[QUOTE=ShadowSocks8;32834008]If you outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, pretty much.
[QUOTE=bull3tmagn3t;32443499]I live in Canada[/QUOTE]
Well lets keep it in Canada then. While we're at it, lets ban violent games because it's prove (Columbine) to promote violent behavior and promote violent actions.
Gardens, we have such a large and reliable system through out the world, what's the need for gardening? Ban that too.
Cars, public transit is so wide and available we should make cars something of the past. I don't have one, so no one needs one. (I actually do have one I quite like)
Fast food, sex, fire, hell lets ban everything but using the toilet, eating and working, certainly nothing else is needed. It's all just time consuming uselessness.
I like firearms, I utilize firearms, I have firearms, you don't like them nor does your country? Good for you guys, keep it in your own boarders. Because what's good for the goose is not always good for the gander.
[QUOTE=Weps;32859101]Well lets keep it in Canada then. While we're at it, lets ban violent games because it's prove (Columbine) to promote violent behavior and promote violent actions.
Gardens, we have such a large and reliable system through out the world, what's the need for gardening? Ban that too.
Cars, public transit is so wide and available we should make cars something of the past. I don't have one, so no one needs one. (I actually do have one I quite like)
Fast food, sex, fire, hell lets ban everything but using the toilet, eating and working, certainly nothing else is needed. It's all just time consuming uselessness.
I like firearms, I utilize firearms, I have firearms, you don't like them nor does your country? Good for you guys, keep it in your own boarders. Because what's good for the goose is not always good for the gander.[/QUOTE]
This. Like Weps, I like firearms, and I have them. My family currently has 10 rifles and 3 handguns (although 1 handgun is deadly to the person firing it...) and I have fired all but 3 rifles and 1 handgun (the deadly one, I [i]really[/i] don't want to die). Believe me when I say that there is a point to firearms: Self defense, and personal entertainment.
I do not support the banning or restriction of firearms under any circumstances.
Firearms are not only to protect your self and property, but also to overthrow the government if and when it turns corrupt.
"When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."
The only gun law I support is the second amendment.
Citizens should be able to own any sort of firearm, but a mental health check would be a good decision.
Leaving aside the personal defence and hunting aspect, what's the point of using a lethal weapon for target shooting? It seems like an odd sport when you could just use air rifles of some description.
[editline]23rd October 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;32386497]Posting this here:
[url]http://gunfacts.info/pdfs/gun-facts/5.1/gun-facts-5.1-screen.pdf[/url][/QUOTE]
Reading through this again after a year or two I realise how much of a fucking joke it is as 'evidence' for anything.
'Fact: Indeed, the Swiss basically have a military rifle in nearly every closest'
'Myth: The United States has the highest violence rate because of lax gun control
Fact: The top 10 countries for homicide do not include the U.S'
Sure, but a quick search on Wikipedia shows data from the FBI that places the US significantly higher on the murder rate than any other developed nation in the world. It's not that impressive that the US has a lower murder rate than Honduras and Mexico, but the fact that it is higher than any of the first world despite having a lower assault rate isn't something to be proud of.
'Myth: Guns from the U.S. create crime in other countries
Fact: Canada, which shares the longest and most open border with the U.S., doesn't think so, saying that guns from the U.S. are a "small part" of the problem.'
Cool, I wonder which other countries sharing a long border with the US might disagree...
[QUOTE=gamefreek76;32917538]I do not support the banning or restriction of firearms under any circumstances.
Firearms are not only to protect your self and property, but also to overthrow the government if and when it turns corrupt.
"When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."
The only gun law I support is the second amendment.[/QUOTE]
I support this.
[QUOTE=kaine123;32581217]If people are going to use guns in a responsible manner (target shooting, hunting, personal defense is rural areas,) than by all means let them. The problem is with idiots and criminals who aren't going to use them correctly. We need to set up a system that can allow the responsible users to purchase guns, but one that filters the idiots out. The thing is that it would be very difficult to implement that sort of system correctly.[/QUOTE]
I don't know how it is in a lot of places, but here in Missouri you have to get a background check through the sherifs department to get a handgun last i checked. Nothing too extreme, but still it's a check of sorts.
My problems with gun control has always been that when you make it illegal to own one, people who legally want one can't have them, and it assumes that making it illegal will keep "bad guys" from doing the same. But someone who's planning to commit crimes with the gun probably isn't too concerned with the legality of owning it, and would find some back door way to obtain one.
It's like drugs. They are illegal, but people can still get them. How many people in the US know someone who has smoked pot in their lives? While it's not quite the same as guns, it's along the same lines. It's illegal to have, but not impossible to get.
So why take a means for defense away from people who plan to use their guns legally, and plan to use it for defense if needed? To get a CCW permit here in the state you have to take an 8 hour class the includes covering what to do if you need to use your gun for defense of yourself or someone else, the state laws you would be dealing with, and a qualification shooting of 70 rounds on a semi-auto handgun, and a revolver. That course is usually around $100. Then you have to apply at your local sherif to get your CCW permit after another background check, and being finger printed. That costs between 30 and 100 more.
I feel like gun control is a good way to make sure that guns aren't just getting handed out like candy on halloween, but a full out gun ban is in my mind, a bad idea.
People who want to commit crimes will do it one way or another. May as well give people something to protect themselves with, if they chose to do so.
[QUOTE=Mlisen14;32919386]Cool, I wonder which other countries sharing a long border with the US might disagree...[/QUOTE]
I don't know, lets ask the federal agency who's sole job it is to make sure that never happens.
[QUOTE=Mlisen14;32919386]Leaving aside the personal defence and hunting aspect, what's the point of using a lethal weapon for target shooting? It seems like an odd sport when you could just use air rifles of some description.[/QUOTE]
What's the point of using bows for target shooting?? It seems like an odd sport when you could just use rocks of some description. :downs:
Same argument...
[editline]25th October 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Mlisen14;32919386]
Reading through this again after a year or two I realise how much of a fucking joke it is as 'evidence' for anything.
'Fact: Indeed, the Swiss basically have a military rifle in nearly every closest'
'Myth: The United States has the highest violence rate because of lax gun control
Fact: The top 10 countries for homicide do not include the U.S'
Sure, but a quick search on Wikipedia shows data from the FBI that places the US significantly higher on the murder rate than any other developed nation in the world. It's not that impressive that the US has a lower murder rate than Honduras and Mexico, but the fact that it is higher than any of the first world despite having a lower assault rate isn't something to be proud of.
'Myth: Guns from the U.S. create crime in other countries
Fact: Canada, which shares the longest and most open border with the U.S., doesn't think so, saying that guns from the U.S. are a "small part" of the problem.'
Cool, I wonder which other countries sharing a long border with the US might disagree...[/QUOTE]
And that means what in regards to gun control? Nothing. You are really shortsighted if you think the murder and crime rate in general in the US is high because of lax gun control (which isn't remotely lax in some states), and not because of massive social and economical problems.
[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;32949648]What's the point of using bows for target shooting?? It seems like an odd sport when you could just use rocks of some description. :downs:
Same argument...
[editline]25th October 2011[/editline]
And that means what in regards to gun control? Nothing. You are really shortsighted if you think the murder and crime rate in general in the US is high because of lax gun control (which isn't remotely lax in some states), and not because of massive social and economical problems.[/QUOTE]
I'm just pointing out the flaws in the completely biased 'evidence' that the document uses.
I'm all for allowing citizens to own guns but the idea that a murderer couldn't meet the requirements of being over 18 being mentally sound and knowing how to operate the murder weapon is just silly.
It's still a scary thought, gun control. Whether people can legally obtain guns or not, there will always be a black market. And really, you can obtain a weapon fast enough to go out killing dozens of people before you have to pay back a loan, get arrested/shot to death/commit suicide, and it all that time you can do irreversible damage if you are NOT afraid of dying or spending a life sentence. That sometimes scares me.
It's pointless,The criminal get the weapons illegally from black market anyway.In fact i believe that deaths of people could be prevented if they were allowed to carry weapons
[QUOTE=Kanshi;32953064]I'm all for allowing citizens to own guns but the idea that a murderer couldn't meet the requirements of being over 18 being mentally sound and knowing how to operate the murder weapon is just silly.[/QUOTE]
It's beside the point. Gun control does one thing : controls legal firearms. That's it.
For someone wanting to commit armed crime, be it robbery, murder or a mass shooting spree, acquiring a black market firearm is easier and more efficient in every way. There's no background checks, no waiting periods, no registry and most of all, it costs far less.
[QUOTE=Mlisen14;32919386]Leaving aside the personal defence and hunting aspect, what's the point of using a lethal weapon for target shooting? It seems like an odd sport when you could just use air rifles of some description.
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What's the point of javelin-throwing? Why do we race actual cars instead of simulators?
Besides, firing an air rifle is not like firing a proper firearm (and can be just as dangerous).
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