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[QUOTE=DrMortician;20113686] And that they can't pass the same sand and abuse tests that the sigs and glocks can. [/QUOTE] Im pretty sure that the MK23 passed a stupidly difficult and rigorous sand/water/heat/cold/rounds fired while fouled test. Unless you are just talking about civilian models. Ill try to find the article.

[url]http://www.theprepared.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=90[/url] Just thought this was relevant.

[QUOTE=Timebomb757;20113769]Im pretty sure that the MK23 passed a stupidly difficult and rigorous sand/water/heat/cold/rounds fired while fouled test. Unless you are just talking about civilian models. Ill try to find the article.[/QUOTE] It's also some ungodly massive heavy piece of garbage that costs around $2k. Everyone who is issued it hates it. I was talking about the USP series. [IMG]http://i49.tinypic.com/33at95c.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=DrMortician;20113839]It's also some ungodly massive heavy piece of garbage that costs around $2k. Everyone who is issued it hates it. I was talking about the USP series. [IMG]http://i49.tinypic.com/33at95c.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] The argument of the offensive handgun is that it has a longer barrel in order to have the accuracy of a small SMG. But in that case why not just give the operators a small SMG? H&K, what were they thinking? Also, fun fact. Far more MK 23s were sold to civilians than any agencies. Those that were sold to governments are mostly rusting in weapons lockers.

[QUOTE=zombiefreak;20112729]Military use it for training.[/QUOTE] No they don't. Most militaries use either simunitions, a laser system or a combination of both. Only cheap shitty militaries that don't actually do anything like Japan (which is full of weeabos anyway) use airsoft for force on force training. [editline]07:22AM[/editline] [QUOTE=DrMortician;20113686] And that they can't pass the same sand and abuse tests that the sigs and glocks can. [/QUOTE] You got a source for that, or are you just talking shit to support a personal opinion? Last time I checked, there were Navy SEALs piping up about performance issues of P226s in maritime conditions. But see, I don't have a legitimate source for that, so I don't tout it as the truth. Everyone I know who has owned a USP for a considerable amount of time has said nothing but great things about it, aside from the usual problems of A) not getting a good fit or B) HK's proprietary bullshit. Oh by the way: [url]http://www.streetpro.com/usp/torture.html[/url] . That's a ridiculously abusive test, and it passed with flying colors.

[QUOTE=professional;20114395]You got a source for that, or are you just talking shit to support a personal opinion? Last time I checked, there were Navy SEALs piping up about performance issues of P226s in maritime conditions. But see, I don't have a legitimate source for that, so I don't tout it as the truth. Everyone I know who has owned a USP for a considerable amount of time has said nothing but great things about it, aside from the usual problems of A) not getting a good fit or B) HK's proprietary bullshit. Oh by the way: [url]http://www.streetpro.com/usp/torture.html[/url] . That's a ridiculously abusive test, and it passed with flying colors.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=mugofdoom;20113808][url]http://www.theprepared.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=90[/url] Just thought this was relevant.[/QUOTE] He tests a USP, it fails miserably. Where as the Glock is thrown out of a plane and submitted to what would amount to a lifetime in a perpetual Battle of Stalingrad and still works as good as the day it came out of the factory.

[QUOTE=professional;20114395]No they don't. Most militaries use either simunitions, a laser system or a combination of both. Only cheap shitty militaries that don't actually do anything like Japan (which is full of weeabos anyway) use airsoft for force on force training. [editline]07:22AM[/editline] You got a source for that, or are you just talking shit to support a personal opinion? Last time I checked, there were Navy SEALs piping up about performance issues of P226s in maritime conditions. But see, I don't have a legitimate source for that, so I don't tout it as the truth. Everyone I know who has owned a USP for a considerable amount of time has said nothing but great things about it, aside from the usual problems of A) not getting a good fit or B) HK's proprietary bullshit. Oh by the way: [url]http://www.streetpro.com/usp/torture.html[/url] . That's a ridiculously abusive test, and it passed with flying colors.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.theprepared.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=90[/url] Seems like a good enough test to me. [editline]01:48AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Bean-O;20114123]The argument of the offensive handgun is that it has a longer barrel in order to have the accuracy of a small SMG. But in that case why not just give the operators a small SMG? H&K, what were they thinking? Also, fun fact. Far more MK 23s were sold to civilians than any agencies. Those that were sold to governments are mostly rusting in weapons lockers.[/QUOTE] It's just a hilarious marketing phrase. "Offensive handgun" is an oxymoron.

[QUOTE=professional;20114395]No they don't. Most militaries use either simunitions, a laser system or a combination of both. Only cheap shitty militaries that don't actually do anything like Japan (which is full of weeabos anyway) use airsoft for force on force training. [/QUOTE] Not true. I train with the US military as an OpFor. Almost all of NYs National Guard units and many of the other branches stationed here use airsoft in their MOUT facilities too. Its significantly cheaper than the MILES laser and its easier to use. We train with the Guard literally right in the middle of a city, since we don't have to deal with the noise of blanks.

[QUOTE=Timebomb757;20117264]Not true. I train with the US military as an OpFor. Almost all of NYs National Guard units and many of the other branches stationed here use airsoft in their MOUT facilities too. Its significantly cheaper than the MILES laser and its easier to use. We train with the Guard literally right in the middle of a city, since we don't have to deal with the noise of blanks.[/QUOTE] National guard. Not full time forces. Simunitions is a much superior option for force on force training.

[QUOTE=professional;20117451]National guard. Not full time forces. Simunitions is a much superior option for force on force training.[/QUOTE] From what I remember the marine corps train with something that is similar to extreme paint ball. They basically use real weapons with ammunition firing chalk like projectiles. My friend who's in the marines says it's fun as hell but that they also hurt like a motherfucker :P Turns out they're made out of a type of wax, and can be found here [url]http://www.simunition.com/cartridges/fx_training_en.php[/url]

[QUOTE=professional;20117451]National guard. Not full time forces. Simunitions is a much superior option for force on force training.[/QUOTE] Note "Other branches". The Army is using it more and more frequently at Ft. Drums MOUT facility.

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;20117512]From what I remember the marine corps train with something that is similar to extreme paint ball. They basically use real weapons with ammunition firing chalk like projectiles. My friend who's in the marines says it's fun as hell but that they also hurt like a motherfucker :P Turns out they're made out of a type of wax, and can be found here [URL]http://www.simunition.com/cartridges/fx_training_en.php[/URL][/QUOTE] A few years ago my city's equivalent of SWAT got in trouble for leaving some of them lying around in an abandoned building they were training in.

Ok anyway, I think the MK23 is a sexy handgun.

[QUOTE=mugofdoom;20088632][img]http://www.empirearms.com/FR8-22936.jpg[/img] Spanish FR 8 Mauser. Mmmm.[/QUOTE] My god it looks like a bolt action M1 Carbine.

[QUOTE=mastermaul;20131113]My god it looks like a bolt action M1 Carbine.[/QUOTE] It's meant to simulate the gas tube of another gun I think. In reality it just holds the cleaning kit and I think bayonet lug.

[QUOTE=Bean-O;20131817]It's meant to simulate the gas tube of another gun I think. In reality it just holds the cleaning kit and I think bayonet lug.[/QUOTE] It's just there to be compatible with CETME bayonets, and to familiarize soldiers with the cleaning kit of the CETME rifle, since this was a stopgap weapon while the Spanish waited for their new CETME rifles.

Either way, I kinda want one. Looks like fun.

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;20117512]Turns out they're made out of a type of wax, and can be found here [url]http://www.simunition.com/cartridges/fx_training_en.php[/url][/QUOTE] I actually have some .30-06 training rounds that were loaded with wax. I don't know what period though, probably the '50s. They're just standard .30-06 rounds loaded with a wax plug with the rim of the shell crimped slightly so keep it all in place and allow feeding in the absence of a bullet.

To the handful of people where who owns Mosins I have a marking on my receiver that says "BK-31" (the B is actually a V in Cyrillic) and for some reason this marking is in fact translated as VK-31 on the side of the receiver (Which I believe was done by CAI during importation). What the hell does VK-31 mean? It seems awfully important if CAI had to translate it.

[QUOTE=Bean-O;20151242]To the handful of people where who owns Mosins I have a marking on my receiver that says "BK-31" (the B is actually a V in Cyrillic) and for some reason this marking is in fact translated as VK-31 on the side of the receiver (Which I believe was done by CAI during importation). What the hell does VK-31 mean? It seems awfully important if CAI had to translate it.[/QUOTE] You might be able to find out about the marking here: [url]http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinMarks.htm[/url]

[img]http://www.virtualpilots.fi/en/feature/photoreports/hallinportti2002/h_BK_mg151.jpg[/img] MG151 from a Ju52. [img]http://stg.online.pl/images/articles/celowniki/celownik0011.jpg[/img] Sturmgewehr-44 with Zielgerät 1229 attachment, aka [i]Vampir[/i]. The Vampir was a sighting system adaptable to many different firearms, including machine-guns, that used invisible infra-red light allowing for accurate night-vision optics. The men lucky enough to be trusted with this were named [i]Nachtjaeger[/i], or "night-hunter." [img]http://www.foothill.net/~yergen/images/waffen/stg.jpg[/img] [img]http://world.guns.ru/assault/mp44-4.jpg[/img] And here is our beloved Sturmgewehr next to a different attachment, a barrel that could quickly replace the stock barrel and enable the user to fire around corners and up out of trenches or over obstacles.

[QUOTE=Hektor;20152559] [img]http://stg.online.pl/images/articles/celowniki/celownik0011.jpg[/img] Sturmgewehr-44 with Zielgerät 1229 attachment, aka [i]Vampir[/i]. The Vampir was a sighting system adaptable to many different firearms, including machine-guns, that used invisible infra-red light allowing for accurate night-vision optics. The men lucky enough to be trusted with this were named [i]Nachtjaeger[/i], or "night-hunter."[/QUOTE] Damn Germans and their technology.

The US also had a version of that for the M1 Carbine. Though like everything else it came too late to see active service in WWII.

I like guns...

[QUOTE=spitfire3088;20152257]You might be able to find out about the marking here: [URL]http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinMarks.htm[/URL][/QUOTE] Looked around. Couldn't find any sign of it. If I had to make a random guess the number would have been added after my gun was put together out of scrambled parts. Because all these random parts show the same degree of heavy wear I suspect it was carried by someone (border patrol or training rifle perhaps) for a couple years after WW2 before being chucked into the arsenal again. That number could indicate it being reissued somewhere and because that has relevance to the condition when CAI would have brought it in they would have felt the need to copy this marking with English letters. But that's still just a guess.

I found an old Walther P1 for $150. That a good price? [editline]03:31PM[/editline] 7,000th post :D

[QUOTE=Gubbinz96;20159687]I found an old Walther P1 for $150. That a good price? [editline]03:31PM[/editline] 7,000th post :D[/QUOTE] They typically run from about that price to 200-250$ so yes, that is a good price.

Picked up a Baikal MP-133 for around 150 euro new, and it was the extended version with 5 shells and one in the chamber, anybody else like pump action shotguns?

[QUOTE=Mabus;20161214]Picked up a Baikal MP-133 for around 150 euro new, and it was the extended version with 5 shells and one in the chamber, anybody else like pump action shotguns?[/QUOTE] Scarce in the US. I'm not sure if they're still imported. Mossberg and Remington shotguns pretty much dominate the pump-action market here.

[QUOTE=Bean-O;20151242]To the handful of people where who owns Mosins I have a marking on my receiver that says "BK-31" (the B is actually a V in Cyrillic) and for some reason this marking is in fact translated as VK-31 on the side of the receiver (Which I believe was done by CAI during importation). What the hell does VK-31 mean? It seems awfully important if CAI had to translate it.[/QUOTE] Could possibly be a capture? I know the Germans used the VK designation (Volkskarabiner) for some 98 style rifles produced at the very end of the war. Don't have any idea if it's related or not... I've never heard of BK or VK on any Mosin before. Or, perhaps the letters are an acronym for something or other and the numbers are a barrel date? I confess, I own a Mosin but I've never really looked into them that much other than having one as a fun range gun.