[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32390800]It's not because it's a right that it shouldn't be watched over though.[/QUOTE]
Indeed! I'm all for thorough background checks and improving the means of evaluating peoples mental stability. I'm all for that. You break the rules you lose some of these rights (convicts etc etc).
I absolutely detest the practices employed in states like New York, California and Illinois to name a few. Where people who want to pursue an interest in firearms have to wrestle with a enormous proverbial bureaucratic troll to even own a handgun (especially New York) and get treated like shit in process. 'You want to own a FIREARM?! you are a terrible terrible human being'
I would murder for a hand-gun!
Nah, but I'd like to try shooting one. Don't see the harm in weapons as long as you know how to use em (common sense applies mostly)
Legalization of drugs resulted in less drug use. Legalization of guns (as long as you can own them with the right permits) should result in less gun use(crime).
I believe you should be able to own autos as long as they are part of a valid collection as approves by the government/police on a per-request basis. It's preservation of history, and I believe that preserving this kind of history is important, as a reminder to us of what happens in a situation of total war.
As stupid as I sound, I think it only works for America. Look at here. We're so fucking strict on guns they even banned fucking BB guns. Not just that, like 80% of the people here thinks guns are extremely dumb.
I don't know or care about guns in other countries, but in the U.S. no weapon can be constitutionally banned. All gun or weapon bans are outright unconstitutional in all regards. The Second Amendment is clear as crystal.
Also, the Second Amendment has nothing to do with personal defense or hunting or sporting etc. It only has to do with having a last resort if the militia is being controlled by an oppressive government.
[QUOTE=shian;32392222]As stupid as I sound, I think it only works for America. Look at here. We're so fucking strict on guns they even banned fucking BB guns. Not just that, like 80% of the people here thinks guns are extremely dumb.[/QUOTE]
You also execute people for "discharging a firearm", gun control sure seems to be working as the government kills the ones with guns. And also a lot of unarmed citizens too, don't you have like the highest rate of people murdered by the government per capita?
[editline]20th September 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=lulzbocksV2;32392267]I don't know or care about guns in other countries, but in the U.S. no weapon can be constitutionally banned.[/QUOTE]
dem commie obama thinks me has no right for a nukular weapons!
[QUOTE=evilking1;32392292]dem commie obama thinks me has no right for a nukular weapons![/QUOTE]
Never said I agreed with it, it's the truth though. But you're just sounding like an idiot, mocking me for something I never said nor implied.
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[QUOTE=lulzbocksV2;32392360]Never said I agreed with it, it's the truth though. But you're just sounding like an idiot, mocking me for something I never said nor implied.[/QUOTE]
Not mocking you, just pointing out that if it's unconstitutional to ban a nuke, why can't I own one?
Doesn't the constitution come before the other laws? Or is it really that the consitution doesn't state that people can have ANY and EVERY sort of guns.
[QUOTE=joost1120;32391855]Legalization of drugs resulted in less drug use. Legalization of guns (as long as you can own them with the right permits) should result in less gun use(crime).[/QUOTE]
It doesn't always work that way. If some drugs when legalized were less used it's because it wasn't as cool or whatever to, say, smoke a joint now that everyone can do it freely. Guns are a tool to threaten or kill people, not something that it's cool to have because it's illegal (it's already legal to have quite a long list of standard firearms by the way).
[QUOTE=evilking1;32392292]You also execute people for "discharging a firearm", gun control sure seems to be working as the government kills the ones with guns. And also a lot of unarmed citizens too, don't you have like the highest rate of people murdered by the government per capita?
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Yeah, the part about owning a firearm=death sounds really dumb. But the reason why they got rid of guns was because the countries around us all have black markets with all sort of guns.
And actually, the crime rate is fucking low compared to America.
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And actually, the crime rate is fucking low compared to America.[/QUOTE]
True, and human rights violations sure are a small price to pay for it.
[QUOTE=evilking1;32392440]Not mocking you, just pointing out that if it's unconstitutional to ban a nuke, why can't I own one?[/quote]
Because someone made an unconstitutional law.
[quote]Doesn't the constitution come before the other laws? Or is it really that the consitution doesn't state that people can have ANY and EVERY sort of guns.[/QUOTE]
The U.S. Constitution is the supreme law of the land. The Second Amendment is very clear.
[QUOTE=lulzbocksV2;32392669]Because someone made an unconstitutional law.
The U.S. Constitution is the supreme law of the land. The Second Amendment is very clear.[/QUOTE]
Well isn't there like the justice system to handle unconstitutionality of the laws? Or maybe you just interept the amendment wrong.
You know there's something funny called rewriting the constitution.
You should probably think about stopping respecting religiously a three centuries years old document and start improving it a bit.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32392497]It doesn't always work that way. If some drugs when legalized were less used it's because it wasn't as cool or whatever to, say, smoke a joint now that everyone can do it freely. [b]Guns are a tool to threaten or kill people, not something that it's cool to have because it's illegal (it's already legal to have quite a long list of standard firearms by the way)[/b].[/QUOTE]
Not really, guns are used for a wide variety of things, recreation sporting, competition, hunting for sport or food, protection, etc. I'm a proud gun owner, the people who wanna do bad shit to innocent people can get their hands on guns, so I made it my priority to learn and practice the use of firearms, and advocate the safety of the use of them for casual recreation use of said guns, but I have pride in the fact that I can effectively use a variety of guns to a far better degree then some thug who wants to steal my shit and/or stab/shoot me or any innocent person.
That being said I live a mile from the number one crime city in New York state (per capita). Last year 70 drug dealers from both the Bloods and the Latin Kings were indicted in a huge FBI drug sting.
#22 - Newburgh, NY - [url]http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/neighborhoods/crime-rates/top100dangerous/[/url]
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32392759]You know there's something funny called rewriting the constitution.
You should probably think about stopping respecting religiously a three centuries years old document and start improving it a bit.[/QUOTE]
And it has been. 2nd Amendment is a part of the Bill of Rights. They're intended to be the untouchables.
They're incredibly important if you study and understand just how significant they are you may look at it in a different light.
Still think indicating arms are available to everyone, given you are in good mental health and not registered as a criminal would be a huge step forward.
[editline]20th September 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=nivek;32393030]Not really, guns are used for a wide variety of things, recreation sporting, competition, hunting for sport or food, protection, etc. I'm a proud gun owner, the people who wanna do bad shit to innocent people can get their hands on guns, so I made it my priority to learn and practice the use of firearms, and advocate the safety of the use of them for casual recreation use of said guns, but I have pride in the fact that I can effectively use a variety of guns to a far better degree then some thug who wants to steal my shit and/or stab/shoot me or any innocent person.
That being said I live a mile from the number one crime city in New York state (per capita). Last year 70 drug dealers from both the Bloods and the Latin Kings were indicted in a huge FBI drug sting.
#22 - Newburgh, NY - [url]http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/neighborhoods/crime-rates/top100dangerous/[/url][/QUOTE]
Guns were created in the first place to kill things the same way javelins were created to kill the opposing army with a distance. They then became sports.
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[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32393186]Guns were created in the first place to kill things the same way javelins were created to kill the opposing army with a distance. They then became sports.[/QUOTE]
Sure, but you said; "Guns are a tool to threaten or kill people". Not really, Well first, guns can be used to kill pretty much anything, not necessarily people. Also there are a variety of guns that are created and used for only sporting. A lot of people buy guns for recreational use, not to kill anything but just shoot targets and be familiar with the use of guns and the responsibility and safety required.
Guns aren't necessarily a tool to kill people, just like survival knives aren't a tool made for stabbing people; but for camping and cutting shit in the woods.
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How does carrying concealed weapons work in America? Just want to know.
The only guns I would control in a social environment are automatics. Anything other than that should be perfectly legal.
In terms of buying firearms, it should be a very strict code to allow someone to buy one; people with violence-related criminal records should be taken into high account.
[QUOTE=Daemon;32393500]As a british person i wholeheartedly hate the knives argument.
As we know, knives will never be shafted because of their specific uses. People mention that because they know it is as ridiculous as it sounds but you can't say no or you're agreeing with their argument.
But it's also like you are saying, "well knives kill people so why shouldn't we be allowed to own things that kill people?"
I know you didn't mention this directly but just incase or anyone else, please don't use this to forward your point.[/QUOTE]
Actually, from what I heard, Gordon Brown wanted to ban pointed knives to reduce knife crime if he'd gotten re-elected. So yes, stupid bans even extend to things like that.
My thoughts:
Guns don't kill people, irrationality kills people. Guns, in their earliest forms, have been used for thousands of years for hunting and sport, why must we limit something just because it is capable of killing? Butter kills more people a year than guns, yet you can buy it without even having a permit.
Also, people will ALWAYS find a way to get guns, much like drugs.
What about the non lethal weapons in development which knock back incapacitate people? I would say I would much rather use those than a firearm that causes a slow, painful, bleeding death if you don't hit them in the head. That way you could let the law take care of them after the situation is over. We don't allow guns for self-defense in the UK, sure you can illegally get your hands on one with some work but it's minimized. I would however support non-lethal weapons to be distributed throughout and their use taught in the higher years of high schools.
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[QUOTE=shian;32393557]How does carrying concealed weapons work in America? Just want to know.[/QUOTE]
It varies by state/county. In some states you can easily buy a pistol and conceal it, or get a permit to open carry it. In other states, such as mine (New York) you need to apply for a pistol permit, and get accepted to carry it, and it MUST be concealed, the laws are more strict in some areas than others. New York is a tough state to conceal a pistol.
[editline]20th September 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Daemon;32393830]Indeed. Also which people could mistake it for the banning of knives but specifically pointed knives, addressing how knives were unecessarily pointed. Modifying knives making them rounded at the tip would have been implemented.[/QUOTE]
That's just silly, I wouldn't enjoy a knife unless it had a pointed tip.
Look, this has been statistically proven in the USA. When innocent people are allowed to be armed at all times, crime rates drop. Criminals won't risk their lives, in most cases, to rob somebody that is probably armed. Look at the crime rates in DC over the last couple years. The DC police were sued for how they issued carry permits. When they changed this law to allow anyone to carry, crime took a total 180. Here in Maryland where I live, nobody except law enforcement, military and certain business owners can carry a gun, and even they have stipulations they have to abide by. Maryland has pretty much the highest violent crime rate in the country (yes, MUCH higher than LA).
The argument is simple, arm everybody and survival of the fittest will happen. I'm tired of all these babies bitching about "oh guns are bad we should protect everybody." Well news flash pussies, if you outlaw guns, only the outlaws will have guns.
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