The Middle East Revolution [2010-2011] Thread: I love baton - General

The guy talking on the stream said he doesn't know if the army would protect the people or the president. We all knows what that probably means... They might support the people... but you never know. It all depends on the thoughts and decision of the higher ups. But at least officers have rational brains most of the time.

[QUOTE=Random94;27712788]Wow, i turned into an amateur Journalist from the looks of things[/QUOTE] In a way I wish I could be there taking pictures. (I'm a hobbyist photographer).

[QUOTE=Mr. Sun;27712751]Thanks, I am seeing a few videos of whats going on around the streets and just saw the videos of the people cheering on the APC's. This looks good. Is it possible that the military was sent in to defend the protesters against the police? I'm still a bit confused on that because they are welcoming the army.[/QUOTE] The military is disobeying orders and fighting for the people.

[QUOTE=Mr. Sun;27712751]Thanks, I am seeing a few videos of whats going on around the streets and just saw the videos of the people cheering on the APC's. This looks good. Is it possible that the military was sent in to defend the protesters against the police? I'm still a bit confused on that because they are welcoming the army.[/QUOTE] No they are trying to stop looting because there isint really anyone keeping order anymore.

[QUOTE=LarparNar;27712806]In a way I wish I could be there taking pictures. (I'm a hobbyist photographer).[/QUOTE] It's a shame really You never know - you might have taken that one photograph that becomes the iconic symbol of the protests.

[QUOTE=Mr. Sun;27712751]Thanks, I am seeing a few videos of whats going on around the streets and just saw the videos of the people cheering on the APC's. This looks good. Is it possible that the military was sent in to defend the protesters against the police? I'm still a bit confused on that because they are welcoming the army.[/QUOTE] the army in egypt have always had a good image especially after Egypt's last war on 6 October 1973 so generally all egyptians are proud of their army and never expect it to shoot at their own people

Christ that's bad, the US implying that they're siding with Egyptian government most likely because of oil through the Suez Canal

[QUOTE=Random94;27712816]No they are trying to stop looting because there isint really anyone keeping order anymore.[/QUOTE] yeah this is what I meant by "protecting the people" along with the police brutality and the loss of order. I didn't make it obvious in my post. Listening to Obama's thoughts on Mubarak from Thursday he said he has always told him he needed to make sure his country was working towards a political reform and listen to his people but at the same time Mubarak has been of great help in the middle east for them. I can see how it might be a very tough decision for him but based on just that video he has more reasons to support the protesters. but thats just my thoughs. I haven't read much on whats going on in the US about Egypt.

The ruling parties HQ is fully destroyed now, everything, including the cars and apparently looting the HQ, also they are defending critical areas such as the national museum which i believe is on fire. But they arent helping the protesters that isint correct, they are also using american equipment to attack the protesters so there is US support apparently, also buildings in Cairo are being vandalized.

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;27712840]It's a shame really You never know - you might have taken that one photograph that becomes the iconic symbol of the protests.[/QUOTE] its risky though because there are reports of reporters and journalist being tortured, beaten up and arrested along with their cameras destroyed. Apparently there are protests in Yemen, Jordan and a few other countries. wow... this is a massive movement. But there have always been protests and I don't know how big the other ones are.

Photos of the military vehicles rolling in, though you probably saw them on the stream: [img]http://blogs.aljazeera.net/sites/default/files/imagecache/FeaturedImagePost/images/450a.jpg[/img] [img]http://blogs.aljazeera.net/sites/default/files/imagecache/FeaturedImagePost/images/450b_0.jpg[/img] [img]http://blogs.aljazeera.net/sites/default/files/imagecache/FeaturedImagePost/images/450c.jpg[/img]

Also 870 people are wounded now in Cairo.

[QUOTE=ThePutty;27712864]Christ that's bad, the US implying that they're siding with Egyptian government most likely because of oil through the Suez Canal[/QUOTE] And the current regime is more favorable.

[QUOTE=phaedon;27712541]I think that they are waiting for the outcome before taking a side. Can't really blame them. What if they support the revolution and the government wins?[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure if the US would take side of the protesters, they would win and still be pro US. Problem is: This would send a mesage to all other autocratic states in the middle east and pretty much make the US insta-hated for supporting revolters. And I don't think Obama wants to deal with that.

[QUOTE=Killuah;27712896]I'm pretty sure if the US would take side of the protesters, they would win and still be pro US. Problem is: This would send a mesage to all other autocratic states in the middle east and pretty much make the US insta-hated for supporting revolters. And I don't think Obama wants to deal with that.[/QUOTE] Ah, good point. I never thought of it like that... in that case maybe America might just pull all support from either side. That would seem like the smart thing to do.

Apparently the police DID shoot at the military.

An international hotel (Concord) and major mall have just been looted and burned.

[QUOTE=Pharaoh;27712856]the army in egypt have always had a good image especially after Egypt's last war on 6 October 1973[/QUOTE] Why? They essentially lost that war?

aw, not the national museum :(

[QUOTE=Miktor.;27712963]Apparently the police DID shoot at the military.[/QUOTE] That makes me think at why they would do that unless they WERE supporting the protest. Or maybe it was a mistake... hard to tell currently with not a lot of coverage going on over that situation since it sounds very dangerous.

The National Democratic Party. Except now it's not National. It was never Democratic. And now it isn't even a Party. [editline]28th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=DogGunn;27712994]Why? They essentially lost that war?[/QUOTE] it's more that it was a gigantic fuck-you to britain

[QUOTE=Killuah;27712996]aw, not the national museum :([/QUOTE] I know its not really that important compared to everything else, but it is always a shame when museum's get looted in things like this. Especially in a country with such an important history.

Some photos in case you are interested. [img_thumb]http://blogs.aljazeera.net/sites/default/files/imagecache/FeaturedImagePost/images/450c.jpg[/img_thumb] [img_thumb]http://totallycoolpix.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/28012011_egypte_riots/egypte_14.jpg[/img_thumb] [img_thumb]http://totallycoolpix.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/28012011_egypte_riots/egypte_16.jpg[/img_thumb] [img_thumb]http://totallycoolpix.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/28012011_egypte_riots/egypte_25.jpg[/img_thumb] [img_thumb]http://totallycoolpix.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/28012011_egypte_riots/egypte_29.jpg[/img_thumb] [img_thumb]http://totallycoolpix.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/28012011_egypte_riots/egypte_47.jpg[/img_thumb] You know, since the president never made that announcement he was supposed to make (as far as I know), is it possible that he has fled the country?

those are some really good pictures especially the last 2. the last two could be used for some really cool propaganda or generally good for photo editing

[QUOTE=Miktor.;27712963]Apparently the police DID shoot at the military.[/QUOTE] A sentence that shouldn't ever be uttered.

I hope for minimal damakge to the historical monuments and artifacts of Egypt. Also when government buildings are destroyed I'm certain that many agencies having nothing to do with this get damaged too. I could imagine somone like Mubarak and his peeps collecting Egypt treasure just because they can and now some of those pieces might be lost forever.

I can see a military convoy passing through the streets, also they are vandalising the entrance of the Communications ministry.

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;27712779]The army are rarely used - apparently the people don't have the same negative sentiment towards them as they do to the police. The protesters are therefore assuming that the army is on their side from optimism, though we cannot know for sure what is actually going on. It looks hopeful though: the army haven't fired on protesters yet.[/QUOTE] The military could be taking advantage of the situation to perform a coup.

Al Jazeera are reporting that the "presidential guard" is being sent to protect the state TV station.

[QUOTE=Random94;27713095]I can see a military convoy passing through the streets, also they are vandalising the entrance of the Communications ministry.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry Random but I never realized if you were in Egypt? I thought you were but wasn't sure you were so close to the situation. The news anchor said: "The city is burning" and by the looks of it, it is.