[QUOTE=Negrul1;17066276]Do you honestly get scared by a giant dragon shaped tentacle monster squid man? I don't.[/QUOTE]
Well that depends on the perspective. I think that Sam from Sam and Max puts it the best way, "That's a whole lot more entertaining when it's not happening to me."
[QUOTE=Lankist;17066254]You're oversimplifying the concept. What Lovecraft too often does is he jumps into the alien setting far too quickly, with no anchor to reality. Floating a boat into a spooky boat town isn't frightening unless you've first established the setting's progression from a realistic world into a foreign one.[/QUOTE]
Really seems like OP would argue he spends TOO MUCH time anchoring it, and he does spend plenty.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;17066293]mm3guy told everyone how to do that a while ago.[/QUOTE]
Eh, okay :v:
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;17066293]Way to ignore every detail of the mythos.[/QUOTE]
A mythos doesn't mean anything if it doesn't have a strong human element, something Lovecraft never seemed to understand. The longest lasting mythology has always had a strong connection to humanity. Look at Greek mythology, the Gods were ALWAYS fucking things. People ate that shit up.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;17066293]mm3guy told everyone how to do that a while ago.[/QUOTE]
Actually, I think it was Christarp
[QUOTE=Lankist;17066254]That's not what I'm implying.
The way to frighten people is to first create a character and an environment the reader relates to. Let's say, writing three chapters about a man like you living in a house like yours with subtle and slow progression toward the MS-13. The next step is to shift that reality into something alien, but still using that original sympathetic setting as an anchor for the reader. The final step is to finally incite that fear that, now in this sympathetic alien environment, seems entirely possible to the reader.
You're oversimplifying the concept. What Lovecraft too often does is he jumps into the alien setting far too quickly, with no anchor to reality. Floating a boat into a spooky boat town isn't frightening unless you've first established the setting's progression from a realistic world into a foreign one.[/QUOTE]
Let us bow before the writing god. I am humbled by your appearance.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;17066318]Really seems like OP would argue he spends TOO MUCH time anchoring it, and he does spend plenty.[/QUOTE]
OP is kinda' dumb.
[QUOTE=Lankist;17066330]A mythos doesn't mean anything if it doesn't have a strong human element, something Lovecraft never seemed to understand. The longest lasting mythology has always had a strong connection to humanity. Look at Greek mythology, the Gods were ALWAYS fucking things. People ate that shit up.[/QUOTE]
Pfft, Norse mythology was so much cooler and manlier.
You shut your dirty whore mouth, OP.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;17065473]You're right needs more ghosts
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And zombies[/QUOTE]
"Zombies in their undead lust so terrible to behold that one glimpse will make your brains contract in their inability to contrive the complex horror hidden behind the behemoths eyes whose inner iniquity will incinerate your inner insideness as they feast upon the bounty of your bloodfull brains"
There are only two authors whose writing styles I sincerely dislike. And that is Stephen King and Goodlove. Stephens is dry, and Goodlove was too busy sucking his own dick over how awesome he was to write a plot that I can actually appreciate. Also, in before negative ratings.
[QUOTE=Gorgonoth;17066335]Let us bow before the writing god. I am humbled by your appearance.[/QUOTE]
Yes, belittle the concept with absolutely no retort or intellectual counterpoint. Way to go.
[QUOTE=Lankist;17066337]OP is kinda' dumb.[/QUOTE]
Seriously, though, have you read any Lovecraft? It doesn't seem like you have. It takes him for fucking ever to get to the alien shit.
The Music of Erich Zann:
"I just moved onto this shitty little street into a shitty little apartment. There's a mute guy upstairs. He plays his goddamn violin all fucking day."
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;17066318]Really seems like OP would argue he spends TOO MUCH time anchoring it, and he does spend plenty.[/QUOTE]
He spends a lot of time anchoring it in reality, then suddenly jumps to crazy land. If the change was more subtle, it would be creepier. As it is, reality and crazy land have very little to do with each other. It is always in reality OR crazy land.
[QUOTE=Negrul1;17066389]He spends a lot of time anchoring it in reality, then suddenly jumps to crazy land. If the change was more subtle, it would be creepier. As it is, reality and crazy land have very little to do with each other. It is always in reality OR crazy land.[/QUOTE]
Eh, no. There's always a huge buildup into the crazy land.
[QUOTE=fragmaplas;17066342]You shut your dirty whore mouth, OP.[/QUOTE]
Well, we [i]were[/i] keeping things civil.
For people more interested in our good buddy Lovecraft, here is a website with some of his stories. [url]http://www.dagonbytes.com/thelibrary/lovecraft/[/url]
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[QUOTE=Negrul1;17066405]Well, we [i]were[/i] keeping things civil.[/QUOTE]
I'm just joking with you bro
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;17066383]Seriously, though, have you read any Lovecraft? It doesn't seem like you have. It takes him for fucking ever to get to the alien shit.
The Music of Erich Zann:
"I just moved onto this shitty little street into a shitty little apartment. There's a mute guy upstairs. He plays his goddamn violin all fucking day."[/QUOTE]
It's not so much how long an author spends on something, rather how well they utilize the time they do spend. Creating a sympathetic environment is less about simply spending time in that environment and moreso about making the setting seem real to the reader in as little time as possible. This is only particularly necessary in science fiction and horror mind you. Shit like romance novels don't even go near this concept because their written with the expressed purpose of creating unrealistically high expectations.
The best ways I've ever encountered of accomplishing an anchor are through commonplace events taking place in a progressively more foreign world. Cthuluworld would be more scary if people went to the DMV in it.
I am by no means an avid reader of Lovecraft but I've read several of his stories.
[QUOTE=fragmaplas;17066417]For people more interested in our good buddy Lovecraft, here is a website with some of his stories. [url]http://www.dagonbytes.com/thelibrary/lovecraft/[/url]
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I'm just joking with you bro[/QUOTE]
That's OK then bro.
[QUOTE=Lankist;17066440]I am by no means an avid reader of Lovecraft[/QUOTE]
I gleaned as much.
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I cannot argue any more. Physics class calls. Have fun bickering
[QUOTE=Lankist;17065457]You know it's true.
The concept of incomprehensible super duper dimensional beings is what Lovecraft uses when he can't think of something legitimately frightening.
"These aliens are so beyond our senses that you can't even understand them so even though you can't possibly be afraid of them you should be afraid of them because of that."
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What ever happened to scaring people with the simple "there is an axe murderer in your house" stuff? I seriously doubt we've stopped fearing real psychopaths.[/QUOTE]
Fear of the unknown is often the scariest.
[QUOTE=KanonieR;17066766]Fear of the unknown is often the scariest.[/QUOTE]
The only people who fear the unknown are infants and republicans.
I'm sure it's been posted, but here's all of his stories online for free.
[url]http://www.dagonbytes.com/thelibrary/lovecraft/[/url]
HP Lovecraft was ambitious with his horror. How scary is some crazy guy with an axe compared to the Goat with a Thousand Young? It's a GOAT! With a thousand young! Damn!
But seriously, the idea is that there things that have gone in the past, things going on now, and things that will be going on in the future...and Man can't do jack shit about it. Humans think we are the center of everything, everything important that happens involves people. The real horror of Lovecraft's stories is the concept that man is a small speck of meaningless dust compared to what's REALLY going on.
[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;17067099]HP Lovecraft was ambitious with his horror. How scary is some crazy guy with an axe compared to the Goat with a Thousand Young? It's a GOAT! With a thousand young! Damn!
But seriously, the idea is that there things that have gone in the past, things going on now, and things that will be going on in the future...and Man can't do jack shit about it. Humans think we are the center of everything, everything important that happens involves people. The real horror of Lovecraft's stories is the concept that man is a small speck of meaningless dust compared to what's REALLY going on.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that's the embodiment of Lovecraft's writing as well as his viewpoint on the universe.
He's an idiot.
Read "The White Ship". That one is somewhat different from the other storys he has made. Atleast from the ones i've read. The white ship fucking rocks. So beautiful :( .
[QUOTE=Lankist;17066349]Yes, belittle the concept with absolutely no retort or intellectual counterpoint. Way to go.[/QUOTE]
Oh, then let me expound. Don't sit at your computer and act as though you've read the entire library of Sigmund Freud and spent twice that time jotting down countless notes on all of the horror ever written. Once again, what you have there [b]is an opinion[/b], you're not going to make someone who thinks his writing is great, think it's terrible because you're so damn smart and they're not. Justify this how you see fit, the fact of the matter is you're trying to force your thoughts down other people's throats.
[QUOTE=Gorgonoth;17068795]Oh, then let me expound. Don't sit at your computer and act as though you've read the entire library of Sigmund Freud and spent twice that time jotting down countless notes on all of the horror ever written. Once again, what you have there [b]is an opinion[/b], you're not going to make someone who thinks his writing is great, think it's terrible because you're so damn smart and they're not. Justify this how you see fit, the fact of the matter is you're trying to force your thoughts down other people's throats.[/QUOTE]
Yes he will, he's lankist.
[QUOTE=Gorgonoth;17068795]Oh, then let me expound. Don't sit at your computer and act as though you've read the entire library of Sigmund Freud and spent twice that time jotting down countless notes on all of the horror ever written. Once again, what you have there [b]is an opinion[/b], you're not going to make someone who thinks his writing is great, think it's terrible because you're so damn smart and they're not. Justify this how you see fit, the fact of the matter is you're trying to force your thoughts down other people's throats.[/QUOTE]
And you aren't.
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In my opinion it is a matter of fact.
In your opinion it is a matter of opinion.
Stop forcing your opinion on me.
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I can't handle someone disagreeing with me so I'm going to go on a poorly written rant about how nobody should ever present a philosophy in conflict with my own. You can have an opinion as long as you don't say it.
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In case you haven't picked up I am making fun of you.
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I just want to make that absolutely clear before I might inadvertently offend you for forcing upon you the opinion that you have sand in your literary vagina.
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It's an opinion so you can't argue with it
You have a problem with Lovecraft.
[i]I have a problem with you.[/i]
I love the creatures! They are the most alien creatures anyone had thought of at the time! Of course some of them have human features, but not all! It has been said here before that to see the creature, would cause the viewer to lose their sanity. Hence the "Lack of description" you complained about.
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