The Messiahcule: or "How I learned to stop thinking and follow Jesus" - General

[QUOTE=Rebi;30482271]Many people on this thread and overall forum don't believe in religion. As most people on this thread are atheists. Does being neutral make me know less about religion than someone who believes in the exact opposite of it? Also, beliefs don't really have an effect on what a person knows a lot about, and doesn't know a lot about.[/QUOTE] That's not what he's on about. He's just mad that people say "believe in religion" instead of saying "believing in Allah, Shiva", for some reason.

They said I could be anything I wanted. So I became a Nihilist.

[QUOTE=Chrille;30482351]That's not what he's on about. He's just mad that people say "believe in religion" instead of saying "believing in Allah, Shiva", for some reason.[/QUOTE] I don't give a SHIT about God, and I don't expect God to give a shit about us either because obviously he doesn't. Just for the sake of argument I mean. All crimes and wars and whatever badness there is, that's on us. Initially religion only tried to stop with all the madness in this world (mind you that it was even worse back in the day) so we wouldn't have to worry about some senseless fucking violence. Why don't you see it that way? Why do you want to just argue about God when his existence (or NON EXISTENCE) is the [b]LEAST[/b] of our concerns?

I guess on the scale above, I would be very religious, although I would disagree with the term. Religion to me is a bunch of man made rules, regardless of whatever faith someone subscribes to. Whether it's the Christian faith and the churches failure to distinguish between the Old Covenant and New Covenant of God and therefore attempt to impose Old Covenant Law on a New Covenant People (tithing, confession, sabbath keeping etc), or Islamic faith and their Five Pillars or Buddhism and it's pacificism and other teachings - all of those rules are simply man made in an attempt to make ourselves appear good to the God we worship. I am a Christian, I used to be an Fundamental Baptist Christian. You know, the kind that stands on the corner of the street handing out tracts saying "If you were to die tonight are you 100% sure you are going to heaven", and then I'd bust out the megaphone. I ditched all that a few years ago and am just kind of searching now. I'm convinced that Jesus is the truth, but I am not convinced that what claims to be Christianity today is the truth, whether Catholic, Protestant or any other flavour - too much condemnation, judgment, and fear, both aimed at unbelievers and believers (ie, the unbelievers get told "don't do this or go to hell" and never hear about God's great redemption, and the believers get told "don't do this or God will hate you" and just end up fearing the one that supposedly saved them - nearly everything in modern christianity revolves around fear, when the Bible says "perfect love casts out all fear". So I see an issue with how many modern denominations present God's goodness and grace - most churches present a list of do's and don'ts, and if you do good, you get good, and if do bad, you get beat). Probably not the thread to discuss it all in. On topic: I think it's odd when people use stuff like this to "prove" Christianity (not that the OP is doing that). I think it is interesting, and as a Christian, I think "that's pretty cool, it's like Jesus has put a little sign into all His creation". But that's about as far as I'd take it. I definitely wouldn't stand up and say "I have proof for God" and then show someone this.

fuck this shit, snip.

[QUOTE=Master117;30418066]The ignorance in this guy makes me angry. The molecular biologist is probably laughing his ass off though, knowing he successfully trolled a bunch of ignorant Christians. Also atheists are just as bad as extremist religious people in my opinion. Why do I say this? Well, atheists seem to have this raging fire against religious people because they claim they are "100 percent sure there is a God," however, from an atheist's point of view cannot come up with any logical evidence to support their statement. Atheists say that they are "100 percent sure that there is no God." Funny, because to me, no atheist has been able to give me any logical or quantifiable evidence why their answer is infallible. To me, both these statements are based on pure faith since they cannot be proven one way or another. "You can't prove a negative" is what an atheist will retort with. Well, what the fuck, what is that supposed to mean? Are you trying to say that since it can't be proven it's true, then it's automatically false? Why is that? That's not exactly how it works, you know. Just because something cannot be proven to be true does not automatically make it false. I cannot empirically prove that a bird landed on my balcony today. I have no evidence whatsoever besides the fact that [I]I[/I] saw it. No one else would have been able to see it based on where it landed. Does that mean that a bird did not land on my balcony to someone who did not see it happen? This can be made into a sort of an analogy for religious people. Let's say a religious person claimed to have witnessed an act of God. No one else saw it but them. To them, what they saw was real and true. They can't prove it since it left no outstanding mark on the world, but did it really happen? Yes. To them it did. Another one. A tree falls in the woods, and yet no one is there to hear it. Does it make a sound? Well, based on [I]what we [B]currently[/B] know as fact[/I] that movement and collisions within an atmosphere will generate fluctuations in air pressure which can be perceived as sound, and because the tree moved within the atmosphere and collided with another object, we can conclude that it generated a sound. This is deductive reasoning. The funny thing about deductive reasoning is it is not always correct, and since no one was actually there to witness such event, we don't know for 100 percent fact that the tree falling did in fact make a sound. "But there is scientific evidence that a sound would occur based on the situation." Sure, there is evidence to construed such a conclusion, but evidence does not equal fact. I personally don't consider myself a religious person. I claim to be a person who simply does not know, and probably never will. I can't tell you if there is or is not a God because I have not observed any outstanding evidence that shows whether there is one, or is not one. What I can tell you, however, is that it does not fucking matter whether you believe in a higher being or not. As long as you're not trying to [I]force[/I] your views and beliefs down others throats, or wish violence or death upon those who disagree with your beliefs, then it should be a non-issue. We all need to learn to co-exist and get along. Seriously, I'm getting sick of this massive dick-waving contest we call religious debate.[/QUOTE] Atheist doesn't mean "person who claims there is no god" it means "person who doesn't believe in god". I'm an agnostic atheist, I don't personally believe in god but that doesn't mean I claim there's not one.

Looks like a lowercase t to me

Too many Strangelove references lately, its beginning to hurt my head!

Some of the comments on the facebook page make me sick [img]http://i.imgur.com/ncczF.png[/img]

[QUOTE=GoldenBullet;30415352]There are extremists on both sides which are very bad examples for both parties.[/QUOTE] agnostic master race

[QUOTE=BLOODGA$M;30487368]Some of the comments on the facebook page make me sick [img]http://i.imgur.com/ncczF.png[/img][/QUOTE] Authority? No.. a Christian should be equipped to take love, grace, peace, mercy, compassion, understanding and hope to non-believers. Not authority and condemnation and judgment. And yet, as a Christian, I am aware that Christians, or anybody, are not perfect people and do fail at representing the God we claim to know.

[QUOTE=Unbanned User;30487797]agnostic master race[/QUOTE] We Militant Norse could win over you any day, heretic.