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[QUOTE=G12-A5;20095796]Please inform me on how the m1911 is highly superior. I really would like to know.[/QUOTE] DONT COVER MY BEAUTIFUL POST ABOUT MAGAZINES WITH YOUR PETTY ARGUMENT petty!

[QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan;20095813]bad troll or fuckin dumb pick your poison[/QUOTE] No I'm not a troll and I do know quite a bit about firearms. I just get aggravated when people act like x guns is the best gun in the world and spit on a hipoint just because of price and the name. Honestly I pay 200 all said and done out the door for my c9. I don't care about what uber grips it has. I don't care that it is ugly as hell. I don't care if it has a fucking portrait of my dog on the side of it. None of that effects the performance of the pistol. I point it down range at the target, I pull the trigger, It goes pow every time. How can you say that is a peice of shit? The hipoint is an accurate little pistol and is extremely well priced.

[QUOTE=G12-A5;20095996]No I'm not a troll and I do know quite a bit about firearms. I just get aggravated when people act like x guns is the best gun in the world and spit on a hipoint just because of price and the name. Honestly I pay 200 all said and done out the door for my c9. I don't care about what uber grips it has. I don't care that it is ugly as hell. I don't care if it has a fucking portrait of my dog on the side of it. None of that effects the performance of the pistol. I point it down range at the target, I pull the trigger, It goes pow every time. How can you say that is a peice of shit? The hipoint is an accurate little pistol and is extremely well priced.[/QUOTE] You just said that the only thing the m1911 has on the hipoint is luxury, and now you turn around and say that we are saying "the hipoint is an unreliable piece of shit and only a retard would buy them"

[QUOTE=Oecleus;20096045]You just said that the only thing the m1911 has on the hipoint is luxury, and now you turn around and say that we are saying "the hipoint is an unreliable piece of shit and only a retard would buy them"[/QUOTE] I'm looking for a non-biased 1911 vs hipoint .45 place. But none have them. I would like to see someone do one and I guarantee it will raise quite a few eyebrows when the tests are all set and done.

[QUOTE=Idi Amin;20095744]Just got 10 of them, all are brand new, chrome followers, parkerized floor plates, no dents, no corrosion of any kind, beautiful. All of mine have eagle stamps on the rear ends and HK factory logos and markings as well as date of manufacture. They range from 1964 to 1987.[/QUOTE] Yeah all the ones I got (15) were in great condition with the exception of one which doesn't latch correctly (hangs out of the mag well a bit lower than the rest, need to test it and see if it works). Some were actually brand new, including the steel one that I got.

[QUOTE=Campin Carl;20095839]Didn't the North Hollywood guys take a shitload of rounds due to being pumped up on Adrenaline and other drugs?[/QUOTE] They had full body armor. The local police back then mostly had 9mm and .38 pistols or 12 gauge shotguns which were no match for the shooters' body armor. One of the gunmen was shot 11 times. The other gunman was shot 29 times.

You see, if there was a 7.62 NATO or 30-06 in play there'd be none of this "shoot a lot, be useless" deal that happened in North Hollywood.

A lot of cops do carry AR15s in their cars now as I understand it so they don't have to go find a gun when they need one.

[QUOTE=RR_Raptor65;20099248]A lot of cops do carry AR15s in their cars now as I understand it so they don't have to go find a gun when they need one.[/QUOTE] Actually most police departments handle it by having an Armory patrol vehicle. This is a single unit that has a few assorted weapons from M16s to MGLs to fire tear gas. Since they're such specialty weapons, it is rare for them to be assigned to a single unit.

[QUOTE=RR_Raptor65;20099248]A lot of cops do carry AR15s in their cars now as I understand it so they don't have to go find a gun when they need one.[/QUOTE] Which (at least in California) happened as a direct result of the North Hollywood shootout.

[QUOTE=mugofdoom;20095236]Is it okay to leave mags (like alluminum and steel G3 mags, AK mags and AR mags) fully loaded? I usually keep all my spare mags loaded (minus one which I keep unloaded in the gun) but it's been bothering me lately.[/QUOTE] Springs never weaken from being constantly compressed, at least beyond a safe amount. They weaken from repeated compression and decompression. The only issue with leaving magazines loaded is that if the feed lips are not steel, there's a risk they they can deform over time. [editline]12:52PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Oecleus;20095283]in terms of kinetic energy 5.56 > .45 acp > 9mm [/QUOTE] Kinetic energy isn't very important with handguns. The velocity is almost always too low for that to make a difference. Bullet design is a key player on handguns. [editline]12:54PM[/editline] [QUOTE=UncleJimmema;20095378] Have you hunted a deer with a 5.56? Considering the ranges I hunt deer here in Minnesota I'd be better off with a 9mm because a 5.56 goes right through a deer and lets him run off. I've hunted deer with .45 before and it worked just fine, you just have to hit a vitals area like any other weapon.[/QUOTE] Incorrect. 5.56 is intended to yaw and fragment. If it isn't, the bullet is either some excessively deep penetrating bonded hunting bullet(All of which are stupid for thin skinned game), or your barrel is too short for it to reach proper velocities. A 9mm or .45 will work well for hunting with the proper bullet. [editline]12:56PM[/editline] [QUOTE=G12-A5;20095660]Yep. I dont understand Morticians comment either. Just because a gun costs 1,000 does not mean its highly superior to a gun that costs 350. When buying an expensive handgun the thing your really paying for is the name and luxury. Its just like clothes. A shirt from good will will keep you just as warm as a shirt from lacoste. Cept with lacoste your paying for that little aligator and the company name. I bought a hipoint c9, Yes its ugly and alittle on the blocky side. But those little fancy 1911's with the pearl grips are far more expensive. Why? Well luxury. They both will put a bullet down range. And both will fire when you pull that trigger (Provided you clean and maintain them properly). Only different factor is size of the round and price.[/QUOTE] You have no concept of quality weapons. I suggest you speak with a professional operator and ask his opinion of hipoints. I'm fairly certain a navy seal isn't trading his sig P226 for a hi point, and it's not just because of a name. 1911s are almost always like in your case, unless they're some cheap milspec one that happens to run right. On a quality weapon, you can leave it unlubed, and uncleaned for 10k+ rounds without a single malfunction besides maybe a cook off from the barrel becoming too hot. A glock is pretty damned cheap and performs nearly as well as the higher end weapons out there. If you suggest that you're only paying for a name with glock, you're absolutely delusional. You're not paying for the name with sig either, you get absolutely every dime worth out of the gun that you give for it. H&K on the other hand, you have every right to laugh at, they're inferior to glocks, and vastly inferior to sigs. You're paying solely for the name and getting a field grade weapon that's not even all that reliable in adverse conditions.

[QUOTE=DrMortician;20102075]Kinetic energy isn't very important with handguns. The velocity is almost always too low for that to make a difference. [/QUOTE] I believe you are taking my words out of context, we (UncleJ and myself) are talking about how much knockback a magazine full of 5.56's would do compared to being hit by a larger bullet yet smaller kinetic force like a .45 ACP against bulletproof armor.

[QUOTE=DrMortician;20102075] Incorrect. 5.56 is intended to yaw and fragment. If it isn't, the bullet is either some excessively deep penetrating bonded hunting bullet(All of which are stupid for thin skinned game), or your barrel is too short for it to reach proper velocities. [/QUOTE] I was referring to how it acted within the range that most deer hunters shoot a deer in Minnesota. Hunting in Minnesota is divided into two areas, the farmlands and the forests. The farmlands you can expect to be making anywhere between 300 and 500 yard shots as expected. In the forests however one is shooting at deer 75 yards or less. At that range the 5.56 goes straight through the deer as it still has a huge amount of velocity. I've shot a deer with an AR-15 using .223 hollow points and I hit it just behind the right front leg, the damn thing was able to sprint off and we had to follow a damn blood trail.

The point of a Hi-Point isn't to compete against the better guns such as SIGs/Glocks/Berettas etc. Those are established service handguns. That's not the market Hi-Point is going for. Instead it falls in the "good enough" category. It is meant for the person who feels they need a gun in their home for self-defense or just a gun to go plinking at the range with. The prospective customer doesn't need a Glock/SIG/Beretta/H&K to accomplish those objectives. One of those better guns could serve that purpose better, certainly, but they either don't have the extra money or don't feel like spending it on that. And why should they? They aren't cops, they aren't tasked with running into a firefight if one happens to break out. If something bad happens, short of the apocalypse, a Hi-Point is certainly good enough to fight your way out. Also for the more established gun owner who does own a superior handgun a Hi-Point serves a unique purpose as well. It is a throw-away gun. You can use it somewhere where you wouldn't mind it getting lost. For instance a truck gun. If your car is stolen or gets burned or something like that and you have a 3,000$ race gun in the trunk that sucks. If it's a 150$ Hi-Point it isn't a big loss. This unique dynamic also makes it an ideal tackle box gun. Some people take it with them on fishing trips and if it goes over the side it isn't that big of a loss. Is it irresponsible to manufacture this weapon for these purposes? An inferior self-defense gun or one that can be discarded (and found/used by god knows who?), that's debatable. But it is certainly not meant to be compared with service handguns like the Glocks and Sigs.

[QUOTE=DrMortician;20102075] H&K on the other hand, you have every right to laugh at, they're inferior to glocks, and vastly inferior to sigs. You're paying solely for the name and getting a field grade weapon that's not even all that reliable in adverse conditions.[/QUOTE] Nonsense, stop being dramatic. They are overpriced and HK are some fucking elitist pricks when it comes to their civilian market, but they have made some high quality products.

[QUOTE=Bean-O;20108248] But it is certainly not meant to be compared with service handguns like the Glocks and Sigs.[/QUOTE] Which is i'm pretty sure everyones point (maybe not DrMorticians who knows). Saying that the only difference is luxury name makes you a complete jackass.

[QUOTE=professional;20109673]They are overpriced and HK are some fucking elitist pricks when it comes to their civilian market, but they have made some high quality products.[/QUOTE] Was literally about to post this sentence after reading his post. I actually just sent an email to a friend who owns three Glocks, a USP, and several different SIG models. Ill post what he says when he responds. [editline]02:24AM[/editline] [quote]First part I totally agree with. You get your moneys worth with Glock and Sig. The second part I agree with to a point. To some degree you do pay more for the HK name but it's a great gun and to me well worth it.[/quote] From the mouth of an owner of all three.

[QUOTE=mugofdoom;20096246]Yeah all the ones I got (15) were in great condition with the exception of one which doesn't latch correctly (hangs out of the mag well a bit lower than the rest, need to test it and see if it works). Some were actually brand new, including the steel one that I got.[/QUOTE] gah aren't these things great

[QUOTE=Idi Amin;20112043]gah aren't these things great[/QUOTE] The best part is I have no need for 19 fucking G3 mags since I rarely shoot my CETME, but I don't give a fuuuuck. I just like having a box filled with magazines laying around my room, plus I can always sell them for a profit.

[QUOTE=RR_Raptor65;20099248]A lot of cops do carry AR15s in their cars now as I understand it so they don't have to go find a gun when they need one.[/QUOTE] I know of two police officers off the top of my head that carry them in the car as their "primary". As opposed to a shotgun or something. A few departments also still have Thompson SMGs and all kinds of whacky stuff still in inventory available to use. [editline]09:38PM[/editline] [QUOTE=mugofdoom;20112093]The best part is I have no need for 19 fucking G3 mags since I rarely shoot my CETME, but I don't give a fuuuuck.[/QUOTE] Their cheap enough to build miniature forts with, the uses are endless

I hate my local gunshop, they always persuade me to buy shit I don't need. [IMG]http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg206/HBattosai/SIGpromoa.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Idi Amin;20112137]Their cheap enough to build miniature forts with, the uses are endless[/QUOTE] Shit, I need some more magazines. [editline]09:46PM[/editline] [QUOTE=facepuke;20112254]I hate my local gunshop, they always persuade me to buy shit I don't need.[/QUOTE] lol tokyo marui fucking airshit

This is the big leagues, its a mans world, gotta grow up and shave your balls kid. Avast fowl troll kin airshit

I didn't know gun stores sold airsoft guns. At least not good ones. [QUOTE=mugofdoom;20112268] lol tokyo marui fucking airshit[/QUOTE] Give credit where credit is due, Marui is a really good manufacturer.

You probably could have passed that as legit if you showed just the rifle. I means seriously. And use a better background. It makes a firearm look cooler. [editline]07:52PM[/editline] Fuckin' nija'd. And Marui kinda sucks..

[QUOTE=Thomas849;20112449]You probably could have passed that as legit if you showed just the rifle. I means seriously. And use a better background. It makes a firearm look cooler. [editline]07:52PM[/editline] Fuckin' nija'd. And Marui kinda sucks..[/QUOTE] Marui doesn't suck. They aren't the best ones out there but they are still pretty good. Better than anything I have (real firearms notwithstanding). Also you could easily tell it's fake. The plastic is clearly too shiny and cheap to be from a real gun, the receiver looks like plastic (because it is) and the magazine isn't see-through.

[QUOTE=Bean-O;20112386]I didn't know gun stores sold airsoft guns. At least not good ones. Give credit where credit is due, Marui is a really good manufacturer.[/QUOTE] The most experience I have with Airsoft is a spring loaded, clear Beretta M92 and a half scale UZI made almost entirely out of plastic, so I wouldn't know. Though I have heard Marui isn't that great. In any case this isn't an Airshit thread, even though that rifle is somewhat realistic looking.

Well airsoft isn't bad, it just serves a different purpose. Can't go shooting your friends with real guns. Not more than once anyway.

[QUOTE=Bean-O;20112559]Well airsoft isn't bad, it just serves a different purpose. Can't go shooting your friends with real guns. Not more than once anyway.[/QUOTE] You can if you buy several hundred starving African/Asian children and promise them that they can go free if they don't get shot. You know how sometimes people breed or buy animals just to set them free and hunt them? Like that.

[QUOTE=mugofdoom;20112597]You can if you buy several hundred starving African/Asian children and promise them that they can go free if they don't get shot. You know how sometimes people breed or buy animals just to set them free and hunt them? Like that.[/QUOTE] I see... However pelting your friends is still a bit cheaper. That and notably less messy.