• People Not Controlling Their Dogs In Public
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[QUOTE=Chris220;31600999]You'd be surprised at how many aren't trained properly. I've been bitten in the face by a german shepard before, whose owner had let him off the lead in an area he shouldn't have. I agree that [I]most[/I] domesticated dogs are probably very friendly, but there is still a large percentage which are either trained badly, or simply go by their instincts instead of their training.[/QUOTE] Did you sue the owner?
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;31601013]Did you sue the owner?[/QUOTE] As is the case in a lot of these things, the owner didn't even stop; he just walked off. The dog ran after him after it had bitten me, and by the time I got back up off the floor and wiped my face (blood and dog saliva in your eye tends to make it hard to see) I couldn't see where he had gone. It was quite a busy place, I have no idea why he thought it'd be a good idea to have his dog off the lead. I'm not saying this is always the case, most people are smart enough to keep their dogs leashed in places like that. I was just using it as an example is all.
As I live in a neighbourhood full of dogs I have problems like this too, but the most problematic thing here that people underestimate the power of their dogs. There's this one dog that every time I pass him he goes berserk on the fence and just eats it slowly, I'm afraid he will get trough it and attack my dog and even kill him because I never saw an angry dog like that in my life. There are a lot of other dogs that try to crawl trough the fence openings and they look really fucking loose so I'm even afraid to take my dog for a walk. If I could sue people that have inappropriate walls and fences I would be really rich by now, really hate this neighbourhood because of the dogs.
Yeah one time I was walking in the woods and a saw a dog and its owner. As I was walking past the dog turned around a bit my leg and I was all like, "what the hell?" I didn't want to shake the dog off incase the owner got angry for whatever reason so I just sort of stood there and waited for him to let go or for the owner to get him off me. She apologized and I went on my way.
"roaring" and acting aggressive just encourages a dog on, staying calm and assertive, shoulder up etc will intimidate a dog more than acting like an aggressive animal yourself, OP is misinformed and probably insecure / afraid [editline]8th August 2011[/editline] when i'm running and i pass a dog, i will ignore it and keep going, i have never been bitten, its as simple as distancing yourself
[QUOTE=Jallen;31600762]I never said it was as dangerous as a bear, the point is to scare the dog. Whether it's as dangerous as a bear or not, if it bit me it would still hurt and possibly cause serious damage. You are obviously ignorant of dog behaviour if you think continuing to run is a good idea when a dog is growling at you. Every single source I've read on dog aggression states you should ALWAYS stand your ground.[/QUOTE] Stop acting like you're an expert in dog behaviour, 'cause you're not. That said, I can agree with you that I was not there and don't know what exactly happened, so I'm gonna have to believe your word on how terrible and dangerous it was. And I geniunely do. I still want to know something. Did people stare/laugh at you when you "roared [b]deep[/b] and [b]loud[/b]" at the dogs?
[QUOTE=Chilean_Wolf;31601754]Stop acting like you're an expert in dog behaviour, 'cause you're not. That said, I can agree with you that I was not there and don't know what exactly happened, so I'm gonna have to believe your word on how terrible and dangerous it was. And I geniunely do. I still want to know something. Did people stare/laugh at you when you "roared [b]deep[/b] and [b]loud[/b]" at the dogs?[/QUOTE] The owner looked like he shit his pants (middle aged guy), there was nobody else around, it's a meadow surrounded by woodland. I purposefully run late (~8pm) because it's emptier and I can run undisturbed mostly. [editline]8th August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Magistrate;31601607]"roaring" and acting aggressive just encourages a dog on, staying calm and assertive, shoulder up etc will intimidate a dog more than acting like an aggressive animal yourself, OP is misinformed and probably insecure / afraid [editline]8th August 2011[/editline] when i'm running and i pass a dog, i will ignore it and keep going, i have never been bitten, its as simple as distancing yourself[/QUOTE] I can't really distance myself unless I want to risk getting bitten by a snake or obtaining loads of ticks. There are distinct paths in what is otherwise 2ft of grass. Because of this I have to walk / run within 4 ft of any dogs / owners. I guess that dogs see it as a threat that I'm walking / running straight towards them, but that shouldn't be my problem, it's the owners responsibility. On the topic of intimidating the dog, dogs have survived for thousands of years. If they encounter something which they think will beat them they won't press the point unless they are specifically trained to.
My dogs both can chew through bones, they go through them in minutes. If they didn't like you or you were invading your territory they would bite your fingers and probably, you would loose a finger or two.
If you let a dog off a leash in a park you have to take responsibility for anything your dog does. The number of times I see friendly dogs knock kids down and hump them is insane, ok sure it's a sign of affection but don't try and pawn off the fact a kid just got violated to instinct to absolve yourself from responsibility!
[QUOTE=Jallen;31601780]The owner looked like he shit his pants (middle aged guy), there was nobody else around, it's a meadow surrounded by woodland. I purposefully run late (~8pm) because it's emptier and I can run undisturbed mostly. [editline]8th August 2011[/editline] I can't really distance myself unless I want to risk getting bitten by a snake or obtaining loads of ticks. There are distinct paths in what is otherwise 2ft of grass. Because of this I have to walk / run within 4 ft of any dogs / owners. I guess that dogs see it as a threat that I'm walking / running straight towards them, but that shouldn't be my problem, it's the owners responsibility. On the topic of intimidating the dog, dogs have survived for thousands of years. If they encounter something which they think will beat them they won't press the point unless they are specifically trained to.[/QUOTE] lemme just reiterate, acting aggressive instead of calm, assertive, confident will only intensify the situation, dogs that dont respect / arent intimidated by their owner will not be scared or intimidated by you
[QUOTE=Magistrate;31602396]lemme just reiterate, acting aggressive instead of calm, assertive, confident will only intensify the situation, dogs that dont respect / arent intimidated by their owner will not be scared or intimidated by you[/QUOTE] Well, I'm not sure that the latter is neccessarily true but the next time I have an encounter I'll try and take your advice to remain calm and assertive. It's difficult when they are growling and baring their teeth at you, it gets the adrenaline pumping and I find myself getting really angry.
[QUOTE=Jallen;31589006]Nope, not on a lead. They just let them run around everywhere. If they weren't aggressive I wouldn't have a problem with it, in fact I quite enjoy encountering friendly dogs.[/QUOTE] my dogs are friendly, as long as you don't mind them jumping up on your legs, they're small dogs
My littlesister was swimming with her smallish dogs when a man let a big dog loose and it instantly attacked my littlesisters dog and pushed its head underwater. My sister tried to save her dog and the big one bit her on the leg so hard she had to be rushed to a hospital so she didn't bleed out. The big dogs owner did jack shit while this happened. My sisters friend said she was a stereotypical fat lady in her 50's who owns a dog for no real reason. Her dog survived, by the way.
I totally agree with you.
[QUOTE=RixxzIV;31591054]Read: Having your dog on a leash when you're going to a place where you know there'll be other people.[/QUOTE] Please tell me somewhere in my town where no one ever goes. She doesn't attack random people but she might run over and be inquisitive.
Pro-tip: Returning a growl to a dog and stomping at them will only antagonize them. It's not a display of dominance on your part, it's a display of aggression. If the dog were to proceed to lunge at you, at that point, it WOULD be your fault for provoking it.
I'm more bothered by people not controlling their children in public.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;31600807]You wouldn't have gotten bitten, if they where scared of your pathetic stomping and roaring they're probably not going to do anything, just run past them, they'd probably just jump up on you at most and then leave you alone.[/QUOTE] Hey guys I wasn't there and I wasn't in your shoes but I know alot about dogs and I absolutely positively know running right near them trying to get away from them will make them jump up on you at most and then leave you alone! Dude, it's a dog, it's a carnivore. Whenever a carnivore is unchecked it can cause rampage damage because [B]it fucking kills things for a living.[/B] If a dog starts showing their teeth and acting rabid to a human that's less than >3m away then it's going to lead to a violent confrontation at most, don't under estimate a carnivore no matter what the size it can still do damage to anything due to ignorance.
[QUOTE=Jallen;31588327][B]1.[/B] A lot of people are great with their dogs. Either they have them on a lead and they show a little interest as I pass but their owner has control, or they are off the lead but trained well enough to pretty much ignore me or just sniff me a bit.[/QUOTE] This is me, my dog doesn't obey me enough to be off a leash in public (that's more my sister and mother), but we aren't allowed to let a dog off a leash in public anymore (200€ fine if he crosses a public road unleashed or hell, if you're caught out without a poop bag). I always control my dog and I hate it when I see that one dog off his leash that always tries to start shit with my dog and follows us for about 20 blocks. [editline]8th August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Jallen;31599436]A few people have commented on the stomp and roar thing. The whole point of it is to make yourself look like you'd own the dog(s) if they were to attack. It's like with bears, trying to run will almost always end badly, you're supposed to make yourself look big and make a lot of noise I think.[/QUOTE] The stomping is fine, but you must know that dogs can understand or at least acknowledge words, right? You could have stomped and said stop or shoo or something, it would've worked just as well (maybe even better since growling is primarily aggresive) and wouldn't have been as hilarious
[QUOTE=Keyblockor;31605413]Hey guys I wasn't there and I wasn't in your shoes but I know alot about dogs and I absolutely positively know running right near them trying to get away from them will make them jump up on you at most and then leave you alone! Dude, it's a dog, it's a carnivore. Whenever a carnivore is unchecked it can cause rampage damage because [B]it fucking kills things for a living.[/B] If a dog starts showing their teeth and acting rabid to a human that's less than >3m away then it's going to lead to a violent confrontation at most, don't under estimate a carnivore no matter what the size it can still do damage to anything due to ignorance.[/QUOTE] Dogs and wolves are technically carnivores but they still eat berries and fruit
[QUOTE=wewt!;31605554]The stomping is fine, but you must know that dogs can understand or at least acknowledge words, right? You could have stomped and said stop or shoo or something, it would've worked just as well (maybe even better since growling is primarily aggresive) and wouldn't have been as hilarious[/QUOTE] Yeah, I plan on trying to be more assertive when (if only i could say if) something like this happens again but if that fails I'll go back to what I found sort of worked for me before. I'll probably use "get back" or something, since it will make me look less crazy.
[QUOTE=Zezibesh;31605594]Dogs and wolves are technically carnivores but they still eat berries and fruit[/QUOTE] I do know that Canines are omnivores as they can eat anything a human can, but their main purpose for their teeth (and what i'm driving at.) is to maim, wound, and kill anything that they see as a threat to their well being, a domesticated dogs owner's well being or prey. Simply said, if you're an idiot and went near it and it [I]did[/I] bite you, it's going to go in deep.
[QUOTE=Jallen;31605652]Yeah, I plan on trying to be more assertive when (if only i could say if) something like this happens again but if that fails I'll go back to what I found sort of worked for me before. I'll probably use "get back" or something, since it will make me look less crazy.[/QUOTE] Try using commands that are regularly used on dogs, chances are that the dog knows them, it always worked for me. Though I have no idea what kind of commands people use in english except for sit and hand :v:
[QUOTE=Keyblockor;31605413]Hey guys I wasn't there and I wasn't in your shoes but I know alot about dogs and I absolutely positively know running right near them trying to get away from them will make them jump up on you at most and then leave you alone! Dude, it's a dog, it's a carnivore. Whenever a carnivore is unchecked it can cause rampage damage because [B]it fucking kills things for a living.[/B] If a dog starts showing their teeth and acting rabid to a human that's less than >3m away then it's going to lead to a violent confrontation at most, don't under estimate a carnivore no matter what the size it can still do damage to anything due to ignorance.[/QUOTE] The fact that they ran away when shown aggression kind of shows they weren't motivated to attack him.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;31605788]The fact that they ran away when shown aggression kind of shows they weren't motivated to attack him.[/QUOTE] No, your reasoning is dumb, they were intimidated and had aggressive/defensive intentions from the start. A dog doesn't bare its teeth, growl and bark at you under a >3m radius as a friendly gesture of "WHY HELLO THERE PLEASE LET US BE FRIENDS!"
[QUOTE=Keyblockor;31605896]No, your reasoning is dumb, they were intimidated and had aggressive/defensive intentions from the start. A dog doesn't bare its teeth, growl and bark at you under a >3m radius as a friendly gesture of "WHY HELLO THERE PLEASE LET US BE FRIENDS!"[/QUOTE] No, but a growl isn't always an indication of a bite either.
[QUOTE=Keyblockor;31605896]No, your reasoning is dumb, they were intimidated and had aggressive/defensive intentions from the start. A dog doesn't bare its teeth, growl and bark at you under a >3m radius as a friendly gesture of "WHY HELLO THERE PLEASE LET US BE FRIENDS!"[/QUOTE] To be honest I think his story is probably exaggerated, but as has been already said, growling and barking doesn't mean it wants to tear you too pieces.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;31606035]To be honest I think his story is probably exaggerated, but as has been already said, growling and barking doesn't mean it wants to tear you too pieces.[/QUOTE] I know that but i'm saying your actions will make it result in biting the person. You don't go near a canine that's bearing its teeth at you and growling voraciously, I can only see the owner approaching the dog and calming it down, but it's stupid to try and run past it specifically near it.
[QUOTE=Keyblockor;31606091]I know that but i'm saying your actions will make it result in biting the person. You don't go near a canine that's bearing its teeth at you and growling voraciously, I can only see the owner approaching the dog and calming it down, but it's stupid to try and run past it specifically near it.[/QUOTE] If it gets too close and does try to attack you just kick the fuck out of it (unless it's a german Shepard or something) It works for my dad.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;31606168]If it gets too close and does try to attack you just kick the fuck out of it (unless it's a german Shepard or something) It works for my dad.[/QUOTE] That'll only agitate the dog more and you'll be fucked if you end up losing balance due to kicking, it will only work if you can beat it and get it off its legs, you're fucked more-so if it's a larger dog and can take a kick.
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