[QUOTE=milkandcooki;32400257]I'm replying to this, but I feel the need to voice my opinion on this.
Buying a gun in this day in age doesn't meet you're planning on ending someone's life for your own safety, not at all. A vast majority of gun owners buy and collect guns for the same reason other hobbyists do: For fun. Guns are fun to shoot out at a range or in your massive secluded property. If you're an avid hunter, you'll most likely own a gun or two to take down prey. Not only that, but guns make excellent collectors items and wall hangers.
Also, the reasoning that "ASSAULT WEAPONS ARE USED TO KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE" is absolutely true, sure, but that doesn't mean all gun owners are psychopaths who plan to gun down innocent people. Thousands are killed every year due to guns in the US, and I doubt that all of those murderers were members of the NRA.[/QUOTE]Exactly. People are too uptight these days.
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;32400257]I'm replying to this, but I feel the need to voice my opinion on this.
Buying a gun in this day in age doesn't meet you're planning on ending someone's life for your own safety, not at all. A vast majority of gun owners buy and collect guns for the same reason other hobbyists do: For fun. Guns are fun to shoot out at a range or in your massive secluded property. If you're an avid hunter, you'll most likely own a gun or two to take down prey. Not only that, but guns make excellent collectors items and wall hangers.
Also, the reasoning that "ASSAULT WEAPONS ARE USED TO KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE" is absolutely true, sure, but that doesn't mean all gun owners are psychopaths who plan to gun down innocent people. Thousands are killed every year due to guns in the US, and I doubt that all of those murderers were members of the NRA.[/QUOTE]
If I could rate a winner I would.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32400287]Give me some sources that prove [i]exactly[/i] what you're saying or I'm well within my rights to just dismiss it as bullshit.
1) You don't know they're homicidal.
2) Yes[/QUOTE]Here is an example... recently in Bel Air, MD, where I used to live...a person was shot to death, I think it was a robbery. The person who shot the person was out on bail for attempted murder.
Regarding protecting myself, I will not hesitate to neutralize a threat entering my house at 3am. It's dark, and I have no idea what they have on them, what drugs they are on and what they intend to do. I will inform them I am armed, and I will engage my laser sight which typically scares the shit out of anybody. If they do not leave, I will open fire.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32400287]Give me some sources that prove [i]exactly[/i] what you're saying or I'm well within my rights to just dismiss it as bullshit.
1) You don't know they're homicidal.
2) Yes[/QUOTE]
So say that they demand your life savings, and credit cards and the like. They are armed and look desperate, sure talking them down is an option But what I would do is scared them off. No one can stare down the barrel of a shotgun and keep their composure. No one dead, police called, and hopefully the poor sod is apprehended.
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Ninja'd lol
[QUOTE=N-12_Aden;32400355]So say that they demand your life savings, and credit cards and the like. They are armed and look desperate, sure talking them down is an option But what I would do is scared them off. No one can stare down the barrel of a shotgun and keep their composure. No one dead, police called, and hopefully the poor sod is apprehended.
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Ninja'd lol[/QUOTE]If they are intent enough they will open fire on you when they see a weapon. Get low, and peek around a door frame. Shotguns give away your position too much.
[QUOTE=faze;32400338]Here is an example... recently in Bel Air, MD, where I used to live...a person was shot to death, I think it was a robbery. The person who shot the person was out on bail for attempted murder.[/quote]
[b]Link me to a source.[/b]
This is now the fourth time I have requested something to back up your arguments.
[QUOTE=faze;32400338]Regarding protecting myself, I will not hesitate to neutralize a threat entering my house at 3am. It's dark, and I have no idea what they have on them, what drugs they are on and what they intend to do. I will inform them I am armed, and I will engage my laser sight which typically scares the shit out of anybody. If they do not leave, I will open fire.[/QUOTE]
See? You announced your intentions (twice, actually) and the person should now be well aware that you're armed and ready to defend yourself. The actions you're taking are the actions that should be required by law, and it doesn't seem like you disagree.
I didnt really think it was an argument lol, just a statement. Thats why I dont really use stories other than stuff universally known. I meant if they werent armed with a firearm, if they are armed with a firearm than there is no contest that I would shoot.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32400430][b]Link me to a source.[/b]
This is now the fourth time I have requested something to back up your arguments.
See? You announced your intentions (twice, actually) and the person should now be well aware that you're armed and ready to defend yourself. The actions you're taking are the actions that should be required by law, and it doesn't seem like you disagree.[/QUOTE]That story is so old I can't find it. Statistically speaking judges in this state do not have accountability. Follow WJZ TV Baltimore and WBAL 11 on Facebook.
Those two announcements will be within seconds of each other. I live in a 600 square foot apartment (2000 square foot townhome in a couple months) but right now with my bedroom door in view of the front door, I have very little time to make a decision that will mean life or death for me. I protect me and my own first, I don't care about some low life scum trying to rob me. Sorry to sound so mean, but if he's breaking in at 3am, it's his own fault if I kill him.
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[QUOTE=Zeke129;32400430][b]Link me to a source.[/b]
This is now the fourth time I have requested something to back up your arguments.
See? You announced your intentions (twice, actually) and the person should now be well aware that you're armed and ready to defend yourself. The actions you're taking are the actions that should be required by law, and it doesn't seem like you disagree.[/QUOTE]Wait, this is the incident. The shooter was on bail.
[url]http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2010-07-18/news/bs-md-ha-double-shooting-20100718_1_bel-air-police-department-parking-lot-girl[/url]
[QUOTE=faze;32400500]Wait, this is the incident. The shooter was on bail.
[url]http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2010-07-18/news/bs-md-ha-double-shooting-20100718_1_bel-air-police-department-parking-lot-girl[/url][/QUOTE]
As far as I can tell, that's an exceptional case considering the last homicide was in 2006.
[QUOTE=faze;32399647]That is how it should be!
I have a Mossberg 640, shoots 22WMR, Mosin Nagant, Tokarev, AK-47 and a Hi-Point 45ACP.
Full auto requires a class 3 license and the weapon must be made before 1986[/QUOTE]
I prefer shooting the CZ52 but w/e
you actually have a legit AK47? not a Bulgy or Romanian version? or an AKM?
I won't get into the whole owning of guns aspect, as I'm British and seem to think entirely differently than Americans, in that I don't believe armed citizens could even possibly hope to fight oppression, but concerning home defence, if they are running away, fleeing the scene or had just entered your house and you shoot them, you should be tried for at least some form of murder.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32400560]As far as I can tell, that's an exceptional case considering the last homicide was in 2006.[/QUOTE]Yeah 2006 was a guy that slit a guys throat in the parking lot of KFC after road raging.
The point is, stories like the link I posted happen all the time. Criminal out on bail because the judge doesn't care, and more bad things happen.
Case and point, MD judges have no accountability.
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[QUOTE=trotskygrad;32400571]I prefer shooting the CZ52 but w/e
you actually have a legit AK47? not a Bulgy or Romanian version? or an AKM?[/QUOTE]I have a Zastava PAP. Brand new, all Zastava parts, and straight from Serbia. Also has a chrome lined barrel. :)
[QUOTE=faze;32400500]I have very little time to make a decision that will mean life or death for me. I protect me and my own first, I don't care about some low life scum trying to rob me. Sorry to sound so mean, but if he's breaking in at 3am, it's his own fault if I kill him.[/quote]
Protecting your own life with lethal force is completely acceptable, protecting your things isn't. But given your living situation and the fact that there's really only one good way in and out, I wouldn't fault you for firing on someone who came through that door in a violent manner without any indication of who they are or what they're doing.
[QUOTE=faze;32400500]
Wait, this is the incident. The shooter was on bail.
[url]http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2010-07-18/news/bs-md-ha-double-shooting-20100718_1_bel-air-police-department-parking-lot-girl[/url][/QUOTE]
Wait, this is a shooting in a parking lot, not someone's dwelling. Are you sure you gave me the right link because this doesn't have anything to do with judges siding against homeowners who use lethal force, which is what I requested you prove to me.
[QUOTE=faze;32400584]Yeah 2006 was a guy that slit a guys throat in the parking lot of KFC after road raging.
The point is, stories like the link I posted happen all the time. Criminal out on bail because the judge doesn't care, and more bad things happen.
Case and point, MD judges have no accountability.[/QUOTE]
It happens all the time, yet the last homicide was 5 years ago?
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[QUOTE=Zeke129;32400605]Wait, this is a shooting in a parking lot, not someone's dwelling. Are you sure you gave me the right link because this doesn't have anything to do with judges siding against homeowners who use lethal force, which is what I requested you prove to me.[/QUOTE]
He was trying to make a statement about MD judges being unaccountable, by providing one source that doesn't even have to do with the type of issue we're talking about.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32400605]Protecting your own life with lethal force is completely acceptable, protecting your things isn't. But given your living situation and the fact that there's really only one good way in and out, I wouldn't fault you for firing on someone who came through that door in a violent manner without any indication of who they are or what they're doing.
Wait, this is a shooting in a parking lot, not someone's dwelling. Are you sure you gave me the right link because this doesn't have anything to do with judges siding against homeowners who use lethal force, which is what I requested you prove to me.[/QUOTE]Yeah I had to pull a gun recently because some thug was pounding on my door for a very long time, looked very angry through the peephole. I pulled out my 45 and sat near the door until he left.
That article was an example of what happens on a regular basis, and is the only specific account that I can recall. There are a handful of homicides in the Baltimore area every day or two, so it's hard to keep track. Especially when they are not reported on.
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[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32400616]It happens all the time, yet the last homicide was 5 years ago?
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He was trying to make a statement about MD judges being unaccountable, by providing one source that doesn't even have to do with the type of issue we're talking about.[/QUOTE]The last murder in Bel Air was in August, that one was in July.
I live a couple miles NW of Baltimore. We don't get a lot of murders here, but tons of breaking and entering's at gunpoint. Bel Air is 45 minutes north of Baltimore.
[QUOTE=faze;32400635]The last murder in Bel Air was in August, that one was in July.
I live a couple miles NW of Baltimore. We don't get a lot of murders here, but tons of breaking and entering's at gunpoint. Bel Air is 45 minutes north of Baltimore.[/QUOTE]
The last murder was in August? Your source seems to disagree:
"Violent crimes are rare in Bel Air, the chief said. The last homicide occurred in May 2006, when Michael R. Simmons stabbed Patrick J. Walker of Bel Air twice in the neck after Walker cut him off in traffic."
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32400687]The last murder was in August? Your source seems to disagree:
"Violent crimes are rare in Bel Air, the chief said. The last homicide occurred in May 2006, when Michael R. Simmons stabbed Patrick J. Walker of Bel Air twice in the neck after Walker cut him off in traffic."[/QUOTE]There was one after the article I posted. Stabbing in somebody's house or something.
[QUOTE=faze;32400635]
That article was an example of what happens on a regular basis, and is the only specific account that I can recall. There are a handful of homicides in the Baltimore area every day or two, so it's hard to keep track. Especially when they are not reported on.[/QUOTE]
I already know that murders happen. I'm not seeing what this has to do with your claim that judges frequently side against homeowners when lethal force is used.
This is now the sixth time I've requested this proof.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32400722]I already know that murders happen. I'm not seeing what this has to do with your claim that judges frequently side against homeowners when lethal force is used.
This is now the sixth time I've requested this proof.[/QUOTE]Sorry, I was on the tangent regarding judge accountability. One second. I'll see what I can dig up.
[QUOTE=faze;32400707]There was one after the article I posted. Stabbing in somebody's house or something.[/QUOTE]
Regardless, there was a period of 4/5 years were none occurred prior to that. To say that they are now frequent just because 2 happened recently is preposterous.
You should also provide evidence for your claim that Zeke is addressing.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32400746]Regardless, there was a period of 4/5 years were none occurred prior to that. To say that they are now frequent just because 2 happened recently is preposterous.
You should also provide evidence for your claim that Zeke is addressing.[/QUOTE]Bel Air is nothing like the Baltimore area, but it is the same Maryland judicial system.
Also, I am working on it. Home invasions aren't covered here by the news very much. If they are, not in much detail aside from what happened during the invasion. You don't hear much afterwards.
[QUOTE=faze;32400772]Also, I am working on it. Home invasions aren't covered here by the news very much. If they are, not in much detail aside from what happened during the invasion. You don't hear much afterwards.[/QUOTE]
Well then you should probably try to get something to support your claims before making them. If so, then we can proceed.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32400818]Well then you should probably try to get something to support your claims before making them. If so, then we can proceed.[/QUOTE]Again, I am working on it.
The second amendment here in the U.S. guarantees the right to bear arms, so citizens have to be able to own some kind of weapon. But personally I believe that certain weapons should be restricted (like you need a special license to own certain more dangerous guns like handguns), and some banned from entering civilian hands. I mean seriously, will a citizen ever need a .50 anti-material rifle to defend themselves?
[QUOTE=Kiwi Bird;32401026]I mean seriously, will a citizen ever need a .50 anti-material rifle to defend themselves?[/QUOTE]
No, but they are used for long range target shooting/hobby shooting.
Why ban a .50 cal? What criminal is seriously going to go out and buy a $2000 dollar rifle and a bunch of $5 EACH bullets to commit a crime with?
Edit:
Hell, the only criminal incident I can think of that even INVOLVED a .50 cal weapon was when Marvin Heemeyer put one on his Killdozer (and it wasn't even fired)
[QUOTE=Kiwi Bird;32401026]The second amendment here in the U.S. guarantees the right to bear arms, so citizens have to be able to own some kind of weapon. But personally I believe that certain weapons should be restricted (like you need a special license to own certain more dangerous guns like handguns), and some banned from entering civilian hands. I mean seriously, will a citizen ever need a .50 anti-material rifle to defend themselves?[/QUOTE]The 2nd amendment is not a living word, nor is any of the constitution. It says citizens can bear arms. This means carry, own, whatever. Restriction is not in there at all.
[QUOTE=faze;32401235]The 2nd amendment is not a living word, nor is any of the constitution. It says citizens can bear arms. This means carry, own, whatever. Restriction is not in there at all.[/QUOTE]
the constitution is not another word for 'correct'
this is something that utterly confuses me, you hold arguments and debates about whether or not something is "constitutional", when you should be debating about whether or not the law makes sense.
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;32401278]the constitution is not another word for 'correct'
this is something that utterly confuses me, you hold arguments and debates about whether or not something is "constitutional", when you should be debating about whether or not the law makes sense.[/QUOTE]The country was founded on the constitution, it isn't meant to be a living document. Do you agree with Sarah Palin? She thinks it is a living document.
[QUOTE=faze;32401304]The country was founded on the constitution, it isn't meant to be a living document. Do you agree with Sarah Palin? She thinks it is a living document.[/QUOTE]
So? What does it matter if the country was founded on it? Times change, and if you're putting down good laws (not saying this is a good law or whatever) because they don't fit in with the constitution, there is something wrong with the constitution.
[QUOTE=Ond kaja;32397179]ALL knives are cutting hazards, sharpened or not! However, it's hard to kill someone by slashing him to death, whereas knives with points are extremely effective since all your force is concentrated to the point when stabbing. It's impossible to make points on pointless knives with a knife sharpener, you need other tools to do that. The main reason for having pointless knives is to reduce the risk of suicide, not to prevent crimes.[/QUOTE]
No actually, the reason Cameron wanted to ban pointed knives was the prohibition of firearms in Britain shoved knife crime up over 300%. And sharpening to a blade is not as hard as sharpening to a point, you could sharpen the end of a curved knife, making a continuing blade that will still cut into someone.
As for being hard to kill someone by slashing them, as long as you know where to slash, they'll bleed out. Hence your suicide argument being invalidated, as more commonly knife deaths from suicide are slashing wounds to vital veins and arteries, causing the person to bleed to death, rather than a stabbing wound.
Then there's survivalism. I find it disgusting that Boy Scouts in Britain, Lord Baden Powell's home country, are not allowed to practice knife skills for survival situations, something the Boy Scouts are based upon. I'm sure he is rolling in his grave right now. You can't say that you'd be able to survive a wilderness situation with only a curved knife, the design and use of blades in survival situations, especially for giving someone a fighting chance against certain wildlife, requires the pointed end.
Either way, how the hell could you possibly be arguing IN FAVOUR of banning a necessary tool? Pointed knives have a multitude of necessary uses, a prohibition of them would be downright stupid. Not to mention how much history it ruins, banning blades with a point essentially bans a large section of Britain's tourism, the renaissance and medieval reenactments. You ban pointed blades, you ban the swords the reenactment people and tourist actors use, which could hit tourist revenues pretty hard.
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