Anyone know anything about Yugoslavian SKS's?
I bought a cheap, beat up one a while back that I refinished, but I could never get it to cycle. The gas shutoff valve is in the correct position, not the grenade position, it has a new, stainless steel gas shutoff valve, the barrel is in great condition, everything on it seems to be exactly the same as my Russian SKS that works flawlessly, but for some reason it just won't cycle.
Here's the gun just for the fuck of it:
[img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1939265/IMG_0318.JPG[/img]
Just wondering.. Does it have a piston in it?
[QUOTE=DrMortician;19870081]Just wondering.. Does it have a piston in it?[/QUOTE]
Haha yeah, that was the first thing I looked for, it has the two pistons and the return spring.
[QUOTE=mugofdoom;19870178]Haha yeah, that was the first thing I looked for, it has the two pistons and the return spring.[/QUOTE]
Does it move freely? Any way to check to make sure the gas port isn't clogged or mis-aligned with the hole in the barrel? Spray some oil down the gas block and check in the barrel to see if it drips down.
[QUOTE=DrMortician;19870213]Does it move freely? Any way to check to make sure the gas port isn't clogged or mis-aligned with the hole in the barrel? Spray some oil down the gas block and check in the barrel to see if it drips down.[/QUOTE]
Gas port isn't clogged or anything, and it is aligned, I just got through stripping it down and I checked the alignment of the gas shutoff valve and the hole in the barrel, all seems good there. I'm not sure if it moves freely, but both pistons seem to be fine when I took them out of the gun, but there's no way to check if they move freely while in the gun, but I don't see why they wouldn't.
I really have no idea what's wrong with it, I spent a few hours tonight checking everything and it all seems to check out, I haven't inspected the trigger group but I can't see any signs that the hammer could be locking up for whatever reason.
In all honesty I always see these debates on which handgun caliber will do better. Every bullet will kill you just as dead. Its more about the practice and knowledge of using the weapon than the caliber itself that will help you survive an encounter. I'd rather have a gun with more ammo than a higher caliber because it means i can put more lead down range rather than worry about how many shots I have left.
[QUOTE=G12-A5;19870358]In all honesty I always see these debates on which handgun caliber will do better. Every bullet will kill you just as dead. Its more about the practice and knowledge of using the weapon than the caliber itself that will help you survive an encounter. I'd rather have a gun with more ammo than a higher caliber because it means i can put more lead down range rather than worry about how many shots I have left.[/QUOTE]
As long as it penetrates deeply enough, bigger is better.
It's really simple. Velocity isn't much of a factor until we're dealing with more than 2200fps.
The other factor is, how well can you control the gun? Having the biggest baddest thing ever doesn't mean much if you can't connect with it. If all you can shoot effectively is a .380 then that's what you should be using. For civilian self defense, capacity shouldn't be a huge concern. Pick something that's going to effectively stop a threat ASAP, not something you'll have to empty a magazine with to accomplish anything. You'll have a lot better peace of mind if you ever have to use your weapon too. Less likely that you'll get shot or killed in the process.
Now for a war fighting pistol, your POU may be a little different and that capacity may be a primary concern.
[QUOTE=G12-A5;19870358]In all honesty I always see these debates on which handgun caliber will do better. Every bullet will kill you just as dead. Its more about the practice and knowledge of using the weapon than the caliber itself that will help you survive an encounter. I'd rather have a gun with more ammo than a higher caliber because it means i can put more lead down range rather than worry about how many shots I have left.[/QUOTE]
Not really. If every cartridge killed you just as efficiently or even reliably, there wouldn't be discrepencies over terminal performance. 5.56 vs 7.62 NATO is a classic argument. And if you want to go down the military aspect road, it brings into argument of "massed fire" vs "shooting to kill" (which likewise, is just another aspect of "lots of small boolets" vs "a few big boolets").
Obviously however, at the end of the day, shot placement is king.
[QUOTE=Mikhail;19868183]If you shoot someone with 9mm they will go down no matter where you hit them[/QUOTE]
Not true at all.
[QUOTE=professional;19871040]Not really. If every cartridge killed you just as efficiently or even reliably, there wouldn't be discrepencies over terminal performance. 5.56 vs 7.62 NATO is a classic argument. And if you want to go down the military aspect road, it brings into argument of "massed fire" vs "shooting to kill" (which likewise, is just another aspect of "lots of small boolets" vs "a few big boolets").
Obviously however, at the end of the day, shot placement is king.[/QUOTE]
In most scenarios and cases, a shot to the chest or head from any common defense round is a one shot stop with nothing more than marginally to modestly higher or lower guarantees. Anything more is really just brownie points and anything more than that is simply overkill.
The catch about it though is that the head and chest aren't big targets, but there's a reason most firearms used for defense have a capacity of atleast six. The same applies if it just so happens out of luck it [i]doesn't[/i] stop them.
[QUOTE=Loen;19871637]In most scenarios and cases, a shot to the chest or head from any common defense round is a one shot stop with nothing more than marginally to modestly higher or lower guarantees. Anything more is really just brownie points and anything more than that is simply overkill.
The catch about it though is that the head and chest aren't big targets, but there's a reason most firearms used for defense have a capacity of atleast six. The same applies if it just so happens out of luck it [i]doesn't[/i] stop them.[/QUOTE]
There are still loads of case reports of people not going down after being hit multiple times in the center mass, by trained shooters, with common defense rounds (such as 9x19mm).
Ballistic gel reports look cool, but it's still only an attempt at replicating human flesh. There's various other factors at play that ballistic gel cannot simulate. It should also be noted that rounds that often perform good on naked gel don't perform so well when the gel is clothed. Ultimately though, I agree that it's more important that you are comfortable and accurate shooting your selected cartridge, than it is with picking the biggest and baddest motherfucking cartridge you can find.
[QUOTE=professional;19872275]There are still loads of case reports of people not going down after being hit multiple times in the center mass, by trained shooters, with common defense rounds (such as 9x19mm).
Ballistic gel reports look cool, but it's still only an attempt at replicating human flesh. There's various other factors at play that ballistic gel cannot simulate. It should also be noted that rounds that often perform good on naked gel don't perform so well when the gel is clothed. Ultimately though, I agree that it's more important that you are comfortable and accurate shooting your selected cartridge, than it is with picking the biggest and baddest motherfucking cartridge you can find.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. A dude trained in a 7.65 Luger would do preform just as well .45 1911.
7.65 is a jizztastic round by the way.
[QUOTE=Loen;19871637]In most scenarios and cases, a shot to the chest or head from any common defense round is a one shot stop with nothing more than marginally to modestly higher or lower guarantees. Anything more is really just brownie points and anything more than that is simply overkill.
The catch about it though is that the head and chest aren't big targets, but there's a reason most firearms used for defense have a capacity of atleast six. The same applies if it just so happens out of luck it [i]doesn't[/i] stop them.[/QUOTE]
I've been faced with the situation, but you haven't I doubt, so you're still naive enough to think like that.
Lets say there's a drunk/drugged up person with a gun. He's waving it around at people but hasn't targeted you directly yet. He's fired warning shots and generally presents a threat to yourself and everyone in the area. It's your legal right to fire if you feel your life is in danger, or the lives of those around you. You don't know his intentions yet but you have reason to believe someone will die if you don't do something.
Do you want to take the shot and risk it not dropping him, and have him turn the gun on you? Or do you want to make damn sure that 1 shot puts him down? You may not have time to empty a magazine into him before he has lead flying your direction.
Just something to think about when deciding on your defensive handgun. There's also lots of theories on where to place shots to neutralize people the fastest. A common belief is to get rounds into the pelvis then go for center of mass if they're still standing, that's also going to be a lot easier to do under stress than just going for center of mass.
[QUOTE=DrMortician;19872365]I've been faced with the situation, but you haven't I doubt, so you're still naive enough to think like that.
Lets say there's a drunk/drugged up person with a gun. He's waving it around at people but hasn't targeted you directly yet. He's fired warning shots and generally presents a threat to yourself and everyone in the area. It's your legal right to fire if you feel your life is in danger, or the lives of those around you. You don't know his intentions yet but you have reason to believe someone will die if you don't do something.
Do you want to take the shot and risk it not dropping him, and have him turn the gun on you? Or do you want to make damn sure that 1 shot puts him down? You may not have time to empty a magazine into him before he has lead flying your direction.
Just something to think about when deciding on your defensive handgun. There's also lots of theories on where to place shots to neutralize people the fastest. A common belief is to get rounds into the pelvis then go for center of mass if they're still standing, that's also going to be a lot easier to do under stress than just going for center of mass.[/QUOTE]
Well obviously it's the wisest to go for the most effective caliber possible within your personal comfort zone when deciding on a defense gun and getting the best loads for defense for it. It's stupid though; people going for the biggest caliber possible simply because it's a "one shot stopper no matter what", or choosing the smallest caliber possible because of high capacity or best control.
I'd get behind a barrier, get out my gun, and tell him to stop, or i'd shoot. If he shoots, he would hit the barrier, whatever it is, and I would have the legal right to fire back. He just shot at me, and I feel that my life is in danger. I would also have at least 5 witnesses.
[QUOTE=Loen;19872594]Well obviously it's the wisest to go for the most effective caliber possible within your personal comfort zone when deciding on a defense gun and getting the best loads for defense for it. It's stupid though; people going for the biggest caliber possible simply because it's a "one shot stopper no matter what", or choosing the smallest caliber possible because of high capacity or best control.[/QUOTE]
10mm is a perfect example of that.
Completely impractical but people tout it as the greatest thing since sliced bread.
I settled on .45gap as my choice self defense round because it's well rounded and I can have a lightweight double stack gun that fits my hands.
[QUOTE=DrMortician;19872365]I've been faced with the situation, but you haven't I doubt, so you're still naive enough to think like that.
Lets say there's a drunk/drugged up person with a gun. He's waving it around at people but hasn't targeted you directly yet. He's fired warning shots and generally presents a threat to yourself and everyone in the area. It's your legal right to fire if you feel your life is in danger, or the lives of those around you. You don't know his intentions yet but you have reason to believe someone will die if you don't do something.
Do you want to take the shot and risk it not dropping him, and have him turn the gun on you? Or do you want to make damn sure that 1 shot puts him down? You may not have time to empty a magazine into him before he has lead flying your direction.
Just something to think about when deciding on your defensive handgun. There's also lots of theories on where to place shots to neutralize people the fastest. A common belief is to get rounds into the pelvis then go for center of mass if they're still standing, that's also going to be a lot easier to do under stress than just going for center of mass.[/QUOTE]
You shot someone?
[QUOTE=TheOnlyHunter;19872624]I'd get behind a barrier, get out my gun, and tell him to stop, or i'd shoot. If he shoots, he would hit the barrier, whatever it is, and I would have the legal right to fire back. He just shot at me, and I feel that my life is in danger. I would also have at least 5 witnesses.[/QUOTE]
You don't always have cover.
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[QUOTE=JDK721;19872681]You shot someone?[/QUOTE]
Nope, he got into a domestic dispute with his girl friend, beating the shit out of her while all of us left.
Chances are if we attempted to do anything to him, she would have tried to stab us because she had a huge kitchen knife, so we just walked away at that point.
We got lucky.
[QUOTE=DrMortician;19872683]
Chances are if we attempted to do anything to him, she would have tried to stab us because she had a huge kitchen knife, so we just walked away at that point.[/QUOTE]
My father is a police officer. Domestic disputes are always two-man calls. The girlfriend/wife is usually psycho and will stab you in the back if you try to arrest the husband. Good call.
[QUOTE=DrMortician;19872683]You don't always have cover.
[editline]11:26PM[/editline]
Nope, he got into a domestic dispute with his girl friend, beating the shit out of her while all of us left.
Chances are if we attempted to do anything to him, she would have tried to stab us because she had a huge kitchen knife, so we just walked away at that point.
We got lucky.[/QUOTE]
...so this guy's beating the shit out of his girlfriend and you just leave?
[QUOTE=mugofdoom;19872770]...dude's beating the shit out of his girlfriend and you just leave?[/QUOTE]
Would have had to kill them both if I decided to do anything.
I figure in the end a black eye and some blood loss would be better for them than being 6 foot in the ground.
[QUOTE=DrMortician;19872791]Would have had to kill them both if I decided to do anything.
I figure in the end a black eye and some blood loss would be better for them than being 6 foot in the ground.[/QUOTE]
Did you atleast call the cops?
I know I wasn't there, but the way you're describing this makes it sound really weird.
I'm sure he did. I understand what you mean though.
"I saw a guy getting killed and left."
"What?"
"I called the cops though."
"Why didn't you ust tell me that first?"
[QUOTE=mugofdoom;19872800]Did you atleast call the cops?
I know I wasn't there, but the way you're describing this makes it sound really weird.[/QUOTE]
Underage drinkers involved... No police involvement.
Next day everyone is still alive and nobody is in jail.
I think it worked out fine.
[QUOTE=DrMortician;19873057]Underage drinkers involved... No police involvement.
Next day everyone is still alive and nobody is in jail.
I think it worked out fine.[/QUOTE]
Just like the Holocaust worked out fine.
And 9/11 worked out fine.
And the London Bridge Bus Bombing worked out fine.
:downs:
[QUOTE=TheOnlyHunter;19873071]Just like the Holocaust worked out fine.
And 9/11 worked out fine.
And the London Bridge Bus Bombing worked out fine.
:downs:[/QUOTE]
Because it's better to kill 2 people and send a couple teenagers to jail instead of just let the situation resolve its self and everyone get to wake up tomorrow happy and healthy in their own homes.
As a side note, I didn't give a shit about the kids going to jail for underage drinking and was going to call the cops. But damn near everyone else insisted that I did not.
Because 2 people were killed in the Holocaust.
And in 9/11.
And in the London Bridge Bus Bombing.
[QUOTE=TheOnlyHunter;19873255]Because 2 people were killed in the Holocaust.
And in 9/11.
And in the London Bridge Bus Bombing.[/QUOTE]
What exactly is your point?
STOP UNDERESTIMATING EVENTS THAT ARE SRS BUSINESS BEACUSE YOU MIGHT GET YELLED AT BY PEOPLE
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Man this reminds me of the first ride-along I did.
City of Saratoga. Virtually no crime rate at all. On Sunday night. A day when even most criminals aren't very active.
Throughout the night nothing is happening. Few calls, virtually no activity.
Then near the end of the shift we suddenly get a call of a domestic disturbance.
When we get there the guy hadn't done much to the wife. Reportedly she was hysterical. He grabbed her wrists to control her and she claimed her wrists hurt. Under Californian law if the victim reports pain we are required to arrest the husband. No ifs ands or buts. Pretty smooth sailing so far. No drama, no violence, everyone is complying. The guy is in the backseat of the car being read his rights and under these circumstances he was probably released from the county jail the next morning (since this was all happening at 2 AM).
Anyway just as we're getting ready to go the wife darts out of the house towards the car. Two officers try to hold her back as she goes right up to the backseat window and starts crying hysterically. Eventually the rest of the cops peel her off the glass and take her back into the house.
I never saw that coming. It seemed everything was calm, everyone was being sane and rational. Then all of a sudden the whole thing turns into this big, emotional and rather hectic scene.
And then as we're driving to jail the one question this guy asks is if he'll be out in time for a business meeting the next day.
His wife just darted out of his house, shoved past two cops like a football player (American football anyway) and cried all over the backseat window of the police car that he was being driven to jail in and all he could think about was tomorrow's business meeting.
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