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How is the target Mini compared to other 5.56 guns? How much more accurate is it than the NRA version? (I see you have both)

that arquebus owns, as well as the webley too bad none of your guns are practical though :smug:

[QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan;20272042] too bad none of your guns are practical though :smug:[/QUOTE] Lolol, you fuckin troll you.

[QUOTE=Bean-O;20271644]How is the target Mini compared to other 5.56 guns? How much more accurate is it than the NRA version? (I see you have both)[/QUOTE] I like to refer to the Mini Carbine as a perfect analogue to the WWII M1 Carbine, they both weigh about the same and offer the same accuracy and recoil, on top of being a very reliable gun, with a bonus of cheaper, more readily available ammo than .30 Carbine. With the Target, you can fine tune that gun to split a hair if you wanted to, but it weighs about twice as much (But that's not necessarily a bad thing unless you want to try and shoot it offhand for some reason). They're both used as pest control for a nearby racetrack that has grown tired of their whistle pig population though so I generally only bring them out during the spring and summer. [QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan;20272042]that arquebus owns, as well as the webley too bad none of your guns are practical though :smug:[/QUOTE] Yeah I know, I've been loading that Cap n' ball revolver for about 10 years now, I think I'll be able to shoot it next month. [url=http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=806255]You can see a bunch of pictures of the Matchlock being made over here too.[/url]

[QUOTE=DrMortician;20269477]And I see a bunch of bolt action rifles and relic/curio pieces, with only 1 solid lightweight carbine, and 1 heavy old handgun. Certainly not much there I'd want to have to carry for any extended amount of time, except for the underfold AK. For a collector, it's a solid collection, really lacking a shotgun though. I'd recommend a winchester M1897. You also really need a 1911.[/QUOTE] The two AK's, the Garand, the SKS, the Colt 604, the Walther P1 and the FN M1900 (once I get a new main spring for it) are all fully functional, reliable and practical weapons. Just because no military uses them anymore (besides the AK's and the Colt 604) doesn't mean they won't do their job just fine. If you ever held the M70 Underfolder AK, you'd change your mind really quickly, it weighs a metric fuckton compared to say, the Colt 604 or even the other AK 47. [QUOTE=GunFox;20269670]Jesus, you don't need a vintage shotgun design. Just get a Remington 870. They are nigh indestructible and have so many accessories geared towards them that you will undoubtedly find a combination that suits you. Not to mention the 870 is modern enough to sport modern polymer parts where useful. As far as pump actions go, you won't do much better.[/QUOTE] Eugh, I'd much, much rather have an M97 Trench Gun. [QUOTE=Gubbinz96;20269756]but i wrike my mossberg 500 :frown: [editline]01:06PM[/editline] Is that a Lee Enfield Mk III I spy there?[/QUOTE] It's an Enfield 2A, Indian copy of the Enfield No I Mk III in 7.62 NATO. I'm probably going to sell it to fund a real No 1 Mk III though. [QUOTE=Sgt Doom;20270598]What's that one rifle above the Lee-Enfield? EDIT: Nevermind, it's a Gewehr 88, isn't it?[/QUOTE] Yep.

[QUOTE=mugofdoom;20275102]The two AK's, the Garand, the SKS, the Colt 604, the Walther P1 and the FN M1900 (once I get a new main spring for it) are all fully functional, reliable and practical weapons. Just because no military uses them anymore (besides the AK's and the Colt 604) doesn't mean they won't do their job just fine. If you ever held the M70 Underfolder AK, you'd change your mind really quickly, it weighs a metric fuckton compared to say, the Colt 604 or even the other AK 47. Eugh, I'd much, much rather have an M97 Trench Gun. It's an Enfield 2A, Indian copy of the Enfield No I Mk III in 7.62 NATO. I'm probably going to sell it to fund a real No 1 Mk III though. Yep.[/QUOTE] The Trench gun is much more bad ass, and you can't slam fire (most) modern shotguns.

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;20275996]The Trench gun is much more bad ass, and you can't slam fire (most) modern shotguns.[/QUOTE] Indeed.

[QUOTE=Bean-O;20271644]How is the target Mini compared to other 5.56 guns? How much more accurate is it than the NRA version? (I see you have both)[/QUOTE] I'd love a mini now after playing with one for a bit. I think I may actually prefer it to an AR15 if I just wanted something simple that I was going to be traveling with a lot. I think I'd grab a mini 30 and throw an aimpoint on it, and call it a day with a bag full of factory 20 rounders. Wish they made one in 5.45 as strange as it sounds, but it'd be the ultimate in light weight/affordability. Or maybe one in a pistol caliber. [editline]07:06PM[/editline] [QUOTE=RR_Raptor65;20272487]I like to refer to the Mini Carbine as a perfect analogue to the WWII M1 Carbine, they both weigh about the same and offer the same accuracy and recoil, on top of being a very reliable gun, with a bonus of cheaper, more readily available ammo than .30 Carbine. With the Target, you can fine tune that gun to split a hair if you wanted to, but it weighs about twice as much (But that's not necessarily a bad thing unless you want to try and shoot it offhand for some reason). They're both used as pest control for a nearby racetrack that has grown tired of their whistle pig population though so I generally only bring them out during the spring and summer. [/QUOTE] I'd also really love one of the newer M1 carbines that they've come out with. Super light weight, and a really underrated round, it's pretty similar in power to a .357 magnum.

Don't buy one of those new M1 Carbines, they're trash. Get a real Carbine if you want one. I do love my Carbine though, easily one of my favorite guns and the one I'm best with. It's one of those guns I can shoot without really thinking about it.

[QUOTE=DrMortician;20276940] I'd also really love one of the newer M1 carbines that they've come out with. Super light weight, and a really underrated round, it's pretty similar in power to a .357 magnum.[/QUOTE] I wonder what would happen if someone would make an M1 in .357 Magnum. I'd buy it, provided it works of course.

[QUOTE=Bean-O;20280913]I wonder what would happen if someone would make an M1 in .357 Magnum. I'd buy it, provided it works of course.[/QUOTE] Provided the ammo is cheap. Speaking of .357, dad found like 20 black talons for .357.

[QUOTE=Bean-O;20280913]I wonder what would happen if someone would make an M1 in .357 Magnum. I'd buy it, provided it works of course.[/QUOTE] I've heard about people smithing up Garands to use rounds like that. It's a travesty, but doable, unless you mean the M1 carbine. You can probably get it to work just the same provided the action can withstand the pressure. What are these new production M1 carbines everyone is talking about, why would you possibly want a new production m1 when you can get an original for around the same price with some searching/patience

[QUOTE=Gubbinz96;20269756]but i wrike my mossberg 500 :frown: [/QUOTE] The Mossberg 500 is also a totally acceptable shotty right up there with the 870. :) [editline]02:15AM[/editline] [QUOTE=mugofdoom;20275102] Eugh, I'd much, much rather have an M97 Trench Gun. [/QUOTE] Why? The 870 beats it in nearly every possible category.

[QUOTE=Bean-O;20280913]I wonder what would happen if someone would make an M1 in .357 Magnum. I'd buy it, provided it works of course.[/QUOTE] It's always a bit of a trick to convert a semi-auto to take a rimmed round. The only problem is, .30carbine is easier to come by right now, much cheaper, and isn't really any less powerful. So it'd be kinda silly.

That matchlock musket looks awesome. Wonder how easy it would be to get one like that over here, i'm rather fascinated by older firearms (anything pre-20th)

You could always buy a custom made one from me. There's also The Rifle Shoppe and a Canadian manufacturer that I can remember the name of, but they just use Indian made Brown Bess barrels. TRS uses Colerain barrels like I do though. Matchlocks are kind of a rarity these days as you might imagine.

Ok, so here are photo's of the effect of a 5.56 round to human flesh. Obviously if you're not some douchebag MW2 gamer that thinks "223 iZ pOoPy cause NaVy SeAl SaY So oN fUtUrE wEaPoNz" you know that the twist rate in the barrel of most AR's/M-16's/M4's is 1/7 which means it makes one twist every 7 inches. This makes it unstable as soon as it hits a hard surface and makes the round tumble creating a cavity the size of a basketball for less than a second. WARNING: VERY GRAPHIC. [url]http://www.timawa.net/forum/index.php?topic=17111.0[/url]

New stock for the Ruger, absolutely love it. [IMG]http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h4/timebmb757/P1020029.jpg[/IMG] God the flash made the action and barrel look white. Its actually dark gray.

I'm thinking about getting an AR-15 with burst fire and a rail system on top for attachments, thoughts?

[QUOTE=Lazy Cake;20288716]I'm thinking about getting an AR-15 with burst fire [/QUOTE] Good luck getting a Class III license. Edit: [QUOTE=evilking1;20288850]I'd get a heartbeat sensor and silencer for it.[/QUOTE] Damn. Totally should have responded with this. Curse my slow wit.

[QUOTE=Lazy Cake;20288716]I'm thinking about getting an AR-15 with burst fire and a rail system on top for attachments, thoughts?[/QUOTE] I'd get a heartbeat sensor and silencer for it.

[QUOTE=Lazy Cake;20288716]I'm thinking about getting an AR-15 with burst fire and a rail system on top for attachments, thoughts?[/QUOTE] Thoughts: You're not actually going to get one.

I'd personally love to have an M1-Garand or a K98 as I'm a WWII buff. Being 17 doesn't help that though, although I can guarantee that I will be getting a concealed carry permit at when I turn 18. Any suggestions on what handgun I should buy? Something that functions good but won't kill me money wise.

[QUOTE=massn7;20252387]lol[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Zatharon;20256531]:Dawkins102:[/QUOTE] Dear insensitive idiots - I know what a POSP looks like - I own one. That's not a real POSP scope, it's a chinese knockoff. You can tell by the matte black finish (Belorussian scopes either have a grey speckled finish or a shiny black), lack of markings (BELOMO don't make unmarked scopes), lack of interchangeable mounting bracket, lack of a cover over the illumination switch and the switch has a white endcap instead of a rubber boot. For comparison, Real POSP w/SVD mount - [URL=http://img198.imageshack.us/i/posp4x241600.jpg/][IMG]http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/1843/posp4x241600.jpg[/IMG][/URL] Chinese knockoff found on many an airsoft site - [URL=http://img198.imageshack.us/i/ak20svd20rifle20scope.jpg/][IMG]http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/6060/ak20svd20rifle20scope.jpg[/IMG][/URL] Rifle I was originally referring to in this thread - [img]http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/9729/66618308.png[/img] As you can see, it has a chinese knockoff scope on it. Now, please retract those dumb ratings :) On a serious note though - how well does it stand up to being mounted on a real rifle? does it hold zero well?

[QUOTE=Timebomb757;20288828]Good luck getting a Class III license.[/QUOTE] You don't need a Class III license to get a restricted gun. Class III is for dealers not buyers, so unless you want to sell automatics you just waste a lot of money. If you have a local Class III dealer then just fill out the paperwork and be patient. If you're trying to buy a gun from outside your local area then you'll need to find a Class III dealer for the gun to be shipped to first, they can't just send it directly to you.

[QUOTE=Lazy Cake;20288716]I'm thinking about getting an AR-15 with burst fire and a rail system on top for attachments, thoughts?[/QUOTE] Yes one thought comes to mind: :toot:

[QUOTE=Fragmatic;20290373]Dear insensitive idiots - I know what a POSP looks like - I own one. That's not a real POSP scope, it's a chinese knockoff. You can tell by the matte black finish (Belorussian scopes either have a grey speckled finish or a shiny black), lack of markings (BELOMO don't make unmarked scopes), lack of interchangeable mounting bracket, lack of a cover over the illumination switch and the switch has a white endcap instead of a rubber boot. Now, please retract those dumb ratings :) On a serious note though - how well does it stand up to being mounted on a real rifle? does it hold zero well?[/QUOTE] He is right, none of the variants I know of, or can locate, look like that. Not even the cheap Chinese type JJJ (Though the JJJ is that ugly ass matte black) It's a toy scope.

[QUOTE=EurofanBMW;20288217]Ok, so here are photo's of the effect of a 5.56 round to human flesh. Obviously if you're not some douchebag MW2 gamer that thinks "223 iZ pOoPy cause NaVy SeAl SaY So oN fUtUrE wEaPoNz" you know that the twist rate in the barrel of most AR's/M-16's/M4's is 1/7 which means it makes one twist every 7 inches. This makes it unstable as soon as it hits a hard surface and makes the round tumble creating a cavity the size of a basketball for less than a second. WARNING: VERY GRAPHIC. [URL]http://www.timawa.net/forum/index.php?topic=17111.0[/URL][/QUOTE] Even so I'm not entirely sold. I don't know if a 5.56 round can do that consistently and at what range (in this case the range was within arm's reach, a shooting courtesy of a drunk cop) [QUOTE=Lazy Cake;20288716]I'm thinking about getting an AR-15 with burst fire and a rail system on top for attachments, thoughts?[/QUOTE] A rifle with a 3 round burst counts as a machine gun by US law. Therefore you're stuck with pre 1986 registered guns which will cost you 10,000$+, personally if I wanted an AR with the three round burst I'd save 9,000$ and go with a semi-automatic only.

[QUOTE=Bean-O;20292312]Even so I'm not entirely sold. I don't know if a 5.56 round can do that consistently and at what range (in this case the range was within arm's reach, a shooting courtesy of a drunk cop)[/QUOTE] The wound is rather superficial and was from an extremely close range. Instead of all that energy being exerted onto the muscular tissue it got exerted on the skin which splitted with ease. What surprises me though is that it managed to shatter his femur from hydrostatic shock. A relatively lucky (or should I say unlucky) hit.

[QUOTE=Bean-O;20292312]Even so I'm not entirely sold. I don't know if a 5.56 round can do that consistently and at what range (in this case the range was within arm's reach, a shooting courtesy of a drunk cop) [/QUOTE] I'm not sold either. I've shot boars and deer with .223s before, no such damage (to be fair, boars have pretty thick hides as is, and the mud they love to roll in gets caked on nice and hard) . I've seen countless photographs of 5.56 wounds from over in Iraq and A-stan. The wounds are characteristic of the round : small entry points with a slightly larger malformed exit wound. KenWayX (or some shit like that), from another forum, was a US Army Infantryman who served and saw combat in Iraq, he was most outspoken about the failings of the 5.56x45 cartridge as a combat round. He felt 7.62x51 round was much more reliable in stopping insurgents hopped up on amphetamines and god knows what else. He was also in one of the few lucky infantry units that got one or so M14 EBRs per squad due to major demand. [editline]12:53AM[/editline] That said, 7.62x51mm isn't a exactly a low velocity cartridge. It's a big fucker, and it's still flying like a bat out of hell.