Assisted euthanasia/suicide - Is it acceptable? - General

Recently had this discussion in [URL="http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1133268"]this thread[/URL] and thought it was thread-worthy. So is it acceptable that someone wants to die on there own accord? I think personally if they have a life crippling disease or a disability that stops them from living properly, then its ok. [IMG]http://www.glogster.com/media/3/12/69/67/12696753.jpg[/IMG]

I think it's ok, but then there's the problem of corruption. With enough money and paperwork you could assistly kill that man who is sick and blame it on assisted suicide. Kinda like putting innocents on death penalty.

I don't see how is it moral to force someone to live trough something so bad that they'd rather choose death. Talking about sane people here.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;32834583]I don't see how is it moral to force someone to live trough something so bad that they'd rather choose death. Talking about sane people here.[/QUOTE]Exactly my reasoning.

If someone is terminally ill, is sane, and can reasonably communicate their requests then yes, it's perfectly acceptable

I think that it really depends on the individual situation. In a world with no corruption, I'd say yes, however euthanasia can easily be exploited to profit from somebodies death. Its just one of those things I personally can't decide on, from a moral standpoint I'd say yes, but looking at it legally there are many flaws in allowing this kind of practice to take place. Sorry about the briefness of the post but I'm typing on a tablet and it takes quite a long time to type.

[QUOTE=Jasun;32835260]I think that it really depends on the individual situation. In a world with no corruption, I'd say yes, however euthanasia can easily be exploited to profit from somebodie's death. Its just one of those things I personal can't decide on, from a moral standpoint I'd say yes, but looking at it legally there are many flaws in allowing this kind of practice to take place. Sorry about the briefness of the post but I'm typing on a tablet and it takes quite a long time to type.[/QUOTE] I'd think for it too be legalized there would be some sort of marriage-like equivalent in the process, as in you have to a license from the city or whatever to get it done, and it would be done by a recommended physician. Every thing can be exploited but it would be hard to exploit something like this. It seems like something that's not unreasonable at all, I really can't get why many people shudder at the idea of assisted suicide.

Just to be safe, I just think it that it needs proper documentation. It sounds like something that can be exploited easily.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;32834583]I don't see how is it moral to force someone to live trough something so bad that they'd rather choose death. Talking about sane people here.[/QUOTE] Why only sane people?

[QUOTE=HawkeyeTy;32835393]I'd think for it too be legalized there would be some sort of marriage-like equivalent in the process, as in you have to a license from the city or whatever to get it done, and it would be done by a recommended physician. Every thing can be exploited but it would be hard to exploit something like this. It seems like something that's not unreasonable at all, [b]I really can't get why many people shudder at the idea of assisted suicide.[/b][/QUOTE] A lot of it has to do with religion. They are "going against God's Will" by choosing their own fate instead of letting him decide. Thereby fucking up his "Devine Plan". I don't agree with that, of course. If someone wants to die, for good reason and they are sane of mind; I wouldn't object.

Who gets to determine what is terminal and what is not? If I have a 95% chance of dying from x cancer, is that terminal? It sure sounds terrible. There's a 1/20 chance you won't die. But if a hundred thousand people suffer x disease each year, 5000 people will survive. People could be committing suicide, even though they might live. A person could commit assisted suicide because it becomes the normal course of action when you are given the 95% odds, and the next day a cure could be found. Allowing assisted suicide could very easily encourage people to commit suicide. These are good motivations not to allow assisted suicide. Naturally, the other side certainly has good motivations as well. Why would we force someone to live in agony? Certainly allowing someone to end the agony and their life while they still have some sanity left is a good thing. This is the most obvious reason to allow assisted suicide, though there are certainly more. I'm not under the impression that there's much, if any religious motivation behind the ban. Religion has become far too much of a fallback for calling the other person completely illogical. Moral decisions that are different from yours don't have to originate from religion.

I think that anyone should have the right to die whenever they wish. If one has the right to live, one should obviously have the right to die, correct? Of course, it's a very serious decision to make, and it will most likely bring emotional harm to those close to them, but ultimately a person shouldn't be a slave to anyone else. No one has the right to tell someone what to do with their body and their life.

Like others have said, I think it should be legal. There would have to be very strict regulations on it.

[B]Beuthanasia[/B] is not used for People, it's used for the putting down of animals. It's basically an overdose of Anesthesia. And no, murder of any kind is illegal. Whether it's yourself, or helping someone do it, or someone doing it to you. Though it can sometimes seem alright, because insurance wouldn't pay out otherwise. It would still be taking from others what you don't need. (Then again you'll be dead)

[QUOTE=Rubs10;32836989]Why only sane people?[/QUOTE]Cause people in for instance depression have distorted perception of reality and are incapable of making an informed choice.

[QUOTE=Morcam;32838799]Who gets to determine what is terminal and what is not? If I have a 95% chance of dying from x cancer, is that terminal? It sure sounds terrible. There's a 1/20 chance you won't die. But if a hundred thousand people suffer x disease each year, 5000 people will survive. People could be committing suicide, even though they might live. A person could commit assisted suicide because it becomes the normal course of action when you are given the 95% odds, and the next day a cure could be found. Allowing assisted suicide could very easily encourage people to commit suicide. These are good motivations not to allow assisted suicide. Naturally, the other side certainly has good motivations as well. Why would we force someone to live in agony? Certainly allowing someone to end the agony and their life while they still have some sanity left is a good thing. This is the most obvious reason to allow assisted suicide, though there are certainly more. I'm not under the impression that there's much, if any religious motivation behind the ban. Religion has become far too much of a fallback for calling the other person completely illogical. Moral decisions that are different from yours don't have to originate from religion.[/QUOTE] Most terminals cause terrible pain and you are essentially drugged all day every day until your death. I'd rather die than have a 5% chance of survival in such conditions.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;32841072]Cause people in for instance depression have distorted perception of reality and are incapable of making an informed choice.[/QUOTE] From our perspective they're making an uninformed choice, but to them it's rational and since it's their body they should get to make that choice. What if you had a mass murderer who was obviously insane and they wanted to kill themselves, would you let them?

[QUOTE=Rubs10;32841795]From our perspective they're making an uninformed choice, but to them it's rational and since it's their body they should get to make that choice. [/QUOTE]Not true. People do crazy shit when they have foggy mind that they later regret.

[QUOTE=Rubs10;32841795]From our perspective they're making an uninformed choice, but to them it's rational and since it's their body they should get to make that choice. What if you had a mass murderer who was obviously insane and they wanted to kill themselves, would you let them?[/QUOTE]There is no such fucking thing as subjective informed choice. You're either objective or not.

I extend justification of euthanasia to absolutely every rational being. Sadly there is a huge epistemological/semantic problem at the heart of what exactly a rational being is and is not. In practice, I guess it would be reasonable to allow euthanasia to people having undergone a very indepth psychiatric/psychological/neurological/physical screening to determine whether death is genuinely in [I]their[/I] rational self-interest.

Euthanasia is definitely acceptable, if I'm in a vegetative state where I can't do jack shit I don't want to live, fuck my family, they're not the ones who have to live without being able to do anything other than think, and I think most people agree.

We know.

When they are sane and lifes in the shitter and LITERALLY is stuck there, permanently, and they've already said goodbye and I love you to everyone, why not? If you can stop real suffering, its only humane. But if its a temporary issue, suicide, assisted or not is a bad decision.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;32841924]There is no such fucking thing as subjective informed choice. You're either objective or not.[/QUOTE] I mistakenly used informed choice interchangeably with rationality. The fact that we've come to two opposite conclusions on this matter shows that we're following two different ways of thinking, yet both of us are considered sane. From what I understand, your idea is creating a legal gray area that is open for exploitation. Here's another question: What if someone had gender identity disorder and wanted to kill themselves because of it? Would you let them? [QUOTE=J!NX;32854932]When they are sane and lifes in the shitter and LITERALLY is stuck there, permanently, and they've already said goodbye and I love you to everyone, why not? If you can stop real suffering, its only humane. But if its a temporary issue, suicide, assisted or not is a bad decision.[/QUOTE] It's still their decision.