on the new British Army sharpshooter rifles equipping the Para's and Special Forces this month?
It's called the M129A1 and its replacing the L96 and the few SLR's in service as a DMR in the Parachute Regiment. I think its chambered in .308 and is semi automatic with an effective range of 800 metres. I noticed it when reading in the paper about the new ACOG scopes for them having religious inscriptions on them. I think its based on the HK417. Other than that I cant find much on it.[/QUOTE]
In a nutshell, it competed with the HK417, won out on accuracy and that's specifically why it was adopted. It's pretty much a rugged-ised target rifle. It's not based on the HK417 at all.
[QUOTE=Pandemix;19783774]I may be inheriting my grandfathers rifles and shotguns soon, but I don't know anything about guns at the moment. One of the ones he has is called a .338 Winchester, and once I'm old enough, I'm getting that for my birthday. Is it a good gun for hunting? (Again, I know nothing about guns)[/QUOTE]
That there is a pretty big cartridge. You're going to have a very hard time learning to shoot if you start out with such a beast. Especially considering that ammo for that thing is 2$ a shot and up. So it will break your shoulder and your wallet. Reloading your own ammo in this case is more or less a must. So you're going to start out with a gun that recoils too much for a new shooter and you're going to have to learn to make your own ammo for it (which runs the risk of having the weapon explode if you don't do it right)
I recommend you invest in a smaller, cheaper rifle to train with before you fire too many rounds through the bigger gun.
As far as first guns go the best advice is a rifle in .22LR. The ammo costs less than 5 cents a shot, there is little to no recoil and very little power. But it is a good starting point if you want to learn the basics. Transitioning from a pea-shooter like that to a .338 might still be a leap so I'd recommend investing an additional 100-200$ in a surplus rifle (Mosin Nagant, SMLE, Mauser) so you can practice shooting a bigger caliber and maybe some reloading. That and surplus 7.62x54mmR (Mosin) and 8mm (Mauser) are relatively affordable if you buy them in bulk. This is mainly to help transition you from a small .22 to the .338 and save you a lot of money on ammo in the meantime. That and if you mess up a surplus rifle (improper cleaning, botched reloading) they aren't worth much to begin with so if you destroy the rifling on a Mosin it isn't as tragic as doing the same on the .338 gun which would cost exponentially more to replace.
Granted, if you mess up reloading on any centerfire rifle it could explode causing serious injury. So don't get careless just because the gun isn't worth much because your health and safety is.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P13JrSQ30-E[/media]
Video of me shooting my AK47 (AMD-65 7.62x39mm Hungarian Assault rifle)
I just bought a Glock 19 9mm compact too and shot it the other day.
PS. I was attempting to bump fire.
Yeah, that .338 is more a rifle you sight in at a range once and only shoot game with afterwards.
If you start out with a rifle that has a heavy recoil, you stand a very high chance of developing a twitch that will ruin your accuracy and shooting experience, and it takes a lot of time and patience to get rid of it. The first two guns I fired were a 1911A1 and an M1903 Springfield, and I was hurting for the next three days thanks to that Springfield and my inexperience.
So Bean-O is absolutely right, start on a .22 whether you like it or not, and move up to a surplus bolt action rifle when you are comfortable shooting the .22, you need confidence in your shooting ability to fire anything heavier.
[QUOTE=Bean-O;19786195]That there is a pretty big cartridge. You're going to have a very hard time learning to shoot if you start out with such a beast. Especially considering that ammo for that thing is 2$ a shot and up. So it will break your shoulder and your wallet. Reloading your own ammo in this case is more or less a must. So you're going to start out with a gun that recoils too much for a new shooter and you're going to have to learn to make your own ammo for it (which runs the risk of having the weapon explode if you don't do it right)
I recommend you invest in a smaller, cheaper rifle to train with before you fire too many rounds through the bigger gun.
As far as first guns go the best advice is a rifle in .22LR. The ammo costs less than 5 cents a shot, there is little to no recoil and very little power. But it is a good starting point if you want to learn the basics. Transitioning from a pea-shooter like that to a .338 might still be a leap so I'd recommend investing an additional 100-200$ in a surplus rifle (Mosin Nagant, SMLE, Mauser) so you can practice shooting a bigger caliber and maybe some reloading. That and surplus 7.62x54mmR (Mosin) and 8mm (Mauser) are relatively affordable if you buy them in bulk. This is mainly to help transition you from a small .22 to the .338 and save you a lot of money on ammo in the meantime. That and if you mess up a surplus rifle (improper cleaning, botched reloading) they aren't worth much to begin with so if you destroy the rifling on a Mosin it isn't as tragic as doing the same on the .338 gun which would cost exponentially more to replace.
Granted, if you mess up reloading on any centerfire rifle it could explode causing serious injury. So don't get careless just because the gun isn't worth much because your health and safety is.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't really say that.
I've shot a .50BMG before at an event. I noticed it was a complete over-hype.
.22LR is like waving your dick. You have to atleast get 9mm or you are a pussy-gun-owner. Personally when I shot my Glock 19 it felt only like a step up from .22LR.
Overall I would Recommend an AR-15 if you can throw in that much money. Maybe a 7.62x39mm AK47 which still uses a pretty decent sized round. The Mosin Nagant isn't a good first gun because of maintenance required on it and it shoots a round nearly twice as big as 7.62x39mm.
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[QUOTE=RR_Raptor65;19786784]Yeah, that .338 is more a rifle you sight in at a range once and only shoot game with afterwards.
If you start out with a rifle that has a heavy recoil, you stand a very high chance of developing a twitch that will ruin your accuracy and shooting experience, and it takes a lot of time and patience to get rid of it. The first two guns I fired were a 1911A1 and an M1903 Springfield, and I was hurting for the next three days thanks to that Springfield and my inexperience.
So Bean-O is absolutely right, start on a .22 whether you like it or not, and move up to a surplus bolt action rifle when you are comfortable shooting the .22, you need confidence in your shooting ability to fire anything heavier.[/QUOTE]
Better yet I can shoot .22LR with my dick. It is like a BB gun.
I wouldn't even waste my time on that shit.
You looking for cheap? SKS 7.62x39mm cheapest shit your gonna get that won't be a bad choice.
[QUOTE=professional;19784407] In a nutshell, it competed with the HK417, won out on accuracy and that's specifically why it was adopted. It's pretty much a rugged-ised target rifle. It's not based on the HK417 at all.[/QUOTE]
Okay, thanks :) I probably misread the paper. The HK417 seems like an odd weapon for the L129 to compete against, the HK417 being a battle rifle and the L129 being a semi automatic DMR for use up to 800 metres.
UKSF do use the 417 though.
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