[QUOTE=Heroms;22008094]Sure is impolite and sexist in here.
Give her a chance, we all had to start somewhere.[/QUOTE]
How is it sexist in here? Well, in this thread in general. Some people are being a little impolite, but mostly people are being realistic, her art just isn't good enough to sell yet. Everyone could do with a bit of perspective now and again.
Look, if you don't want to buy anything, that's fine, but you don't have to discuss it. It isn't unrealistic for me to sell my art, sometimes people choose to buy far simpler things, like those that are "cute" and "chibi." Which, btw, I can do too.
Your style is interesting at least, but it feels too cartoony and basic. There's a lack of detail and lighting in some of your art. There's nothing striking me as visually exciting.
From here, it just seems like your average day Deviantart. Try to develop a style that's visually striking and really makes you think "Wow".
I only want requests posted, not needless critiques.
[QUOTE=Blackchimera;22009360]I only want requests posted, not needless critiques.[/QUOTE]
I've read a few of your comments on deviant and you really seem to hate criticism. Take it easy, not everyone's out to get you. :tinfoil:
Criticism can never be needless or pointless.
Criticism helps you improve, and if you really want to start taking art seriously and get better at it, so perhaps one day you'll be selling your work in the four digits range, you are going to have to learn to take criticism and apply it to your work.
People often take it the wrong way and think people are just being mean or picking at all the smallest details, but you really gotta understand that it'll only help you.
A common misconception is that the person criticizing has to be able to draw better than the person they are criticizing. This is entirely not true and isn't even applicable to today's world,
the critique does not cook better than the chef.
I know you only want requests in this thread, and I am sorry, but I wanted to get this out.
Your art is great and can only get better. You have great potential and I know you will succeed with whatever you set your mind to, good luck! :3:
[QUOTE=GreenDolphin;21993340]Guys please try to not rip this new user apart. BlackChimera is obviously new here.
Also I love your artwork. You're very good and have major future potential in your art. I guess I would probably like to ask for a commission.[/QUOTE]
Isn't BlackChimera your girlfriend?
Don't you think it's a bit disingenuous to try and mislead people here into buying from her by pretending not to be?
It is really discouraging to see an artist who is incapable of taking criticism. They always seem to plateau :(
I hate it mostly because I get shit critique from people who only seem to have the intent of hurting my feelings. I already don't like people in general.
I've been told this bit about critique time and again, and while I do agree that you get better by learning from crits, (most don't realize that I do accept constructive crit) I will never accept critique from people who can't draw or don't specify what they deem as "off"(ie: comments that just say my art "isn't good enough" or "shouldn't be paid for", etc.)
I like you though, Heroms, so if you ever want to commission something, you may.
@ Kenton: I accept CONSTRUCTIVE critiques that give kind and reasonable guiding advice that details ways for me to improve. Greendolphin is not my bf.
[QUOTE=Blackchimera;22009920]I hate it mostly because I get shit critique from people who only seem to have the intent of hurting my feelings. I already don't like people in general. [/quote]
I think that's probably because you come across as confrontational and superior right from the get go. I don't think anybody here (well, apart from the odd troll) really wants to hurt your feelings, but there are ways of presenting yourself that don't get up the nose of other artists here.
[QUOTE=Blackchimera;22009920]@ Kenton: I accept CONSTRUCTIVE critiques that give kind and reasonable guiding advice that details ways for me to improve. Greendolphin is not my bf.[/QUOTE]
He's not? What about this:
[IMG]http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j311/piscator_robotico/greend.png[/IMG]
I don't want to be a dick or anything, really, but it kind of seems like someone is trying to pull the wool over our eyes :(
Anyway, best of luck to you. I'll leave you to it.
[QUOTE=Blackchimera;22009360]I only want requests posted, not needless critiques.[/QUOTE]
Then your in the wrong place. your posting in a forum, a forum made for discussion. this particular forum is made for show and tell and constructive criticism, so that we may show our progress and get the help we need to get better.
At no point should ANY artist refuse to accept criticism, ESPECIALLY when you make a thread trying to sell art and people give you good reasons why they don't want to buy it. Just writing those comments off on the grounds that it's just not what you want to hear is incredibly foolish and to make up the reason that "it's just your style" and that your an "extremely good artist" is both naive and unprofessional.
I agree that you art is not good enough yet to sell. thats not to say you don't have potential to be a good artist. but you really have to learn to accept criticism and actually strive to be better.
The main problem you have is your attitude, people would be MUCH more likely to buy from you if you were a little more pleasant and understanding.
There's not much room for defensiveness in art.
OKay then. I'll be "nice" and "quiet". If you want to buy something, please pm me and I will post only updates concerning the orders here.
[QUOTE=Blackchimera;22009920]I hate it mostly because I get shit critique from people who only seem to have the intent of hurting my feelings. I already don't like people in general.
I've been told this bit about critique time and again, and while I do agree that you get better by learning from crits, (most don't realize that I do accept constructive crit) I will never accept critique from people who can't draw or don't specify what they deem as "off"(ie: comments that just say my art "isn't good enough" or "shouldn't be paid for", etc.)
I like you though, Heroms, so if you ever want to commission something, you may.
@ Kenton: I accept CONSTRUCTIVE critiques that give kind and reasonable guiding advice that details ways for me to improve. Greendolphin is not my bf.[/QUOTE]
Your point that "I only take criticism from people who can draw" isn't a very good way to go about improving. They may not be able to draw, but does that make them any worse at critiquing your art? A film critic may not be able to direct but he can still offer advice on how to improve films. Why should this situation be any different? Many people have the ability the spot problems with images, which can be a huge help - I often ask my friends for advice, even though they are not as good as I am (no offence intended to them of course) and most of the time they are right, and my work is improved.
Just because a person cannot do something, does not mean they cannot give you advice on how to improve.
And to your second point - "it's not good enough to sell" is, in my opinion, just as good a comment as "the brush strokes aren't well defined" because it is just a general, overall comment - that the standard of work needs to improve, everything about the work just needs a facelift - I don't mean to discourage you, but I agree with the people saying this. I see a lot better quality work coming from DA which sells at the same price, in order to succeed at selling your work you need to stand out from the crowd and this work, sadly, does not.
That's not to say you can't bring it up to that standard though - just keep going, apply advice given by others,[I] whether they are as skilled, more skilled or of the same skill as you.
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[QUOTE=kenton;22010234]I think that's probably because you come across as confrontational and superior right from the get go. I don't think anybody here (well, apart from the odd troll) really wants to hurt your feelings, but there are ways of presenting yourself that don't get up the nose of other artists here.
He's not? What about this:
[IMG]http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j311/piscator_robotico/greend.png[/IMG]
I don't want to be a dick or anything, really, but it kind of seems like someone is trying to pull the wool over our eyes :(
Anyway, best of luck to you. I'll leave you to it.[/QUOTE]
Ouch.
postin in a blackchimera thread
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[QUOTE=RedPanda;22010318]
The main problem you have is your attitude, people would be MUCH more likely to buy from you if you were a little more pleasant and understanding.
There's not much room for defensiveness in art.[/QUOTE]
Also, agreed with this point. You come across as stubborn, and people who want you to do things to their specifications aren't going to pay you to do work for them if they think you will turn around and say "well no, I won't do that", because it's $10 they'll never see again.
And to re-iterate my point: You should always accept criticism and apply what you have learned from WHOEVER gives it because it is the only way to improve.
Even after I banned johanz for pretty much trolling via lack-of-constructive criticism, you people are still at it. I'm locking the thread if you idiots can't behave. Chimera will take any questions regarding commissions via PM, and if anyone continues this assault on her abilities by PM'ing her, they're getting a week's ban.
Constructive criticism is helpful, not demeaning, and you guys are just arguing to argue at this point. So what if she can't take criticism, the points being brought up aren't in the least something I'd take lightly if they were directed at myself.
whoops, closed the thread on this guy's face. adding it in-
[quote=hayate]Hey, first of all and most important, critism isn't personal! If the critisizer makes it personal, then the joke's on them. Laugh it up, ignore and carry on knowing that they're wasting their own time!
The key to being a succesfull artist is being able to give and take critism. It helps you improve in more ways than you can ever imagine. It's actually something you have to be very grateful of for receiving! Praise and glory is nice for your ego - if you're into that, but it will not make you improve that much; you end up doing the same thing every time. That's tunnel vision basically, and you have to get out of that because it will not do you any good!
Personally I think your work is good and I think you're on your way to becoming a great artist, you definitely show that you have the potential by being willing to sell your work and showing it to strangers. I really hope you start realizing that critism is vital to being succesfull, no matter how painfull it can be some times. [/quote]
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