[QUOTE=Chippay;17078119]ah yes, that pinochet fellow certainly was great, shame about his personal views
ah yes, that hitler fellow certainly was great, shame about his personal views
ah yes, that mussolinni fellow certainly was great, shame about his personal views
ah yes, that idi amin fellow certainly was great, shame about his personal views[/QUOTE]
Faulty comparisons.
Lovecraft was not a dictator. Idi Amin didn't write weird fiction. If he did, and didn't kill gajillions of Ugandans (real statistic) people might have gone, "That Idi Amin fellow wrote good stories. Shame about his personal views.
Certainly none of us are saying Lovecraft should have been president, except Trotsky's avatar.
Hitler wrote crazy ass books too.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;17078414]
Certainly none of us are saying Lovecraft should have been president, except Trotsky's avatar.[/QUOTE]
[img]http://www.revenantmagazine.com/HPLFF08.jpg[/img]
Comes from here.
[QUOTE=Lankist;17078417]Hitler wrote crazy ass books too.[/QUOTE]
But Lovecraft didn't kill 6 million Jews. That's why the comparison is a little faulty. He didn't like Jews, but hell he married one.
Also, Hitler didn't write fiction, he wrote shit about his crazy-ass views
[QUOTE=Lankist;17078410]And?[/QUOTE]
He was terrific writer. So fucking what if he was racist. I read his stories, not his political views.
You didn't once consider the implications of putting him on a political poster?
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[QUOTE=Trotsky;17078459]He was terrific writer. So fucking what if he was racist. I read his stories, not his political views.[/QUOTE]
No he wasn't. He was a terrible writer.
[QUOTE=Lankist;17078462]No he wasn't. He was a terrible writer.[/QUOTE]
Opppiinniiiooonn
Even if he was a shitty writer and Hitler was godlike:
Good books + Holocaust < Shit books + no genocide
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;17078458]But Lovecraft didn't kill 6 million Jews. That's why the comparison is a little faulty. He didn't like Jews, but hell he married one.
Also, Hitler didn't write fiction, he wrote shit about his crazy-ass views[/QUOTE]
He would have killed 6 million of something if Cthulu were real.
And Hitler's jewish conspiracy was pretty fictional.
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[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;17078477]Opppiinniiiooonn[/QUOTE]
I realize that. When he says "He is a terrific writer" I say "He is a terrible writer."
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Also to imply political views do not influence a fiction writer's works is beyond words.
That's @ Trotsky
[QUOTE=Lankist;17078479]Also to imply political views do not influence a fiction writer's works is beyond words.
That's @ Trotsky[/QUOTE]
They clearly did.
[QUOTE=Lankist;17078462]You didn't once consider the implications of putting him on a political poster?[/quote]
I'm supposed to care?
[quote]No he wasn't. He was a terrible writer.[/QUOTE]
Oh, I forgot, how can I disagree with you?
I mean, you have a law degree after all.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;17078501]They clearly did.[/QUOTE]
Precisely. Acknowledging them is fine, but pretending they don't exist in his works like Trotsky is doing is either stupidly blind or secretly in agreement.
[QUOTE=Trotsky;17078518]Oh, I forgot, how can I disagree with you?
I mean, you have a law degree after all.[/QUOTE]
Twice in two different threads. C'mon. Some originality please.
[QUOTE=Lankist;17078479]
Also to imply political views do not influence a fiction writer's works is beyond words.
That's @ Trotsky[/QUOTE]
that's cool
never said they did
but that's cool
[QUOTE=Trotsky;17078394]You compared Lovecraft to Hitler.[/QUOTE]
on one hand i admire communist ideals so much that i named myself after a man advocating international revolution and unity among all peoples
on the other i just can't get enough shitty scifi fiction from a man who compares black people to apes
[QUOTE=Trotsky;17078518]I mean, you have a law degree after all.[/QUOTE]
I like how your only argument in like five different threads has been "hurr durr you're educated" as though pointing that out incessantly is going to help your case.
[QUOTE=Lankist;17078524]Precisely. Acknowledging them is fine, but pretending they don't exist in his works like Trotsky is doing is either stupidly blind or secretly in agreement.[/QUOTE]
Okay, good. So am I safe from your wrath in saying, "His views on race and such were shit and showed up in his works but I still enjoy them as a whole?"
I don't agree that anyone's DEFENDING RACISM AND CLASSISM by liking Lovecraft as Chippay seems to think
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[QUOTE=Chippay;17078534]on one hand i admire communist ideals so much that i named myself after a man advocating international revolution and unity among all peoples
on the other i just can't get enough shitty scifi fiction from a man who compares black people to apes[/QUOTE]
Are you going to make a reasonable argument besides, "You're not allowed to like this fiction because I don't and its authors political and racial views were shit" or can we just argue around you?
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;17078544]Okay, good. So am I safe from your wrath in saying, "His views on race and such were shit and showed up in his works but I still enjoy them as a whole?"
I don't agree that anyone's DEFENDING RACISM AND CLASSISM by liking Lovecraft as Chippay seems to think[/QUOTE]
Of course not, the racist apologists are the ones who try to pretend there was no racism in his works.
For instance:
If I read Mein Kampf and acknowledge Hitler being a lunatic bigot, I'm just reading Mein Kampf.
If I read Mein Kampf and pretend I am not reading his lunacy but instead an entirely coherent and non-politically charged work, I am one of two things: Stupid or racist.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;17078414]Faulty comparisons.
Lovecraft was not a dictator. Idi Amin didn't write weird fiction. If he did, and didn't kill gajillions of Ugandans (real statistic) people might have gone, "That Idi Amin fellow wrote good stories. Shame about his personal views.
Certainly none of us are saying Lovecraft should have been president, except Trotsky's avatar.[/QUOTE]
hey i'm just pointing out ridiculous shit here
i was talking in general though, not just about writers, dear
i know how you love to defend your favourite racist
Hitler reference
[QUOTE=Lankist;17078574]Of course not, the racist apologists are the ones who try to pretend there was no racism in his works.
For instance:
If I read Mein Kampf and acknowledge Hitler being a lunatic bigot, I'm just reading Mein Kampf.
If I read Mein Kampf and pretend I am not reading his lunacy but instead an entirely coherent and non-politically charged work, I am one of two things: Stupid or racist.[/QUOTE]
Wait shit, so I'm not safe from your wrath?
fuck don't stab me
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;17078544]
Are you going to make a reasonable argument besides, "You're not allowed to like this fiction because I don't and its authors political and racial views were shit" or can we just argue around you?[/QUOTE]
it's more along the lines of
'i pretend i'm a communist while i defend a man who compares black people to apes and shits all over the pitiful lower classes'
this is my argument
it's not even an argument really, it's absolute fact
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perhaps my faux-communist beliefs won't be questioned if i rate someone dumb!
[QUOTE=Chippay;17078593]it's more along the lines of
'i pretend i'm a communist while i defend a man who compares black people to apes and shits all over the pitiful lower classes'
this is my argument
it's not even an argument really, it's absolute fact[/QUOTE]
Well you think I pretend to be a capitalist, but am really a communist who is (sort of) on Trotsky's side (OF COURSE BECAUSE I'M A SECRET TROTSKYITE) so what does that make me
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;17078609]Well you think I pretend to be a capitalist, but am really a communist who is (sort of) on Trotsky's side (OF COURSE BECAUSE I'M A SECRET TROTSKYITE) so what does that make me[/QUOTE]
in denial.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;17078590]Wait shit, so I'm not safe from your wrath?
fuck don't stab me[/QUOTE]
No, you are. You recognize his racist tendencies and that they have an influence on his work.
[QUOTE=Chippay;17078615]in denial.[/QUOTE]
Well I won't argue that
I MEAN I WILL I LOVE BIG BUSINESS
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[QUOTE=Lankist;17078617]No, you are. You recognize his racist tendencies and that they have an influence on his work.[/QUOTE]
Bro grabs
Oh god, now I'm a capitalist pretending to be a communist pretending to be a capitalist
The fuck double post
[QUOTE=Lankist;17078578]Hitler reference[/QUOTE]
I would like to inform you that me and a few other members of the community have donated these boxes to every post you've made as they accurately represent the attributed post and your persona.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;17078609] (OF COURSE BECAUSE I'M A SECRET TROTSKYITE)[/QUOTE]
And a racist and classist.
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