The Middle East Revolution [2010-2011] Thread: I love baton - General

[QUOTE=Starpluck;27707863]Biden: Mubarak Is Not a Dictator, But People Have a Right to Protest. [URL="http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/jan-june11/biden_01-27.htmlNot"]http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/jan-june11/biden_01-27.html[/URL] [U][U][/U][/U]Nota dictator? Come on. [editline]28th January 2011[/editline] If oppressing a nation’s people and applying martial law for 29 years where you can arbitrarily arrest and abduct people is not dictatorship, I don’t know what is.[/QUOTE] This is why I hate all politicians. All of them.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;27707863]Biden: Mubarak Is Not a Dictator, But People Have a Right to Protest. [URL="http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/jan-june11/biden_01-27.htmlNot"]http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/jan-june11/biden_01-27.html[/URL] Not a dictator? Come on. [editline]28th January 2011[/editline] If oppressing a nation’s people and applying martial law for 29 years where you can arbitrarily arrest and abduct people is not dictatorship, I don’t know what is.[/QUOTE] Stalin was a dictator. Kim Jong Il is a Dictator. Ayatollah Khamenei is practically a Dictator. Mubarak is a corrupt politician. By Middle East standards he's not that bad and even if he does suck, he's just another shitty government in a third world country.

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;27707888]This is why I hate all politicians. All of them.[/QUOTE] Scientifically run state for the win... If there was one.

its war now in egypt after Friday prayers , and alexandria is out of control , a real warzone reports of police using grenades

[QUOTE=Devodiere;27707966]Stalin was a dictator. Kim Jong Il is a Dictator. Ayatollah Khamenei is practically a Dictator. Mubarak is a corrupt politician. By Middle East standards he's not that bad and even if he does suck, he's just another shitty government in a third world country.[/QUOTE] he's not a dictator yet he's been in power for 29 years and is being succeeded by his son when he dies? his regime arrests dissidents without cause, jails them indefinitely and executes many without trials. get your head out of your ass.

I'm going to ask my dad about what he thinks about this. He is a Chief Master Sergant in the USAF. I have a feeling he'll support the revolution. Why Obama! Our nation was formed from a revolution! Does he think that it was wrong to revolt against England or something? but "eh, whatever, I'm still president" The Egyptians are fighting over a bigger cause than we did. Taxes, quartering of soldiers, ect. the Egyptians are dying and suffering!

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;27708132]he's not a dictator yet he's been in power for 29 years and is being succeeded by his son when he dies? his regime arrests dissidents without cause, jails them indefinitely and executes many without trials. get your head out of your ass.[/QUOTE] Staying in for a long time is just rigged elections to maintain power. Grooming his son is also not uncommon, look at George W Bush. I see many reports of dissidents being arrested but not of actually jailing them or executing them. Intimidation tactics yes but hardly dictatorial.

[QUOTE=torero;27698436][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XnhHzs91MY[/media] That was...senseless.[/QUOTE] I cried :'(

[QUOTE=Devodiere;27707966]Stalin was a dictator. Kim Jong Il is a Dictator. Ayatollah Khamenei is practically a Dictator. Mubarak is a corrupt politician. By Middle East standards he's not that bad and even if he does suck, he's just another shitty government in a third world country.[/QUOTE] Nope, they just cut off all communications with the outside world amid the protests so that the protesters dont communicate with each other and news channels cant talk to reporters there, isint that dictatorship? Also he uses secret police to take down political opponents, they capture them and do all kinds of appalling acts of torture including electrocution, burning, rape and letting lots of dogs bite them while in their cages, so he is a dictator and his police force are using live ammunition to stop the protesters

[QUOTE=Devodiere;27708235]Staying in for a long time is just rigged elections to maintain power. Grooming his son is also not uncommon, look at George W Bush. I see many reports of dissidents being arrested but not of actually jailing them or executing them. Intimidation tactics yes but hardly dictatorial.[/QUOTE] one of the main reason these protests began was because of police beating people who attempted to expose corruption to death. and hardly dictatorial? what the hell IS your definition of a dictator then?

[QUOTE=Devodiere;27708235]Staying in for a long time is just rigged elections to maintain power. Grooming his son is also not uncommon, look at George W Bush. I see many reports of dissidents being arrested but not of actually jailing them or executing them. Intimidation tactics yes but hardly dictatorial.[/QUOTE] This is what they did to a man who videotaped two police officers in a drug deal, his name is Khalid Mohammed Saed and instead of arresting the police offers this is what the police did to him [img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_n6FlYwBaBHM/TBFb_FyitRI/AAAAAAAAABU/cnpD3N1h_Tc/s320/boy.jpg[/img] They beat him until he ended up like the picture on the left, also he is dead.

[QUOTE=Random94;27708287]Nope, they just cut off all communications with the outside world amid the protests so that the protesters dont communicate with each other and news channels cant talk to reporters there, isint that dictatorship? Also he uses secret police to take down political opponents, they capture them and do all kinds of appalling acts of torture including electrocution, burning, rape and letting lots of dogs bite them while in their cages, so he is a dictator and his police force are using live ammunition to stop the protesters[/QUOTE] Well not really. Seems like it would be a normal thing to cut off communications to people who are rioting in an attempt to stop them. Preventing other types of communication is a mediocre authoritarian act to save face, not dictatorship. They aren't really "secret" police, just normal police who torture dissidents. Wrong that they do that, but the torture is a normal thing for them and not really ordered by him, just permitted. Live ammunition to stop the protesters is an extension of this police brutality.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;27707252]My South Korean friend in Cairo is not on Facebook or Steam, and he's always on whether he's there or not. He does seem the type that would participate, but he wouldn't.[/QUOTE] He would likley get shot if he did. [editline]28th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Devodiere;27708342]Well not really. Seems like it would be a normal thing to cut off communications to people who are rioting in an attempt to stop them. Preventing other types of communication is a mediocre authoritarian act to save face, not dictatorship. They aren't really "secret" police, just normal police who torture dissidents. Wrong that they do that, but the torture is a normal thing for them and not really ordered by him, just permitted. Live ammunition to stop the protesters is an extension of this police brutality.[/QUOTE] To be honest Devodiere, arguing with you is hopeless so ill just stop doing that.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;27708312]one of the main reason these protests began was because of police beating people who attempted to expose corruption to death. and hardly dictatorial? what the hell IS your definition of a dictator then?[/QUOTE] Ok, say we are running from one of the definitions given on the [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictatorship]Wikipedia page.[/url] The governance of the country, while rigged, is someone permissive. The fact that someone can rise to power, even if they cannot be the President, is a sign of something. As for the other part, Totalitarian, he isn't. He is brutal in the laws he enforces, but he is still relatively lenient on personal freedoms. Straying outside the boundaries of the law is brutal, but the boundaries are relatively wide. [editline]28th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Random94;27708370]To be honest Devodiere, arguing with you is hopeless so ill just stop doing that.[/QUOTE] You argue with shock images, like I care if you stop.

[QUOTE=Devodiere;27708382]You argue with shock images, like I care if you stop.[/QUOTE] As they say a picture is worth a thousand words [editline]28th January 2011[/editline] Guys, just recently some of the Egyptian riot police are breaking away from the government and are joining the protesters, Mubarak is gona get his ass handed to him for sure

Apparently Dial up still works in Egypt. I hope the message can get out from those 56k modems...

[QUOTE=Random94;27708412]As they say a picture is worth a thousand words[/QUOTE] Not all of those words are relevant though and the ones that are can be summed up as "These guys are horribly aggressive". Sure it acts as proof but I can still argue against it, as I have done.

[QUOTE=Devodiere;27708443]Not all of those words are relevant though and the ones that are can be summed up as "These guys are horribly aggressive". Sure it acts as proof but I can still argue against it, as I have done.[/QUOTE] If they beat him to death for doing nothing other than showing that the police are corrupt, then they are aggressive and are a dictatorship. [editline]28th January 2011[/editline] There are now more protesters than there are police.

[QUOTE=Random94;27708465]If they beat him to death for doing nothing other than showing that the police are corrupt, then they are aggressive and are a dictatorship.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Devodiere;27708382]Ok, say we are running from one of the definitions given on the [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictatorship]Wikipedia page.[/url] The governance of the country, while rigged, is someone permissive. The fact that someone can rise to power, even if they cannot be the President, is a sign of something. As for the other part, Totalitarian, he isn't. He is brutal in the laws he enforces, but he is still relatively lenient on personal freedoms. Straying outside the boundaries of the law is brutal, but the boundaries are relatively wide.[/QUOTE]

I love how this thread has turned from Riots in Egypt to two people arguing over what is and isn't a dictator.

many updates : * some soldiers are refusing to follow orders and many of them took off their uniforms to join the crowd * now they are planning a TV blackout in Egypt as they have blocked Aljazeera news * number of demonstrators in Alexandria alone is estimated between 100,000 and 150,000

The protesters are now using Molotov's against the police.

[QUOTE=Pharaoh;27708490] * some soldiers are refusing to follow orders and many of them took off their uniforms to join the crowd [/QUOTE] You know a government is bad when their own troops leave them and rise against them. I wish there was some way of helping these people out. but I suppose all I can do is try and spread the word of what is happening.

[QUOTE=Pharaoh;27708490] * some soldiers are refusing to follow orders and many of them took off their uniforms to join the crowd[/quote]Good. [quote] * now they are planning a TV blackout in Egypt as they have blocked Aljazeera news [/quote] Egypt is now competing with North Korea on who can be the most tyrannical dictator. So far they already isolated themselves, all they need to do is close the borders.

These protests turned into a full revolt, young and old people want the resignation of the government

[QUOTE=Devodiere;27708382]Ok, say we are running from one of the definitions given on the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictatorship"]Wikipedia page.[/URL] The governance of the country, while rigged, is someone permissive. The fact that someone can rise to power, even if they cannot be the President, is a sign of something. As for the other part, Totalitarian, he isn't. He is brutal in the laws he enforces, but he is still relatively lenient on personal freedoms. Straying outside the boundaries of the law is brutal, but the boundaries are relatively wide. [/QUOTE][QUOTE=Devodiere;27708342]Well not really. Seems like it would be a normal thing to cut off communications to people who are rioting in an attempt to stop them. Preventing other types of communication is a mediocre authoritarian act to save face, not dictatorship. They aren't really "secret" police, just normal police who torture dissidents. Wrong that they do that, but the torture is a normal thing for them and not really ordered by him, just permitted. Live ammunition to stop the protesters is an extension of this police brutality.[/QUOTE] Stop fucking trying to argue useless semantics, he exhibits all signs of dictatorship and he is one. Just because there is no set exact criteria of one does not mean he isn't.

Protests started in Qatar, this turned into a second Arab revolt from the look of things.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;27708537]Stop fucking trying to argue useless semantics, he exhibits all signs of dictatorship and he is one. Just because there is no set exact criteria of one does not mean he isn't.[/QUOTE] Well you really wanna compare blacking out the internet and TV when most of the country is in complete revolt to broadcasting 24/7 a propaganda station?

[url]http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1054131-Egypt-Internet-Shut-Down-Amidst-Protests[/url] So I guess we're not getting anymore updates from voodooattack. God speed man, God speed.

[QUOTE=Devodiere;27708557]Well you really wanna compare blacking out the internet and TV when most of the country is in complete revolt to broadcasting 24/7 a propaganda station?[/QUOTE] I said he's 'competing', though it wouldn't be a surprise if they did some similar program. Not 24/7, but a temporary outlet that bullshits to it's people in order to gain government support again.