The Middle East Revolution [2010-2011] Thread: I love baton - General

Wow massively late. Well, we still wish you the best of luck.

I wonder what sort of government will rise from the ashes of these protests? Hopefully one that is interested in more then is self-interests and making money. Also, is there any report of tourists? It must be hell scary to go holidaying somewhere and end up be stuck in a revolution. If I was caught in the situation, I would join in. Yes I could get mortally hurt or wounded, but if anything happened to me, the country I was from would look badly towards the government in power.

Wow, this sounds really bad, I can't possibly imagine what it's like. Take care voodoo!

[QUOTE=Starpluck;27708587]I said he's 'competing', though it wouldn't be a surprise if they did some similar program.[/QUOTE] The actions done in the last few days count for nothing. They are acts of desperation, not deliberate motions towards a totalitarian government. Before the riots the economy was free, people had a good amount of personal freedom, aside from dissent speech was free, people could actually leave the country which most dictatorships forbid. He was a shit leader, but toppling him is not like revolting against Hitler.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;27708537]Stop fucking trying to argue useless semantics, he exhibits all signs of dictatorship and he is one. Just because there is no set exact criteria of one does not mean he isn't.[/QUOTE] He does have the criteria of one, it's just that he dosent do it in public, this gives the illusion that Egypt is a normal country and also shows that the American government is hypocritical that it says it wants the world to be democratic yet it knowingly has allies that arent and keep quiet about it.

I can imagine voodooattack throwing explosive canisters of gas like he said earlier if the shit hits the fan

[QUOTE=Random94;27708626]He does have the criteria of one, it's just that he dosent do it in public, this gives the illusion that Egypt is a normal country and also shows that the American government is hypocritical that it says it wants the world to be democratic yet it knowingly has allies that arent and keep quiet about it.[/QUOTE] You know nothing of diplomacy.

[QUOTE=Pharaoh;27708490]many updates : * some soldiers are refusing to follow orders and many of them took off their uniforms to join the crowd * now they are planning a TV blackout in Egypt as they have blocked Aljazeera news * number of demonstrators in Alexandria alone is estimated between 100,000 and 150,000[/QUOTE] where do you get these?

[QUOTE=Whomobile;27708594]Also, is there any report of tourists? It must be hell scary to go holidaying somewhere and end up be stuck in a revolution. If I was caught in the situation, I would join in. Yes I could get mortally hurt or wounded, but if anything happened to me, the country I was from would look badly towards the government in power.[/QUOTE] Yes some of them are fighting the police in a tourist area, near the hotels. [editline]28th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Devodiere;27708638]You know nothing of diplomacy.[/QUOTE] Look whos talking.

[QUOTE=Random94;27708640] [editline]28th January 2011[/editline] Look whos talking.[/QUOTE] Please, shut up you both. PM's exist for a reason.

[QUOTE=Random94;27708640]Look whos talking.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Devodiere;27707248]First, they didn't pledge support to Mubarak during the protests. They were supportive of him previously because what the fuck are they gonna do? Shun the largest Arab country because they aren't democratic enough? They can either deal with a shitty leader or turn him down and distance themselves from the Arab world even further. They have invested a lot in Egypt and have made them one of their better allies in the region. They have even given them a bunch of USAID money to maintain stability both economically and socially.[/QUOTE] Diplomacy isn't "You're good enough to be friends with", they have to deal with shitty leaders for the greater good all the time. [QUOTE=NOD Engineer;27708659]Please, shut up you both. PM's exist for a reason.[/QUOTE] Fine, no more in this thread. You feel like continuing this Random, PM me.

Let's stop the discussion and think for a moment about our member that's active at these protests right now. I personally wish him the best of luck, but soldiers are being arrested for not wanting to shoot live ammunition. Shit really has hit the fan, but I hope that this will bring a more free and peaceful government in the future. And again, let's hope voodooattack is in good condition.

[QUOTE=NOD Engineer;27708659]Please, shut up you both. PM's exist for a reason.[/QUOTE] Sorry about that, i have to admit i was being sort of a dick.

[QUOTE=Devodiere;27708617]The actions done in the last few days count for nothing. They are acts of desperation, not deliberate motions towards a totalitarian government. Before the riots the economy was free, people had a good amount of personal freedom, aside from dissent speech was free, people could actually leave the country which most dictatorships forbid. He was a shit leader, but toppling him is not like revolting against Hitler.[/QUOTE] Executing totalitarian actions such as cutting off all forms of communication to the outside world, specifically so their atrocities do not get reported is never justified no matter what state the nation is in. Especially since people are currently rioting, Egypt does not want the world to know their human rights abuses and they exhibit this by suppressing free speech. The dictatorial actions were not even debuted during the riots, they've been around since 1967. Constitutional rights are suspended and censorship is legalized. Presidential opposition is commonly arrested for dissent and there are elections, no right to vote and arbitrary arrests have always been common. These are not new and have always been going on.

Also they're arresting journalists.

[QUOTE=Miktor.;27708787]Also they're arresting journalists.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/interactive/2011/jan/26/egypt-protests-shenker-arrest-interactive[/url] They make Iran look like a fucking free-nation. I wonder when the U.S. will condemn Egypt like they did with Iran.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;27708798][url]http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/interactive/2011/jan/26/egypt-protests-shenker-arrest-interactive[/url] They make Iran look like a fucking free-nation. I wonder when the U.S. will condemn Egypt like they did with Iran.[/QUOTE] Read the thread bud They won't do shit

I'm updating some live information, hoping that people in here doesn't mind, just tell me to shut up if necessary. In Suez, the police station has been raided by protesters, and people who were arrested have been freed. A woman has been killed at the Tahrir square. (in central kairo) Police has attacked CNN crew, breaking their cameras

The more the government fights, the more the people rise against it. I'm really hoping Egypt can win against the dictatorship, and hopefully it sparks an Arab revolt against tyranny. It's about time all of those people got freedom

* 4 french journalists arrested , bbc reporter injured * now demonstrators chants are asking for the army's protection * Aljazeera reporter ahmed mansour : " what i have seen is a massacre to Egyptian civilians" * one more civilian killed in Abdulmoneim Reyad Square ,Cario * reports that Mohamed Elbaradei ( Noble prize for peace winner 2005) was arrested by the police

All the web ads from Egypt are down. each time I look at a news article about Egypt, all of the normal "U R the 99999999th visitar u won" ads don't come up. Oh well, every cloud as a silver lining.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;27708798][url]http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/interactive/2011/jan/26/egypt-protests-shenker-arrest-interactive[/url] They make Iran look like a fucking free-nation. I wonder when the U.S. will condemn Egypt like they did with Iran.[/QUOTE] They wont, US trusts Mubarak more than any other Arab leader because he he agrees with most American policies, hes pro Israeli and agrees with any US diplomatic policy, in other words he is a US puppet.

[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12303564[/url] Police brutality suddenly seems like a joke, comparing to this.

And this thread is now a circle-jerk for bitching about everyone you don't like. Awesome. [editline]29th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Miktor.;27708909][url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12303564[/url] Police brutality suddenly seems like a joke, comparing to this.[/QUOTE] Do you not understand what a fucking riot is?

[QUOTE=Devodiere;27708926]And this thread is now a circle-jerk for bitching about everyone you don't like. Awesome. [editline]29th January 2011[/editline] Do you not understand what a fucking riot is?[/QUOTE] Yes, do you understand why they happen? Also, talking about bitching about everyone you don't like

[QUOTE=Pharaoh;27708861]* 4 french journalists arrested , bbc reporter injured * now demonstrators chants are asking for the army's protection * Aljazeera reporter ahmed mansour : " what i have seen is a massacre to Egyptian civilians" * one more civilian killed in Abdulmoneim Reyad Square ,Cario * reports that Mohamed Elbaradei ( Noble prize for peace winner 2005) was arrested by the police[/QUOTE] If you guys actually catch Mubarak, could you beat him up, we would greatly appreciate it.

[QUOTE=Miktor.;27708943]Yes, do you understand why they happen?[/QUOTE] A lot of sources would put the reason for the initial protests because of getting sick of a long presidency, economic factors eliminating the middle class and an initial spark from the Tunisian riots. They escalated to this after clashes with police turned violent and support grew making the protests unstable and violent.

Protesters are fighting police trying to seize a News broadcasting station so then they start bradcasting their views to to the rest of Egypt.

[QUOTE=Random94;27708947]If you guys actually catch Mubarak, could you beat him up, we would greatly appreciate it.[/QUOTE] beat him up only ? you're so merciful :)

[QUOTE=Random94;27708990]Protesters are fighting police trying to seize a News broadcasting station so then they start bradcasting their views to to the rest of Egypt.[/QUOTE] [img]http://dualshockers.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Red-Faction.jpg[/img]