The Middle East Revolution [2010-2011] Thread: I love baton - General

Rebelling is one of the bravest things anyone can do, because if you fail you lose everything. I could never participate in something like this, and I think that's why I respect everyone over there fighting for their freedom right now.

[QUOTE=sltungle;27752362]That's a pretty narrow minded view for anyone to have. It may not effect any of us directly, but those people you see on TV rebelling against their corrupt government are REAL people. They were born, had childhoods, made friends, went to school, had relationships, got jobs, think and feel just as I and you do, and they ARE being effected by this. And as a fellow human being the well-being of all Egyptians, of all PEOPLE as a whole has some form of meaning to me. On a more personal note. My physics and maths teacher of the last two and a half years is Egyptian. His family still lives there. I hope they're all alright.[/QUOTE] Yeah but what does it change if some teenagers watch what's happening from their computer desk across the world? See what I mean? I'm not saying they shouldn't care, I'm just saying it doesn't change anything whether they do or not. [editline]30th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr. Sun;27752286]Or you could just ignore them! You are being way to serious about this facebook shit. Facebook isn't JUST for connecting with friends. And if somebody doesn't like it, they can say that and they have the right to say that. This isn't Egypt where they are penalized for speaking their mind :/ Or the mature thing to do would be just ignore it. [editline]30th January 2011[/editline] I think they were threatened by the authorities.[/QUOTE] Yes I realize you could just ignore it, but some people can't, hence the negative responses. I'm just saying if you are annoyed by the negative responses, some people are annoyed by the constant updates on their news feed. You could ignore their responses just as easily as they could ignore your status. I'm not trying to stir up shit, I just want you to see it from a different perspective.

This is an amazing revolution. I hope they succeed.

Could we keep the thread to news and discussions about the protests, not arguments over facebook? [QUOTE=shian;27753045]Can someone please reply? Stop ignoring me for god sake. :saddowns:[/QUOTE] No, it doesn't seem so. They're not enforcing the curfew too much, or disbanding any protests. There's also images of protesters and soldiers protesting together. So, no, Mubarak does not have full control of the military.

[QUOTE=shian;27751926]Let me get this straight. Murbak (or whatever the fuck he's called) doesn't control the military right? At least fully.[/QUOTE] Can someone please reply? Stop ignoring me for god sake. :saddowns:

[QUOTE=shian;27753045]Can someone please reply? Stop ignoring me for god sake. :saddowns:[/QUOTE] sorry I didnt see it earlier :) according to the law , Muabrak as a president is supposed to be the commander of Egyptian armed forces. but right now the situation doesn't show that the army is following Mubarak anymore, from my experience and understanding of Egyptians. the leaders of army branches & Mubarak now are negotiating to find a proper way for Mubarak to leave. something that won't be very humiliating as they still owe him some respect for being their leader in the last 30 years. well i hope he escape. we will bring him back with interpol like Tunisia did to their president Ben Ali

[QUOTE=shian;27753045]Can someone please reply? Stop ignoring me for god sake. :saddowns:[/QUOTE] I don't think anyone is truly sure right now. The military seems to be doing bugger all to prevent the protests, against the will of the president. I mean they basically just stood there as protesters burned police stations to the ground and sipped tea with the protesters in front of the flames. They also protected the protesters when they were attacked and fired upon by the police (separate incident to the burning of the police station). However now we've got jets swooping all over Cairo and the military is trying to show its might and prowess to the people of Egypt. They also appear to be using these tactics (flying fighters overhead and gearing up on the ground) to enforce the curfew which previously they'd made next to no effort to bring into effect (despite the president's demanding of said curfew being enforced). However if the commander on the street that I saw in a video feed yesterday is to be believed they're actually only trying to enforce the curfew to draw a line between who's protesting, and who's looting and being a general dick. I don't think the military wants to enforce the curfew to stop the protests, they simply want to keep any bloodshed to an absolute minimum (which is why they fired on police officers who opened fire on protesters). They're trying to weed out those who are causing trouble to the citizens to stop them.

Yeah, I like how the police were being arseholes but the military are like 'meh, might join you sooner or later'.

There's no imaginable way it can fail now. The army would have done something early if they were going to, they're obviously choosing the greater good for the people. So honestly, they've won.

Kicking A$$.

[QUOTE=Charybdis;27753302]Yeah, I like how the police were being arseholes but the military are like 'meh, might join you sooner or later'.[/QUOTE] More like the police were being total cunts and the military were like, "OI, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE PROTECTING THESE PEOPLE, NOT HARMING THEM!" and then proceeded to blow the police away while protecting protesters by letting them hide behind APCs and shit.

Why are the police not doing the same thing the army is? Are they all like Pro-Mubarak or something?

[QUOTE=Tomaster;27753486]Why are the police not doing the same thing the army is? Are they all like Pro-Mubarak or something?[/QUOTE] I've heard they are conscripted as kids and brainwashed.

Seeing these people fight for freedom is incredibly inspiring.

[QUOTE=CommieTurtle;27753537]Seeing these people fight for freedom is incredibly inspiring.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't say they are fighting for freedom yet. I mean the Russian people fought for their freedom when they over threw Csar Nicholas the second. Look how the USSR turned out. You can't say that they fought for their freedom until we see who they replace the regime with. Thats how I look at it.

[QUOTE=Mr. Sun;27733119]Where did Pharaoh go? I hope he is okay. and Random94. I miss them![/QUOTE] Sup (damn, that post is a day old) :v:

[QUOTE=Tomaster;27753486]Why are the police not doing the same thing the army is? Are they all like Pro-Mubarak or something?[/QUOTE] I wondered this too. I toyed with the idea that they probably started out not knowing what to do when the whole rebellion thing erupted and, fearing that the government would come down on them hard with the might of the military backing them should the police refuse to act in favour of the government, they... well... did what they assumed the government would want and fought in favour of them. I mean, it's not like the police force would have the man power to stand against the military HAD they fallen in line with the government and the police hadn't. Then it turned out that the military WEREN'T going to blindly follow the government's orders and by this point it was probably already too late for the police to change their minds. Hence they all just... ran... dissipated into the crowds, stripped off their uniforms and vanished. There's like NO police officers left now in the major cities. They all just seem to have disappeared.

now thats a funny statement : from tomorrow morning police will be back in all the areas except tahrir square . their job is to guard the cities without doing anything to the demonstrators. it looks like mubarak didnt get enough sleep the way he is giving orders .

Mubarak is a moron. Anybody in his situation who can't see that they have ALREADY LOST is a complete and utter moron. He CAN'T turn this around and win. The military is quite obviously behind the civilians for the most part, and the police (the only people who Mubarak seems to have by the balls) don't stand a fucking chance against the military AND the entire civilian population.

Egyptian Citizens are apparently taking the laws into their own hands, they are forming vigilante squads to stop looters and are forming de facto traffic police. also they are handing out food.

[QUOTE=Random94;27754072]Egyptian Citizens are apparently taking the laws into their own hands, they are forming vigilante squads to stop looters and are forming de facto traffic police. also they are handing out food.[/QUOTE] true , my friends in Egypt are carrying meat choppers and patrolling the streets :P

[QUOTE=Random94;27754072]Egyptian Citizens are apparently taking the laws into their own hands, they are forming vigilante squads to stop looters and are forming de facto traffic police. also they are handing out food.[/QUOTE] They attempted that the other night too, but they weren't quite as successful as they'd hoped to be from what I heard. A lot of looters still managed to push through and smash windows in and injure a few people.

Some shops in Egypt managed to open for customers, but most remain closed.

I don't know why, but I can't help but think, that the this rebellions going to end as quickly as it started and things will go back to normal.

[QUOTE=ScoutKing;27754430]I don't know why, but I can't help but think, that the this rebellions going to end as quickly as it started and things will go back to normal.[/QUOTE] There's no way it's going to be going back under Mubarak. It's too late for that, the people ARE going to get freedom, and fair democracy no matter what happens.

[QUOTE=ThePutty;27754459]There's no way it's going to be going back under Mubarak. It's too late for that, the people ARE going to get freedom, and fair democracy no matter what happens.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry, but when I keep hearing fair democracy in the middle east it just makes me scratch my head. I mean theres no such thing as fair democracy in western society as it is so.. And haven't other countries tried to do this and failed miserably in the last few years. Take the Iranian riots last year for example.

[QUOTE=ScoutKing;27754522]I'm sorry, but when I keep hearing fair democracy in the middle east it just makes me scratch my head. I mean theres no such thing as fair democracy in western society as it is so.. And haven't other countries tried to do this and failed miserably in the last few years. Take the Iranian riots last year for example.[/QUOTE] Tunisia that is all

According to some reports, there are some people that managed to steal military grade assault rifles.

[QUOTE=ScoutKing;27754522]I'm sorry, but when I keep hearing fair democracy in the middle east it just makes me scratch my head. I mean theres no such thing as fair democracy in western society as it is so.. And haven't other countries tried to do this and failed miserably in the last few years. Take the Iranian riots last year for example.[/QUOTE]Look at Tunisia. And the Iranian riots weren't as powerful as these were, for starters, presidents of Iran can only serve two, four-year terms, like the U.S. There were also pro-Ahmadinejad rallies at the same time.

[QUOTE=Random94;27754549]According to some reports, there are some people that managed to steal military grade assault rifles.[/QUOTE] Thugs or protesters?