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[QUOTE=RR_Raptor65;19786784]Yeah, that .338 is more a rifle you sight in at a range once and only shoot game with afterwards. If you start out with a rifle that has a heavy recoil, you stand a very high chance of developing a twitch that will ruin your accuracy and shooting experience, and it takes a lot of time and patience to get rid of it. The first two guns I fired were a 1911A1 and an M1903 Springfield, and I was hurting for the next three days thanks to that Springfield and my inexperience. So Bean-O is absolutely right, start on a .22 whether you like it or not, and move up to a surplus bolt action rifle when you are comfortable shooting the .22, you need confidence in your shooting ability to fire anything heavier.[/QUOTE] Guns aren't something you climb a ladder on. You shoot a gun and you either like it or not. You can start wherever you like. .22LR isn't even a real bullet in my eyes. 5.56x45ACP or 9mm would be the best choice if you really want to play the ladder game. The first gun I shot though was a .44 magnum. Also I don't see how guns 'Hurt you for a long time' I've done pretty retarded things whilst holding them and it never leaves me Soar. Even after I fired massive shit guns. [editline]10:08PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Darkhorse01;19786914]Okay, thanks :) I probably misread the paper. The HK417 seems like an odd weapon for the L129 to compete against, the HK417 being a battle rifle and the L129 being a semi automatic DMR for use up to 800 metres. UKSF do use the 417 though.[/QUOTE] Snip

[QUOTE=Mikhail;19786931]Guns aren't something you climb a ladder on. You shoot a gun and you either like it or not. [b]You can start wherever you like. .22LR isn't even a real bullet in my eyes.[/b] 5.56x45ACP or 9mm would be the best choice if you really want to play the ladder game. The first gun I shot though was a .44 magnum. Also I don't see how guns 'Hurt you for a long time' I've done pretty retarded things whilst holding them and it never leaves me Soar. Even after I fired massive shit guns. [/QUOTE] Well then you're an idiot who has probably only fired guns owned by someone else and you clearly have no respect for guns at all. I own everything from a .22 up to a .75 and everything in between, including a few you've probably never seen fired in person, and own more than a dozen firearms and have fired every single one of them, I know my shit and I maintain that jumping up to a large military caliber for a first gun is a mistake that takes a lot of time to repair. Anyone with a measure of shooting experience will tell you the same.

If you were paying attention to why I was recommending the .22 it's based largely off the low cost of the ammo. 7.62x39mm is very cheap, yes, but .22LR is 4-5 times cheaper still and if you want to learn the basics you should ideally have over a thousand rounds down range. And I recommended the Mosin over the SKS/AK/AR/other intermediate-caliber rifle because it's a bolt-action. That is closer to the weapon he is training to use and it is a more suitable platform than a semi-automatic when it comes to practicing reloading which is another essential skill-set with the .338 due to the cost of the ammo it fires. Can a rifle in an intermediate caliber replace the .22s role? Yes, but it won't be as cheap. Both in terms of the gun and the ammo. Granted a used SKS is within roughly the same price range as a new .22 rifle. So it isn't out of the question. As for a 9mm handgun. No. A useful weapon to be sure, and I highly recommend he buys one eventually. But it is so different from the weapon he's trying to train himself to use that it doesn't fill the role of the .22 rifle very well. A 9mm carbine such as one of those ugly Hi-Point rifles might do the trick and it's in the same general price range. But not a handgun. All thing considered a .22LR/Mosin combo will do the job and all told be the least costly. They don't have the added benefit as doubling for self-defense guns. But he hadn't stated that he wants a gun for that purpose.

[QUOTE=Karbine;19759410]it doesn't complicate it, it just fills the gas tube with a long rod[/QUOTE] A tube with a gas piston, spring, and gas valve is more complicated than a long, hollow tube. And it doesn't fill the tube, that'd be impossible, it completely replaces it.

Going to the range tomorrow. Will post range report when I get home.

[QUOTE=Mikhail;19786832]You looking for cheap? SKS 7.62x39mm cheapest shit your gonna get that won't be a bad choice.[/QUOTE] [img]http://www.typo.org/~web/guns/images/mosin-nagant.jpg[/img] :downs: [editline]08:31PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Mikhail;19786931]Guns aren't something you climb a ladder on. You shoot a gun and you either like it or not. You can start wherever you like. .22LR isn't even a real bullet in my eyes.[/quote] How about you go take a few to the sternum and tell me what you think of it again. [quote]5.56x45ACP or 9mm [/QUOTE] There's no such thing as 5.56x45[B]ACP[/B].

So out of curiosity what did you guys learn to shoot with? I personally learned on my Mosin Nagant, no one in my household was ever real keen on guns except for me, so I saved up and bought one for myself as soon as I turned 18, I had shot before but nothing very extensive, my Mosin was the first thing I ever really got to learn about and get some real range time on, which is probably why I don't always agree with people who say you should start out with a .22lr, I learned on the 7.62x54r, it's a hell of a cartridge and in the Mosin kicks like a bitch, but because of that nothing I've shot since has given me any problem at all as far as recoil goes.

I learned to shoot with a 1950's bolt action remmington 514, 22lr. I still have it in its original case all oiled up and looking like brand new. It's a fantastic gun and I've posted pictures of it on this forum before, but I don't know where they are.

[QUOTE=Zatharon;19793805]So out of curiosity what did you guys learn to shoot with? I personally learned on my Mosin Nagant, no one in my household was ever real keen on guns except for me, so I saved up and bought one for myself as soon as I turned 18, I had shot before but nothing very extensive, my Mosin was the first thing I ever really got to learn about and get some real range time on, which is probably why I don't always agree with people who say you should start out with a .22lr, I learned on the 7.62x54r, it's a hell of a cartridge and in the Mosin kicks like a bitch, but because of that nothing I've shot since has given me any problem at all as far as recoil goes.[/QUOTE] I started shooting when I was five with an Interarms Model 62 or something, I don't know the actual name. Pumpaction .22 type thing. Real nice gun, I still have it. I moved on to shooting my dad's Mini 14, and the first gun I ever owned was an M1 Carbine, the second was an AK, then a Mosin Nagant, etc etc etc.

mikhail shut up you give absolutely worthless advice/input [editline]05:06AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Zatharon;19793805]So out of curiosity what did you guys learn to shoot with? I personally learned on my Mosin Nagant, no one in my household was ever real keen on guns except for me, so I saved up and bought one for myself as soon as I turned 18, I had shot before but nothing very extensive, my Mosin was the first thing I ever really got to learn about and get some real range time on, which is probably why I don't always agree with people who say you should start out with a .22lr, I learned on the 7.62x54r, it's a hell of a cartridge and in the Mosin kicks like a bitch, but because of that nothing I've shot since has given me any problem at all as far as recoil goes.[/QUOTE] I shot BB guns a lot when I was young, but my first "gun" was an SKS (go figure, I was more interested in cool, cheap milsurp than doing things right) regarding mosins: the recoil isn't really that bad, even with an M44. Shoot a K31, K98, G3, and a Mosin right after another and the Mosin will seem very mild, at least in my opinion. Firing a wide variety of full sized rifle calibers will give a good frame of reference. (although I suspect my impression of .308 is flawed because a G3 bolt weighs quite a bit and I haven't ever shot .308 out of anything else) [editline]05:18AM[/editline] ps if anyone wants an enfield [url]http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.php/p/enfield-%234-mk-1-303-british-good-condition/products_id/4175[/url] they pop up from time to time but seem to be generally slippery to catch (AIMsurplus had some like a year ago for $150, but they sold out within a few days), so if you really want one you should get one while JG has em

Also, for anyone thinking that the AK47 is more reliable than the AR15 when filled with sand... [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo5WhVvtYak[/media] AK [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8SSQ_wIG4o[/media] AR

Anyone know where I can get some cheap 12 ga. marine flares?

[QUOTE=Zatharon;19795450]Anyone know where I can get some cheap 12 ga. marine flares?[/QUOTE] The answer to your question is google product search. But then again why would you want flares? I have three that I bought for a dollar but I've been too scared to try shooting them out of my Mossberg. I don't want to narc up the barrel. And I got them at a flea market. One is so aged the plastic hull has a crack. Odds are none of them are safe to fire. Also I saw that Canadian Tire sells flare guns and spare flares. Not cheap though. A pack of flares costs more than the gun.

They make 12ga flares? :v:

[QUOTE=Mikhail;19786684][URL="http://www.facepunch.com/#"]View YouTUBE video[/URL] [URL]http://youtube.com/watch?v=P13JrSQ30-E[/URL] Video of me shooting my AK47 (AMD-65 7.62x39mm Hungarian Assault rifle) I just bought a Glock 19 9mm compact too and shot it the other day. PS. I was attempting to bump fire.[/QUOTE] How many of those shots did you actually hit the target with?

[QUOTE=Mister B;19795612]How many of those shots did you actually hit the target with?[/QUOTE] Probably two. Looks like he was more focused on trying to look cool by bump firing. :smug:

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God. I would love to get a Mini 14. It is probably my favorite gun.

[QUOTE=Bean-O;19795536]The answer to your question is google product search. But then again why would you want flares? I have three that I bought for a dollar but I've been too scared to try shooting them out of my Mossberg. I don't want to narc up the barrel. And I got them at a flea market. One is so aged the plastic hull has a crack. Odds are none of them are safe to fire. Also I saw that Canadian Tire sells flare guns and spare flares. Not cheap though. A pack of flares costs more than the gun.[/QUOTE] Pretty soon i'm picking up a polish 26.5MM flaregun and I've got a 12 ga flare converter for it because 26.5 mm flares are expensive as hell. not gonna be firing it out of my beloved M67E, but out of an actual flaregun.

[QUOTE=T2L_Goose;19795645]God. I would love to get a Mini 14. It is probably my favorite gun.[/QUOTE] Why don't you buy one then? Get an AR15 as well.

[QUOTE=Zatharon;19795663]Pretty soon i'm picking up a polish 26.5MM flaregun and I've got a 12 ga flare converter for it because 26.5 mm flares are expensive as hell. not gonna be firing it out of my beloved M67E, but out of an actual flaregun.[/QUOTE] It's still going to be prohibitively expensive to fire more than a couple flares a year for shits and giggles. Also unsuccessful troll is largely ignored.

[QUOTE=JDK721;19795639]Probably two. Looks like he was more focused on trying to look cool by bump firing. :smug:[/QUOTE] I'd say he succeeded.

[QUOTE=Bean-O;19795785]It's still going to be prohibitively expensive to fire more than a couple flares a year for shits and giggles. Also unsuccessful troll is largely ignored.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I found it pretty cheap so it is mostly for shits and giggles, such as starting bonfires but I'll also be packing it with me whenever I go hiking, and I'd like to be able to shoot off a couple flares before hans just to know what I can expect from it.

[QUOTE=T2L_Goose;19795645]God. I would love to get a Mini 14. It is probably my favorite gun.[/QUOTE] Come to Sioux Falls, there's at least 5 of them on the rack here.

There are Mini-14s all over the place.

[QUOTE=mastermaul;19796062]There are Mini-14s all over the place.[/QUOTE] For good reason too.

[QUOTE=zombiefreak;19796955]For good reason too.[/QUOTE] Was never really impressed with them honestly. I'll stick with an AR-15 platform of some sort if I'm going 5.56 / .223

[QUOTE=massn7;19797556]Was never really impressed with them honestly. I'll stick with an AR-15 platform of some sort if I'm going 5.56 / .223[/QUOTE] Still nice militia weapons that are CA legal.

[QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan;19794755]regarding mosins: the recoil isn't really that bad, even with an M44. Shoot a K31, K98, G3, and a Mosin right after another and the Mosin will seem very mild, at least in my opinion.[/QUOTE] Oh man, try some Wolf ammo in a Mosin, now that is quite a show, especially in the M38 or M44 with those short barrels.

I like the CheyTac Intervention [img]http://www.downloadmunkey.net/images/M200.jpg[/img] :smug: