Strip searched down now... for calling the police for help. - General

[QUOTE=Twipsters;17523093]Bad choice of words woman. When they asked her if she ever hurt herself she said "now or ever?". She just implied that she has hurt herself before, or at least heavily considered it. The cops probably thought she was going to kill herself in jail, and it really wouldn't look good if she came out of jail all covered in scars.[/QUOTE] Still doesn't mean the cops aren't morons for forcing a strip search on her just because she didn't give a "proper" answer right off the bat. Clearly she was shaken and scared, as she already fucked up giving them the wrong ID. How can you expect someone like that to give straight, concise answers? Oh wait, they didn't even give her a chance to explain that [b]she was a victim in a crime[/b]. Not even being able to properly respond to a call for help would probably disqualify you from making other reasonable decisions toward other people. There's nothing right in what the cops did. Sure, they legally weren't in the wrong (they did break several sheriff policies, though), but that doesn't make it not fucking stupid what they did to her. She called for help because she was attacked, they arrived and arrested her for a small mistake, and then strip searched her in front of several men and left her nude in a cell because she fumbled with her words. I'm not justifying her resisting it, but as a normal citizen who did nothing wrong suddenly being pinned by several cops and stripped nude I'd probably scream too. You can sit in your computer chair and say "it's a strip search, big deal" but it's far different and far more terrifying in real life.

[QUOTE=Shugo;17523801]Still doesn't mean the cops aren't morons for forcing a strip search on her just because she didn't give a "proper" answer right off the bat. Clearly she was shaken and scared, as she already fucked up giving them the wrong ID. How can you expect someone like that to give straight, concise answers? Oh wait, they didn't even give her a chance to explain that [b]she was a victim in a crime[/b]. Not even being able to properly respond to a call for help would probably disqualify you from making other reasonable decisions toward other people. There's nothing right in what the cops did. Sure, they legally weren't in the wrong (they did break several sheriff policies, though), but that doesn't make it fucking stupid what they did to her. She called for help because she was attacked, they arrived and arrested her for a small mistake, and then strip searched her in front of several men and left her nude in a cell because she fumbled with her words. I'm not justifying her resisting it, but as a normal citizen who did nothing wrong suddenly being pinned by several cops and stripped nude I'd probably scream too. You can sit in your computer chair and say "it's a strip search, big deal" but it's far different and far more terrifying in real life.[/QUOTE] Cops follow protocol. They saw that she was using an ID that was not her own to identify herself to police, they questioned her, she resisted and they arrested her. That's protocol, that's their job. As far as I can tell, the only thing that was done wrong was that there were male officers in the room when she was being strip searched. Don't get me wrong, the cops were doing irrational shit bringing her in like that and she has my respect as a human being, she suffered, but she doesn't have my intellectual respect. They did it because it's what they're trained to do under those specific circumstances, and she should have known better and maybe learned not to use a dead person's ID to identify herself to cops (by accident) next time. That kind of thing gets taken more seriously than you would imagine (as we all just saw).

I want to see the uncensored version.

Rules that both sides can agree at any point where you become involved in a police matter: 1. This is the most important: DO NOT FIGHT. I mean do not fight back physically. 2. Know your rights. Don't be afraid to stand tall and state your rights. If you've seen the video of the guy getting stopped at a checkpoint, you'll know what I'm talking about. 3. If it comes down to an abusive cop, and you do get arrested, go back to point 1: DON'T FIGHT BACK PHYSICALLY. Do not talk to anyone but a lawyer. 4. If at all possible, have some sort of recording device on you if you anticipate it. You can buy MP3 players with voice recorders that will be innocuous and if you're really into that spy shit, buy a pen with a built in camera for 50 bucks or so and clip it onto your shirt pocket. I hope she sues them to hell, but I hate this thread. Every thread on Facepunch along these lines turns into a battle between the "fuck da pohlease" side and the Orwellian police-staters.

[QUOTE=KarlHeinrichMarx;17524246]Cops follow protocol. They saw that she was using an ID that was not her own to identify herself to police, they questioned her, she resisted and they arrested her. That's protocol, that's their job. As far as I can tell, the only thing that was done wrong was that there were male officers in the room when she was being strip searched. Don't get me wrong, the cops were doing irrational shit bringing her in like that and she has my respect as a human being, she suffered, but she doesn't have my intellectual respect. They did it because it's what they're trained to do under those specific circumstances, and she should have known better and maybe learned not to use a dead person's ID to identify herself to cops (by accident) next time. That kind of thing gets taken more seriously than you would imagine (as we all just saw).[/QUOTE] No, she had her ID too. not only that, but carrying a false ID is only a felony if it's been edited, not if it's someone elses. This is really the only punishment (which I'm not even sure it applies since she had her own) [quote]The information you provide when you apply for your driver's license, or apply for a duplicate license must be true and accurate. It is against the law to provide false information when you apply for any type of driving license or identification card, to change or alter your license in any way, or to use someone else's license as your own, or to permit someone else to use your driver's license. The penalty for these offenses is a 90 day suspension of your driver's license.[/quote] Please stop being a robot. Cops are humans and should draw the line. (not that I even believe that was standard protocol)

Bitch stfu.

[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;17524418]No, she had her ID too. not only that, but carrying a false ID is only a felony if it's been edited, not if it's someone elses.[/QUOTE] No, if you use an ID that's not yours to identify yourself to police that's a crime. It doesn't matter if it was a mistake in the eyes of police, they're just doing their jobs. I'm still not sure why there was a strip search though, I mean, both male and female cops were involved in the strip search, so I feel like we're missing something from the story (something that the woman did/said).

J walking is a crime. There's different punishments for different things and this one didn't qualify for what she did.

I think both parties are idiots and the report was biased, but the cops are totally in the wrong here. Also, why would they record the strip search anyways?

Why would you strip search someone for having a dead relative's license?

Would love to see all the involved officers fired, and the men registered as sex offenders.

An [I]exclusion channel 3 video[/I] that only [I]channel 3[/I] has because [I]channel 3[/I] is awesome.

[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;17524774]J walking is a crime. There's different punishments for different things and this one didn't qualify for what she did.[/QUOTE] Okay. Here's the laws concerning impersonation. [url]http://law.justia.com/nebraska/codes/s28index/s2806008000.html[/url] [quote](d) Criminal impersonation is a Class II misdemeanor if no credit, money, goods, services, or other thing of value was gained or was attempted to be gained, or if the credit, money, goods, services, or other thing of value that was gained or was attempted to be gained was less than two hundred dollars. Any second conviction under this subdivision is a Class I misdemeanor, and any third or subsequent conviction under this subdivision is a Class IV felony.[/quote] [quote]a) Personal identification document means a birth certificate, [highlight]motor vehicle operator's license[/highlight], state identification card, public, government, or private employment identification card, social security card, visa work permit, firearm owner's identification card, certificate issued under section 69-2404, or passport or any document made or altered in a manner that it purports to have been made on behalf of or issued to another person or by the authority of a person who did not give that authority. Personal identification document does not include a financial transaction device as defined in section 28-618;[/quote] I didn't think I'd have to deal with this argument. She commited a class 1 misdemeanor, which is means for arrest. It doesn't matter that she handed over the wrong ID by mistake, and it doesn't matter that I don't agree with the law or descision, but she should have known better and been careful.

Ah yes, there is no backstory, eh? She was probably resisting arrest and the strip search, so they HAD to pin her down. Plus "Oooh male cops are holding her down!111!1!1" Male cops and females alike see more people's husbands and wives naked than their families.

[QUOTE=KarlHeinrichMarx;17525308]Okay. Here's the laws concerning impersonation. [url]http://law.justia.com/nebraska/codes/s28index/s2806008000.html[/url] I didn't think I'd have to deal with this argument. She commited a class 1 misdemeanor, which is means for arrest. It doesn't matter that she handed over the wrong ID by mistake, and it doesn't matter that I don't agree with the law or descision, but she should have known better and been careful.[/QUOTE] Read the shit you post please. [quote]Criminal impersonation is a Class II misdemeanor if no credit, money, goods, services, or other thing of value was gained or was attempted to be gained, or if the credit, money, goods, services, or other thing of value that was gained or was attempted to be gained was less than two hundred dollars. Any second conviction under this subdivision is a Class I misdemeanor, and any third or subsequent conviction under this subdivision is a Class IV felony.[/quote] [quote]Personal identification document means a birth certificate, motor vehicle operator's license, state identification card, public, government, or private employment identification card, social security card, visa work permit, firearm owner's identification card, certificate issued under section 69-2404, or passport or any document[highlight] made or altered in a manner[/highlight] that it purports to have been made on behalf of or issued to another person or by the authority of a person who did not give that authority. Personal identification document does not include a financial transaction device as defined in section 28-618;[/quote] She didn't make or alter an ID. Also J walking is a misdemeanor as well. But you don't see people strip searching for it. [editline]01:07AM[/editline] Also they were video taping her.

Wow. just wow..

Hey, I've been to that news studio; WKYC in Cleveland, Ohio. I don't recall seeing this story, though. I think a crucial part to judging who is at fault here lies in the missing facts - the story feels extremely biased against the police and I'm sure there's things that both sides aren't letting us know. I just don't find it logical that they'd strip search her immediately after her request for clarification on whether she planned to hurt anyone. The police say that she refused to cooperate with them, her husband says she didn't. I trust the police more than the lady's husband. Showing the police her sister's ID was a very bad idea, and you'd think she'd be able to tell it apart from her sister's ID if she were keeping it as a memento and frequently reflecting on it. The girl should be charged for showing the wrong ID and for resisting arrest, the male police officers should be reprimanded or suspended. Oh, the male officers' manager could call them into his office and tell them "YOU ARE BOTH SUSPENDED"

[QUOTE=KarlHeinrichMarx;17526443]Wow. just wow..[/QUOTE] Well shit that was a fuck up But I forgot the original point completely. She had her own ID on her. [editline]02:14AM[/editline] Also they were fucking video taping her. You appear to be picking and choosing what you want to read.

[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;17526649]Well shit that was a fuck up But I forgot the original point completely. She had her own ID on her. [editline]02:14AM[/editline] Also they were fucking video taping her. You appear to be picking and choosing what you want to read.[/QUOTE] It doesn't matter if she had her own ID on her after she presented herself as someone else. The cops were being anal, and she was out of luck. They had every right under law to do that, but they don't have my intellectual respect. I'm just saying she shouldn't have struggled so much and maybe they wouldn't have hurt her. As for the strip search, I get the feeling we're missing something.

[QUOTE=KarlHeinrichMarx;17528551]It doesn't matter if she had her own ID on her after she presented herself as someone else. The cops were being anal, and she was out of luck. They had every right under law to do that, but they don't have my intellectual respect. I'm just saying she shouldn't have struggled so much and maybe they wouldn't have hurt her. As for the strip search, I get the feeling we're missing something.[/QUOTE] This is why I'm happy to not live in america. No stupid laws here because of "terrorism".

[QUOTE=The Saiko;17529162]This is why I'm happy to not live in america. No stupid laws here because of "terrorism".[/QUOTE] I am sure in most MEDC countries providing a wrong/fake ID to a police officer would lead to you being arrested. This is because most people who are breaking the law somehow would do this. Don't start pointing fingers because it is America (and please note I am from the UK and not defending it due to being American it is just common sense.) It was a mistake sure, all she had to do was be compliant and she probably would have gone home later that night. However I do not condone the fact that male officers were there also as said in the video a strip search should only be conducted by an officer of the same sex.

Typical American police officer, they don't know the law.

Police were wrong. Woman should of stopped fucking crying, if she'd stoped they would have been less frustrated!

The guy puts emphasis on the fact that there are 2 men there. Maybe its because the women couldn't keep her under control, so they made an exception to get the job done.

[QUOTE=justin gurel;17516796]you fucking nerds have no sympathy for people, whenever there is a video of abuse by the police you act as if the victim did something wrong and needs to shut up and take it, while you are taking pride in 60's of officers hippy bashing,you are fucking filth and it makes me sad. yes i am aware that she had a dead persons license but the law also has a concept called "mensrea" where they can analyze a persons mind for the crime, it adds a sense of realism and can often let people go. that is why kids are usually let go for stealing candy at the store. plus,the officers were only called in for a different case,as silly as that sounds it is true...that is how my friend got away with having weed[/QUOTE] Wow, the first person here with a grown up mind.