What causes terrorism? - General

Er, apparently I'm missing something...Might as well snip comment

[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;17202031]Pissed off arabs with too much free time. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Racism, again" - TH89))[/highlight] [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("Racism, again" - TH89))[/highlight][/QUOTE] It takes alot more than free time to hijack a plane and kamakazi it into a landmark of the world's most powerful nation.

[QUOTE=The Epidemic;17203786]It takes alot more than free time to hijack a plane and kamakazi it into a landmark of the world's most powerful nation.[/QUOTE] It takes dedication. And stupidity.

[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;17202031]Pissed off arabs with too much free time. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Racism, again" - TH89))[/highlight] [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("Racism, again" - TH89))[/highlight][/QUOTE] baaaaawwww he sed arabs bawwwww [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Mod sassss" - TH89))[/highlight]

It's a combination of fear and feeling insulted. At least, that's what some middle eastern ex-prime minister said, but hey you guys know more than him right?

So guys, how about political terrorists? I mean it is straying off of the original post I put, yet I wanna see this discussion grow... President Bush- he used the fear from the 9/11/01 terrorist attack as a driving force to invade Iraq with forged documents of WMDs (it is obvious it is resources, he didn't want Hussein fucking with Kuwait's Oil, and then the Saudi Royal family needs to know they 'care' about what is happening down there...) General Grant (the man who was in charge of the Army of the Potomac)- He instilled fear into confederate soldiers by showing them he didn't care how many men he lost, he could always get more, the confederates had a harder time with that. As an example of how he did not care about his losses: there was a diary entry of a US soldier which was dated the day of the Battle of Cold Harbor although it was obviously written the day before which stated "I died at Cold Harbor today..." that soldier was killed in action on that day...

Terrorism isn't something as small as Jihad vs America, get that out of your heads people. Terrorism is something much more wide than that, and the causes for it are simple. The more one side deems the other as dogs, the more the other is going to. It's a cycle really, the more you fight a "terrorist", the more reasons they have to "terrorize". One common misconception, however, that I see being repeatedly mentioned, is that terrorism is limited to material and religious conflicts. Terrorism is simply radicalism taken on a violent form, radicalism being simply loving or hating something to an extreme.. Terrorism isn't just Al Qaeda, if you want a list, the UN has one. There's much better examples of terrorism, the IRA, the FARC, hell, even armed forces like the Viet Cong can be seen as terrorists. A much smaller, although much clearer way to picture the source of terrorism, is in raiding. Call me whatever you want, but isn't raiding one way to attempt and destroy something you hate? One does not raid Google, or Yahoo, or Whois.com, raiding is not for the sake of enjoying the fun of destruction. One raids a community that is deemed inferior, useless, stupid, dumb. Raiding is to attempt and destroy something by humiliating people to the point they're incapable to even fight back, that, or to simply raid them out of existence. When you raid, you do not care of the damages you cause to the other guy, you don't even question why are you doing it, or even to who, you just do it. Now take the same thing on real life. Isn't it the exact same thing only blown out of proportion? Put in a nutshell? Terrorism happens because you love something too much and someone hates it too much. That someone doesn't know why you love that thing that much, but they hate it, so you get attacked.

[QUOTE=Melkor;17203803] stupidity.[/QUOTE] This, pretty much.

[QUOTE=Wolfos;17204493]This, pretty much.[/QUOTE] Bigotry is a more accurate term.

It's not religion, and it's not necessarily bigotry. It's the lack of an education, it's ignorance. It's people who are raised in religious schools, since they are the only sources of education.

What terrorists? 9/11 was an inside job, as simple as that!

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[QUOTE=Melkor;17203738]What? What the fuck are you talking about? I just explained how "extremism, unrest, and revolutionaries" were a direct result of imperialism. A result of them getting fucked over.[/QUOTE] You made it sound as though imperialists were terrorists. And terrorism isn't a direct result of imperialism. I honestly don't know why the first thing you came up with is imperialism, imperialism is hardly around anymore, what with self-determination and anti-war movements.

[QUOTE=TH89;17202682]Others have "recorded" Bigfoot and UFOs, that doesn't mean they exist.[/QUOTE] The absence of two towers in new york is proof enough that there are terrorist attacks. [editline]03:06AM[/editline] Also it's not just muslims/arabs that commit terrorism, Christian extremists tend to blow up abortion clinic doctors/kill the doctors.

Well if you look at it from a "terrorist's" point of view.. They might not have the resources to fight against a whole damn nation. So the only thing they have to fight with, might be making haggard bombs and blowing up civilians. However wrong and unjustified that may be, that seems like the only way they can do damage to their enemies. I think it's stupid, but I understand why they would be so desperate to do such things.

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The planets have to be in alignment.

I don't actually think there was a need for this thread. Religion, its caused more wars and will cause many more wars over the face of who's "God" is the original recipe. Ill give you an example, it may not seem like terrorism but the crusades were just like the Taliban, they invaded "the kingdom of heaven" in the name of god killing every Islamic person when they took it over.

[QUOTE=Mr valentine;17205159]I don't actually think there was a need for this thread. Religion, its caused more wars and will cause many more wars over the face of who's "God" is the original recipe. Ill give you an example, it may not seem like terrorism but the crusades were just like the Taliban, they invaded "the kingdom of heaven" in the name of god killing every Islamic person when they took it over.[/QUOTE] Even though that was due to Economic reasons (Muslim domination of the very valuable silk road) I don't want to get this thread bogged down in arguing the details of the Crusades. The whole "Holy Part" was started to simply win over ignorant Christians to act as fanatical soldiers, willing to die if they have to. Ignorance is what causes Terrorism, not religion.

[QUOTE=lil_n00blett;17204941]You made it sound as though imperialists were terrorists. And terrorism isn't a direct result of imperialism. I honestly don't know why the first thing you came up with is imperialism, imperialism is hardly around anymore, what with self-determination and anti-war movements.[/QUOTE] Yes it is. And yes we do. Ever wonder why the Middle East is such a shit hole? It's because the west fucked it for it's resources after World War 1 after they had discovered crude oil. I've studied the history of imperialism exclusively for two years. I know what I'm talking about.

[QUOTE=Melkor;17205308]Yes it is. And yes we do. Ever wonder why the Middle East is such a shit hole? It's because the west fucked it for it's resources after World War 1. I've studied the history of imperialism exclusively for two years. I know what I'm talking about.[/QUOTE] I know what happened to the Middle East after WWI. I know that the Europeans mandating the regions of the Middle East was imperialist. All you said was "Imperialism." As if imperialism is the sole cause of terrorism. And by the way, it doesn't go Imperialism -> Terrorism. It goes Imperialism -> Huge number of factors including oppression and nationalism (which isn't imperialism) ->Terrorism. People can adapt with imperialism, they did it all throughout the history of europe, it is certain other factors that really cause terrorism.

[QUOTE=lil_n00blett;17205362]I know what happened to the Middle East after WWI. I know that the Europeans mandating the regions of the Middle East was imperialist. All you said was "Imperialism." As if imperialism is the sole cause of terrorism. And by the way, it doesn't go Imperialism -> Terrorism. It goes Imperialism -> Huge number of factors including oppression and nationalism (which isn't imperialism) ->Terrorism. People can adapt with imperialism, they did it all throughout the history of europe, it is certain other factors that really cause terrorism.[/QUOTE] Oppression and nationalism were in large part caused by imperialist intervention in the middle east. Almost all countries that have been subject to imperialism are 3rd world countries today, with the exception of a choice few. Also, when did I ever say that Imperialism was the sole cause of terrorism? I said it was a factor, among other things.

I say its extreamists

The insurgents in the middle east now are expected. If you go into someone's country with a whole heap of soldiers, you're going to expect angry civilians.

The human race does not want to live in unity, they would rather kick the shit out of each other. Because that is the way we are, sadly.

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Well terrorism is nothing more than trying to influence politics or public by means of fear or threat, and this is discouragingly common. Under this definition, many police can be described as terrorists. So can elected officials and evangelicals. [editline]01:26AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Melkor;17205308]Yes it is. And yes we do. Ever wonder why the Middle East is such a shit hole? It's because the west fucked it for it's resources after World War 1 after they had discovered crude oil. I've studied the history of imperialism exclusively for two years. I know what I'm talking about.[/QUOTE] The west? WW1? What about the places in the middle-east that aren't shitholes? These places (like Qatar) are mostly progressive and probably in a far healthier situation than much of the west. They do, after all, have their own oil. But what about 1956 and the Suez crisis? What about 1979 and the Islamic Revolution? Have you talked with any Iranians who remember rule under the Shah? Sure it left a lot to be desired, but it was rather progressive compared to the theocracy of today. I wouldn't call these the west's fault. (Well, the Suez crisis was the west losing control)

Most of it is by people misinterpreting the words of a guy that took a lesser god of a previous religion and made it the mainstream religion in those countries(Allah, the god of the moon), Scientology has nothing on this shit :v: On a semi related issue, I hate governments tagging assassins who use bombs(The Jackal) and guerrillas that also use bombs, as terrorists.

Well I believe it's Islam that causes terrorism.

[QUOTE=Mhiester;17203059]Wow, I am depressed with the results I got from this discussion... [/QUOTE] It's facepunch, what do you expect?