A Female Solider Fights a US Marine - General

[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;43341476][B]sexual dismorphism will certainly matter when it comes to entering the army[/B], but in day-to-day life the differences don't really deserve to be considered [/QUOTE] Well then this entire argument is stupid. The two sides are viewing it with two different perspectives. The pro-biotruths people are speaking with regards to things like the military. The anti-biotruths people are speaking with regards to things like office jobs. Both sides are right. The debate is pointless when you're not both speaking about the same thing.

[QUOTE=Kylel999;43341721]Males are evolved to fight and protect. Females are evolved to conceive and reproduce.[/QUOTE] "evolved"

[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;43346171]"evolved"[/QUOTE] Are you saying that evolution is a hoax?

[QUOTE=SuddenImpact;43346517]Are you saying that evolution is a hoax?[/QUOTE] No, clearly men and women are the exact same in every way, shape, and form besides genetalia, and human variance is so great that one of your so-called scientific "averages" is useless! I AM WOMYN HEAR ME ROAR

The extreme-users who refuse to believe there are any biological differences between men and women (besides vag and penis) and just attribute all to "society" often coincidentally have body-dysphoria issues themselves. It's easy to just place the blame on society than their self or act as if they're ~rebelling from roles imposed by society~ when they have deeper issues that need to be addressed.

[QUOTE=katbug;43347458]No, clearly men and women are the exact same in every way, shape, and form besides genetalia, and human variance is so great that one of your so-called scientific "averages" is useless! I AM WOMYN HEAR ME ROAR[/QUOTE] Tee hee get owned MaxofSTD!!!! u just de[I]stroyed[/I] everything he believes in you should replace him as mod because he's obviously too much of a bitch [editline]29th December 2013[/editline] lol xd womyn what morons *Wheeze* [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Shitposting" - MaxOfS2D))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=katbug;43347458]I AM WOMYN HEAR ME ROAR[/QUOTE] What a great way to be taken seriously.

[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;43341476]sexual dismorphism will certainly matter when it comes to entering the army, but in day-to-day life the differences don't really deserve to be considered [editline]29th December 2013[/editline] on statistical average, males do have an advantage (testosterone plays a big role in muscles IIRC). however the real world isn't made up of averages...[/QUOTE] Statistics: Only matter when you present them. Obviously using statistics about strength in such a conversation is an attempt to call all women weak kitchen dwellers and men strong businessmen, just like rape statistics make all men rapists and all women innocent victims, right? A weak male? Or a male that has trouble sleeping at night due to memories of coerced sex? A stong female? Or a female predator? Nonsense

[QUOTE=TheTalon;43343927]I think there's a fucking TON of women that think they can stand toe to toe with anyone. Until they get their ass beat that one time. That's not to say there can't be women who can, there are, but a lot of them have that mentality when they clearly couldn't. It's weird[/QUOTE] there's a ton of men who feel the exact same way? [editline]30th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Starpluck;43347522]The extreme-users who refuse to believe there are any biological differences between men and women (besides vag and penis) and just attribute all to "society" often coincidentally have body-dysphoria issues themselves. It's easy to just place the blame on society than their self or act as if they're ~rebelling from roles imposed by society~ when they have deeper issues that need to be addressed.[/QUOTE] lol is that right

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43351896] lol is that right[/QUOTE] Yeah. Ignoring the differing reproductive organs, if you unequivocally deny [U]any[/U] differences between the two sexes in light of academic evidence, I'm not going to be surprised that your profile links leads to a Furaffinity account or anything else indicative of a self-image problem. To deny [URL="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8477683"]backed[/URL]-[URL="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8477683"]biology[/URL] is either out of extremely stupidity or just a vain attempt to rationalize their own dysphoria. There are arguments on the invalidity of social roles which are legitimate and is not what I'm addressing.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;43352008]Yeah. Ignoring the differing reproductive organs, if you unequivocally deny [U]any[/U] differences between the two sexes in light of academic evidence, I'm not going to be surprised that your profile links leads to a Furaffinity account or anything else indicative of a self-image problem. To deny biology is either to be extremely stupid or just a vain attempt to rationalize their own dysphoria.[/QUOTE] i don't think there is anyone that unequivocally denies any difference between the sexes, i think there are people that dispute the cause of these differences though, and rather than it being a vain attempt to rationalize their own dysphoria i think you're just trying to insult or make fun of people. i don't think i've even seen anyone who's profile links to furaffinity, let alone these 'extreme-users' but then again i guess i've never seen them either [editline]30th December 2013[/editline] the problem is these differences are used as a justification for social roles, okay so males are on average stronger than females, so what? that doesn't change that it is the individual that should be judged on their merits and not their sex.

Pay more attention: [QUOTE=milkandcooki;43341471][B]i've yet to see an argument that proves that your biological sex somehow affects your potential [/B]or how strong you ~naturally~ are. there are so many differences between people, like their weight, their metabolism, and all that other bullshit that arguments like "if X man and Y woman have the same diet and work out at the same time, man X will [I]always[/I] get stronger" don't hold water at all.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=milkandcooki;43341348][B]~biotruths~ don't affect how strong somebody can become at all[/B]. it's all social bullshit.[/QUOTE] [editline]29th December 2013[/editline] [img]https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/378800000131518083/fac6e1bbb2eea652380af31044f4c0c8_bigger.png[/img]

as max said, life isn't made up of averages, we are individuals and all individuals want to be treated that way and it's unfair to be treated based on statistics. women don't deserve to be treated like housewives because men are stronger on average just like blacks don't deserve to be treated like criminals since blacks commit more crimes on average just like men don't deserve to be treated like rapists since men commit more rapes on average etc etc etc [editline]30th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Starpluck;43352153]Pay more attention: [editline]29th December 2013[/editline] [img]https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/378800000131518083/fac6e1bbb2eea652380af31044f4c0c8_bigger.png[/img][/QUOTE] bullying milkandcooki is too easy why don't you find a more legitimate target

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43352164]as max said, life isn't made up of averages, we are individuals and all individuals want to be treated that way and it's unfair to be treated based on statistics. women don't deserve to be treated like housewives because men are stronger on average just like blacks don't deserve to be treated like criminals since blacks commit more crimes on average just like men don't deserve to be treated like rapists since men commit more rapes on average etc etc etc [/QUOTE] Who are you exactly addressing? No one's said that. Men don't deserve to be treated like rapists, but men are more likely to be rapists. Similarly, women don't deserve to be treated as weak, but women are more likely to be weaker than men. Correcting someone's flawed understanding of science who's said there are unequivocally no differences between the two sexes (which is a very embarrassing thing to read) is not implying that you think women should become housewives. If he mentioned that women shouldn't be housewives then he would've got my approval.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;43352206]Who are you exactly addressing? No one's said that. Men don't deserve to be treated like rapists, but men are more likely to be rapists. Similarly, women don't deserve to be treated as weak-powered individuals, but women are more likely to be weak. Correcting someone's flawed understanding of science who's said there are unequivocally no differences between the two sexes (which is a very embarrassing thing to read) is not implying that you think women should become housewives. If he mentioned that women shouldn't me housewives then he would've got my approval.[/QUOTE] i'm addressing the general attitude of people here, who although they won't blatantly say it, feel that biological differences (which in my opinion don't play as large a part as people think although i'm not going to deny they don't exist) justify womens positions in life. and you're naive if you think all the posts targeting women who act against the roles society deems they should fill aren't evident of this.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43352224]i'm addressing the general attitude of people here[/QUOTE] OK it's just a strange thing to do when you are implicitly refuting what someone's directly said. [editline]29th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Starpluck;43352008]There are arguments on the invalidity of social roles which are legitimate and is not what I'm addressing.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;43333575]For someone who whinges and moans so much about being unfairly generalized you sure have no qualms about doing it yourself[/QUOTE] Who am I generalizing exactly? There's a group of people on this forum who believe there's no difference between men and women (apart from genitals), true or false? [QUOTE=DaysBefore;43333575]Also sweet graph, that proves you right on every account thanks to its well sourced and clearly labelled conclusions[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;43333775]Nice, a graph with unlabeled axises. :v:[/QUOTE] How did you not get that the graph was just an [B][I]example [/I][/B]of "the difference AMONG the groups is greater than the difference BETWEEN the groups"? It's not supposed to have any sources or labels because it doesn't present any data as an [B][I]example[/I][/B]. [QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;43333775]Hey. I'm not denying it, there is a difference. It's exactly what I wrote in my post. What I'm saying is that there's no point in focusing on it because of the variance.[/QUOTE] There is no point focusing on it as telling people what to do based on some average is outright wrong, however denying that there is a difference between men and women is also outright wrong. And I'm not talking specifically about you here, however people do that in these threads.