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check it out: [url]http://www.centerfiresystems.com/pps43-pis.aspx[/url] They're new production (not made from surplus parts etc) and, from what I understand, the stocks are easy to reactivate (just dremel off the tack weld). I am seriously debating as to whether or not get this + SBR it or to keep on with my plan and wait for the topgunsupply Zurich P226s to come in.

[QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan;20163922]check it out: [url]http://www.centerfiresystems.com/pps43-pis.aspx[/url] They're new production (not made from surplus parts etc) and, from what I understand, the stocks are easy to reactivate (just dremel off the tack weld). I am seriously debating as to whether or not get this + SBR it or to keep on with my plan and wait for the topgunsupply Zurich P226s to come in.[/QUOTE] I'd wait for the P226, but I find PPS guns horribly ugly, so I'm a bit biased.

[QUOTE=massn7;20164099]I'd wait for the P226, but I find PPS guns horribly ugly, so I'm a bit biased.[/QUOTE] I think they seem kinda unique/cool, in that they are really compact and light. Looks like it'd be a fun toy considering ammo cost.

[QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan;20164177]I think they seem kinda unique/cool, in that they are really compact and light. Looks like it'd be a fun toy considering ammo cost.[/QUOTE] They definitely have that going for them, but I don't know... just something about them. I think it's how far the magazine is placed away from the trigger guard, it just seems too long to me. Nonetheless that'd be a really cool addition for your collection, but personally I'd get the 226 :)

[QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan;20163922]check it out: [url]http://www.centerfiresystems.com/pps43-pis.aspx[/url] They're new production (not made from surplus parts etc) and, from what I understand, the stocks are easy to reactivate (just dremel off the tack weld). I am seriously debating as to whether or not get this + SBR it or to keep on with my plan and wait for the topgunsupply Zurich P226s to come in.[/QUOTE] I'd rather it be made from surplus parts, those parts kits for those things are fucking beautiful, none were issued, most were never even fired. Plus the quality of the parts is very good. I highly doubt it's newly made anyway, no company would go through that much trouble then sell it for $350, has to be parts kits since they're like $70 a pop.

[QUOTE=mugofdoom;20164782]I'd rather it be made from surplus parts, those parts kits for those things are fucking beautiful, none were issued, most were never even fired. Plus the quality of the parts is very good. I highly doubt it's newly made anyway, no company would go through that much trouble then sell it for $350, has to be parts kits since they're like $70 a pop.[/QUOTE] it's made brand new from this company, which as far as I can tell is a reputable company: [url]http://www.ioinc.us/our-products?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=20&category_id=1[/url] They are probably built on vintage machinery or something, but they aren't entirely original since the action had to be completely redesigned to be legal. I think I will wait for reviews, because with it being closed-bolt the trigger location seems like it'd make for a real mushy pull due to the inevitable bullpup-style connector rods it probably uses. Who knows, maybe it will make a great budget carbine with a great/"workable" trigger.

[QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan;20164926]it's made brand new from this company, which as far as I can tell is a reputable company: [url]http://www.ioinc.us/our-products?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=20&category_id=1[/url] They are probably built on vintage machinery or something, but they aren't entirely original since the action had to be completely redesigned to be legal.[/QUOTE] I can tell you they aren't made on original machinery just from looking at the receiver, original receivers were one piece, this is two piece, so it's either connected a weird way or they redesigned the receiver (needlessly, seeing as the one piece receiver used by Wiselite Arms is perfectly legal)

[QUOTE=mugofdoom;20165041]I can tell you they aren't made on original machinery just from looking at the receiver, original receivers were one piece, this is two piece, so it's either connected a weird way or they redesigned the receiver (needlessly, seeing as the one piece receiver used by Wiselite Arms is perfectly legal)[/QUOTE] I wouldn't be so sure, every reference picture of a PPS43 I can find shows their takedown to be similar to that of an AR15, with an upper and lower receiver so to speak. [url]http://www.gunpics.net/russian/pps43/pps43dis.html[/url]

[url]http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=F1CSterling&groupid=12[/url] Now that, I'd kill for an SBR of one of those. [editline]07:35PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan;20165091]I wouldn't be so sure, every reference picture of a PPS43 I can find shows their takedown to be similar to that of an AR15, with an upper and lower receiver so to speak. [url]http://www.gunpics.net/russian/pps43/pps43dis.html[/url][/QUOTE] No, I mean the barrel jacket and the rear portion of the receiver are separate pieces. Look at the rivets near the barrel jacket, it's obviously a two piece receiver.

[QUOTE=mugofdoom;20165108][url]http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=F1CSterling&groupid=12[/url] Now that, I'd kill for an SBR of one of those. [editline]07:35PM[/editline] No, I mean the barrel jacket and the rear portion of the receiver are separate pieces. Look at the rivets near the barrel jacket, it's obviously a two piece receiver.[/QUOTE] Oh, I see what you mean now. Wouldn't that just validate the fact that they aren't made from kits, then? If anyone knows how to cheaply use WW2 era Russian designs, it's the Poles.

The few firearms they have on that site that are California legal it says they aren't (Saigas, Bulgarian Makarov, etc.) I sense yet another FFL that's royally pissed at CA's bullshit.

[QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan;20165188]Oh, I see what you mean now. Wouldn't that just validate the fact that they aren't made from kits, then? If anyone knows how to cheaply use WW2 era Russian designs, it's the Poles.[/QUOTE] I suppose, but they could just be using the barrel jacket from a kit and connecting it to their repair section, but I don't know. I really just don't trust IO Inc for various reasons. [editline]08:47PM[/editline] Just got this baby in today (someone traded it along with $200 for my STG-556), it's an H&R M1 Garand, made sometime between WW2 and the Korean War. It was bought from CMP a couple years ago (came with the papers and everything) and it's a "Correct Grade" rifle, as in all matching, near perfect condition, sometimes unissued. When I got it it still had the cosmoline in it, and it appears to have been fired very little, if at all. The sling was my own addition, pretty sure the US military used those slings for a period of time, not entirely sure though. It looks nice for a $5 sling in any case, same with the M1903A3 sling. [img_thumb]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1939265/Garand/IMG_0351.JPG[/img_thumb] [img_thumb]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1939265/Garand/IMG_0352.JPG[/img_thumb] [img_thumb]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1939265/Garand/IMG_0353.JPG[/img_thumb] [img_thumb]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1939265/Garand/IMG_0354.JPG[/img_thumb]

I'm thinking of obtaining a firearm once I turn 18 this summer. I've never shot any gun before, but they hold my interest as a hobby. My uncle has some rifles I might be able to shoot before I make my final decision. I was thinking about grabbing a Mosin Nagant, thoughts?

Get a rifle in .22LR as well. Ammo is always cheaper and easier to find. Always a good way to learn how to shoot.

[QUOTE=EagleEye;20167422]I'm thinking of obtaining a firearm once I turn 18 this summer. I've never shot any gun before, but they hold my interest as a hobby. My uncle has some rifles I might be able to shoot before I make my final decision. I was thinking about grabbing a Mosin Nagant, thoughts?[/QUOTE] Well there's nothing wrong with a good Moist Nugget, but you should really go for something light as your first rifle, a 10/22 is always recommended. Of course, with the price of Nuggets, you could easily afford a 10/22 (or other .22 rifle) and a Nugget and still have money left over for some ammo.

[QUOTE=Bean-O;20167467]Get a rifle in .22LR as well. Ammo is always cheaper and easier to find. Always a good way to learn how to shoot.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I was thinking about that. However I'm having enough trouble convincing my parents to let me buy one rifle, let alone 2. But I've got a good 5+ months to make my decision, and convince my parents, so I'll have some time to sort it out. [QUOTE]Well there's nothing wrong with a good Moist Nugget, but you should really go for something light as your first rifle, a 10/22 is always recommended. Of course, with the price of Nuggets, you could easily afford a 10/22 (or other .22 rifle) and a Nugget and still have money left over for some ammo.[/QUOTE] I don't know what rifles my uncle has, he might have something like that, I guess I'll have to check it out. Thanks. Also, it's not like I'll be shooting it all the time. I live in a really suburban area, and I don't know of any gun ranges around here (Guess I have to look first), but all my family members live out in the country where laws are much less strict.

[QUOTE=EagleEye;20167511]Yeah, I was thinking about that. However I'm having enough trouble convincing my parents to let me buy one rifle, let alone 2. But I've got a good 5+ months to make my decision, and convince my parents, so I'll have some time to sort it out. I don't know what rifles my uncle has, he might have something like that, I guess I'll have to check it out. Thanks. Also, it's not like I'll be shooting it all the time. I live in a really suburban area, and I don't know of any gun ranges around here (Guess I have to look first), but all my family members live out in the country where laws are much less strict.[/QUOTE] A moist nugget was the first rifle I bought back when I turned 18, I learned to shoot on that rifle and :love: it very much, like everyone is saying a .22 is a good starter rifle but it's not absolutely required, I much preferred learning on the Mosin as it's so incredibly SIMPLE, I learned how to completely take that rifle apart and clean it via a 2 minute demonstration me friend gave me the day I bought it, it was a rifle designed to be mass produced and used by a bunch of completely uneducated peasants, and it's a pretty decent way to get started if you don't mind the recoil.

Just get the a .22 for now, Mosins will still be around once you've learned to shoot proficiently on the .22.

[QUOTE=EagleEye;20167422]I'm thinking of obtaining a firearm once I turn 18 this summer. I've never shot any gun before, but they hold my interest as a hobby. My uncle has some rifles I might be able to shoot before I make my final decision. I was thinking about grabbing a Mosin Nagant, thoughts?[/QUOTE] All depends on how much shooting you think you'll actually do. Ammo is pretty expensive across the board and 22lr is really hard to find at least for me. Just get what ever makes you happy pretty much. Just understand that if it isn't a 22 it's going to be about a quarter a shot for anything else.

[QUOTE=EagleEye;20167422]I'm thinking of obtaining a firearm once I turn 18 this summer. I've never shot any gun before, but they hold my interest as a hobby. My uncle has some rifles I might be able to shoot before I make my final decision. I was thinking about grabbing a Mosin Nagant, thoughts?[/QUOTE] Ruger 10/22

7.62x54R ammo is pretty easy to find, plus you wouldn't be shooting it as much as opposed to if you got a .22LR, Back when I bought my mosin I got a case of 440 rounds (which you can get for around 80-90$ if you look in the right places) it took me almost a year to shoot through that one case.

Any suggestions for a .22?

[QUOTE=EagleEye;20178042]Any suggestions for a .22?[/QUOTE] Ruger 10/22

[QUOTE=DrMortician;20173831]All depends on how much shooting you think you'll actually do. Ammo is pretty expensive across the board and 22lr is really hard to find at least for me. Just get what ever makes you happy pretty much. Just understand that if it isn't a 22 it's going to be about a quarter a shot for anything else.[/QUOTE] There are a few ammo options that are more affordable than that, for ex. a 9MM carbine or AK74

[QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan;20180211]There are a few ammo options that are more affordable than that, for ex. a 9MM carbine or AK74[/QUOTE] AK-74 and Tokarev rounds are almost as cheap as .22LR but with Tokarev it's corrosive and with both you need to look around to find it that cheap. That and it's still going to cost you more.

Where do you guys get your ammo? A week or so ago academy had a sale on .223 steel ammo for 3.99 for 20 rounds. Dad and I bought 15 things of those. Also another place is collins cartridge company. Look them up. I think they are pretty cheap. No more carters country cause they are overpriced.

[QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan;20180211]There are a few ammo options that are more affordable than that, for ex. a 9MM carbine or AK74[/QUOTE] Reminds me, I want a 5.45 upper for my AR15. I love that round too, plus it's dirt cheap. [editline]02:23PM[/editline] [QUOTE=ubertaco;20184186]Where do you guys get your ammo? A week or so ago academy had a sale on .223 steel ammo for 3.99 for 20 rounds. Dad and I bought 15 things of those. Also another place is collins cartridge company. Look them up. I think they are pretty cheap. No more carters country cause they are overpriced.[/QUOTE] Usually online. [url]http://georgia-arms.com/[/url] For most of my ammo. For oddball stuff they're the cheapest there is, I'm shooting .45gap for what .40S&W used to cost about 4 years ago. Cabelas for 5.7x28mm And locally for 5.56mm.

Anyone have experience with teflon finishes? How do they hold up? Are they very good finishes in general? For the purposes of the question, I'll say that I'm not refinishing anything so I'm not interested in any alternative finishes.

[QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan;20202268]Anyone have experience with teflon finishes? How do they hold up? Are they very good finishes in general? For the purposes of the question, I'll say that I'm not refinishing anything so I'm not interested in any alternative finishes.[/QUOTE] Well glock's finish is a teflon like stuff, as well as robar's NP3. It really doesn't require much lubrication and it's going to hold up a lot better against holster wear.

Milsurp fans, AIM Surplus has some Bulgarian [url=http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=F1MakBulg]Makarovs[/url] in stock. God I hate Australia.