The Middle East Revolution [2010-2011] Thread: I love baton - General

[QUOTE=Jsm;27764416]I am no expert (and I don't claim to be) but I thought that the people in Sudan have (almost) gotten what they want (the country to be split up)?[/QUOTE] yeah that was through a vote , what I mean is that people in the northern Sudan are starting to protest and blaming their leaders for all the things that happened to their country and leaded to the split

I haven't been following this before today (I tend to ignore everything but local news for days, if not weeks, because I get annoyed at idiots on the world stage), but I've read up on a lot of details over the past few hours. As an American, I am ashamed and angered at my government for supporting Mubarak. I hope he goes. Soon. I hope when things are all said and done, the US and Egypt can still be friendly towards each other, but not forced to be "friends" (as...I didn't catch his name, but someone that was just on the Al Jazeera stream was saying, that you guys don't like that the US forces you to be friendly with us). The last thing we need after this, and hell, the last thing we need period are more conflicts and more bad blood between countries. Yes, the US made horrible decisions in supporting Mubarak, but nothing can change what has already happened. I'm sure there's nothing we can do anytime soon can make up for our support of Mubarak (though really no competent people I know are happy with the decision to support him, nor am I). But what I do hope is that, while this does look bad on our part, that America and Egypt can work together, on more equal terms, in the near future. That we can be grown up, we can be mature, we can be diplomatic and look past this, and try to work together fairly. That there's no more forced "friendship", but more of a... natural friendly relationship between our two countries. Go Egypt, though I can do nothing, I'm behind them 100% and will be until they get the justice they deserve.

[QUOTE=Aulims;27764475]I haven't been following this before today (I tend to ignore everything but local news for days, if not weeks, because I get annoyed at idiots on the world stage), but I've read up on a lot of details over the past few hours. As an American, I am ashamed and angered at my government for supporting Mubarak. I hope he goes. Soon. I hope when things are all said and done, the US and Egypt can still be friendly towards each other, but not forced to be "friends" (as...I didn't catch his name, but someone that was just on the Al Jazeera stream was saying, that you guys don't like that the US forces you to be friendly with us). The last thing we need after this, and hell, the last thing we need period are more conflicts and more bad blood between countries. Yes, the US made horrible decisions in supporting Mubarak, but nothing can change what has already happened. I'm sure there's nothing we can do anytime soon can make up for our support of Mubarak (though really no competent people I know are happy with the decision to support him, nor am I). But what I do hope is that, while this does look bad on our part, that America and Egypt can work together, on more equal terms, in the near future. That we can be grown up, we can be mature, we can be diplomatic and look past this, and try to work together fairly. That there's no more forced "friendship", but more of a... natural friendly relationship between our two countries. Go Egypt, though I can do nothing, I'm behind them 100% and will be until they get the justice they deserve.[/QUOTE] A lot of that support for Mubarak stems from the fact that he was pretty friendly towards Israel, and often collaborated with them to broker trade and peace agreements. Since Israel is our biggest ally in the Middle East (whether or not you like that), we have an obligation to support who they support and vice versa.

[QUOTE=Litos456;27764301][url]http://twitter.com/Fhaid/status/31749589300158465[/url] Interesting tweet. Is the whole Arab world really going to erupt? One thing thats a MILD prediction but I hope comes out of this is some kind of change in oil production. Maybe this will cause major oil disruptions and finally cause people to go green on a larger scale.[/QUOTE] No.

[QUOTE=Pharaoh;27764468]yeah that was through a vote , what I mean is that people in the northern Sudan are starting to protest and blaming their leaders for all the things that happened to their country and leaded to the split[/QUOTE] Ah that makes sense I guess.

Maybe the US is waiting for Mubarak to go down, and then they'll want to help the people get back on their feet. But really hard to say, the US is unpredictable, and they might wait for the rest of the Arabian revolution to be over before doing things, which might take several months.

[QUOTE=Aulims;27764475]I haven't been following this before today (I tend to ignore everything but local news for days, if not weeks, because I get annoyed at idiots on the world stage), but I've read up on a lot of details over the past few hours. As an American, I am ashamed and angered at my government for supporting Mubarak. I hope he goes. Soon. I hope when things are all said and done, the US and Egypt can still be friendly towards each other, but not forced to be "friends" (as...I didn't catch his name, but someone that was just on the Al Jazeera stream was saying, that you guys don't like that the US forces you to be friendly with us). The last thing we need after this, and hell, the last thing we need period are more conflicts and more bad blood between countries. Yes, the US made horrible decisions in supporting Mubarak, but nothing can change what has already happened. I'm sure there's nothing we can do anytime soon can make up for our support of Mubarak (though really no competent people I know are happy with the decision to support him, nor am I). But what I do hope is that, while this does look bad on our part, that America and Egypt can work together, on more equal terms, in the near future. That we can be grown up, we can be mature, we can be diplomatic and look past this, and try to work together fairly. That there's no more forced "friendship", but more of a... natural friendly relationship between our two countries. Go Egypt, though I can do nothing, I'm behind them 100% and will be until they get the justice they deserve.[/QUOTE] I thank you for your kind feelings :) We, Egyptians , know the difference between governments/politics and normal people simply, governments don't really believe in democracy in the middle east and human rights. all they do care for is protecting US most important ally , Israel. the current events and their support for Mubarak is the strongest proof. but we do know that normal people like you and many others here who want egyptians to gain their freedom and support them all the way, people who don't put personal benefits in account while giving speeches like Mr. Obama and Mrs Hillary. what I would like to say is. we really appreciate your solidarity and starting from this support you show to us ,a true friendship can be built between our people . As we will always remember those who stood behind us :)

[QUOTE=Led Zeppelin;27764557]Stuff[/QUOTE] I agree with Israel having their own country, I just don't agree with circumventing human rights to achieve support for them. It's just that there's probably plenty of people in Egypt that could be supportive of Israel without doing things like Mubarak did. For instance, doesn't Elbaradei, the opposition leader, support them? @Pharaoh: Anything I can do, and I wish I could do more. I hope everything is okay with your brother (I'll admit I didn't read every single post, so I don't know if you've mentioned anywhere if you've heard from him). Obama's a jackass for supporting Mubarak yet one of his big things is supposedly equality among everyone. America and Egypt, bros til the end. (Or rather, America, not including those idiots in office who support crap like Mubarak) I love you, Egypt, and my heart and thoughts go out to you in hopes for a speedy end to this conflict, and a positive outcome. And especially to you Pharaoh, and of course your brother and any other family back home. [media]http://www.pinmart.com/assets/item/regular/S345.jpg[/media] I should get one of these...

One of the thing that people are afraid of is that if Mubarak is removed from power, an Islamic extremist group will take control of the country instead. Egypt would totally go to hell if that happened, so...

I doubt they'd happen, I think everyone would up Elbaradei in position of leading the country, at least temporarily, there's really nobody else to do it.

[QUOTE=Litos456;27765071]I doubt they'd happen, I think everyone would up Elbaradei in position of leading the country, at least temporarily, there's really nobody else to do it.[/QUOTE] They need Elbaradei to lead the country, as he was right there in the middle of the protests with the people. He's perfect for it

[QUOTE=ThePutty;27765151]They need Elbaradei to lead the country, as he was right there in the middle of the protests with the people. He's perfect for it[/QUOTE] Well of course he was there in the protests. He's Mubarak's biggest rival for power, he's going to take whatever chance he can get to make Mubarak fuck off. But it doesn't mean he's perfect for the job. From what I've been hearing, people there aren't too fond of him either.

[QUOTE=Aulims;27764903]I agree with Israel having their own country, I just don't agree with circumventing human rights to achieve support for them. It's just that there's probably plenty of people in Egypt that could be supportive of Israel without doing things like Mubarak did. For instance, doesn't Elbaradei, the opposition leader, support them? @Pharaoh: Anything I can do, and I wish I could do more. I hope everything is okay with your brother (I'll admit I didn't read every single post, so I don't know if you've mentioned anywhere if you've heard from him). Obama's a jackass for supporting Mubarak yet one of his big things is supposedly equality among everyone. America and Egypt, bros til the end. (Or rather, America, not including those idiots in office who support crap like Mubarak) I love you, Egypt, and my heart and thoughts go out to you in hopes for a speedy end to this conflict, and a positive outcome. And especially to you Pharaoh, and of course your brother and any other family back home. [media]http://www.pinmart.com/assets/item/regular/S345.jpg[/media] I should get one of these...[/QUOTE] Israel having their own country is a right no one deny now , back in time in 1948 when they announced the state of israel on palestinian lands , it was right to fight them and kick them , but now we're in 2011 .. there are generations that were born there and have no other home , you can't simply kick them out. but I wish they would respect Palestinians and make real peace. I know Mubarak must support Israel .. but not support it way too much to the point where israel is more important for him than Egypt. we know the next president must have diplomatic relations with Israel and we understand, but all we are asking for is someone who will put Egypt as his first priority at all costs. yeah i called my brother few hours ago and he is fine as he survived being beaten on the head by a baton and few gun shots around him , 8 lives left :p I feel touched and I really thank you bro , what you said means a lot to me and to other Egyptians :) --- [QUOTE=SA Spyder;27764987]One of the thing that people are afraid of is that if Mubarak is removed from power, an Islamic extremist group will take control of the country instead. Egypt would totally go to hell if that happened, so...[/QUOTE] right now , my friend , no one can take control of egypt except those chosen by egyptian people. people already know ,for the first time , that they are the decision makers. "Islamic extremist group" is the term Mubarak is using to make the west support him , by saying " Its either me or Islamic extremists"

[QUOTE=SA Spyder;27764987]One of the thing that people are afraid of is that if Mubarak is removed from power, an Islamic extremist group will take control of the country instead. Egypt would totally go to hell if that happened, so...[/QUOTE] thats what I am afraid of to. I am more afraid of that this will cause a domino effect, causing other revolutions, give more power to extremist in even less stable countries. If Egypt can have a revolution, that means any other country in the region has the momentum. Basically, this could be really bad and shit house for most of the world and the region if this goes wrong. I'm not going to lie, I don't have that much faith in the Egyptian people or the citizens in the other countries when it comes to who is going to take power after these sprees of rebellions.

Why are they repeating tweets... Tweets will always come in with new things, its stupid to repeat them :\ Also Elbaradei doesn't really want to be in power. Originally he even said he didnt want to lead but afterwards realized there's noone else and people need him.

[QUOTE=Litos456;27765295]Why are they repeating tweets... Tweets will always come in with new things, its stupid to repeat them :\ Also Elbaradei doesn't really want to be in power. Originally he even said he didnt want to lead but afterwards realized there's noone else and people need him.[/QUOTE] That is BAD news right there. There is a rebellion with out a leader and only a short term goal, which is get ride of Mubarak. This just gives me more reason to believe this revolution is going to get hijacked.

[QUOTE=Pharaoh;27765235]Stuff and bronation[/QUOTE] Yeah, back then I could see conflicts. But when you think about it, it's technically their ancestral home land. But yes, the Palestinians should not be trampled over because of it. They both belong there, whether they like it or not. It's the home of both of them both, and everyone needs to realize this. And I agree, diplomacy with Israel is good, but not to the point where you ignore your home and your people. A state's leader should ALWAYS put his people before anything, even himself. And good to hear about your brother :) He sounds like a tough and courageous person, and he definitely has my respect.

Fuck, that guy who says there are millions of people supporting Mubarak pissed me fucking off. He's talking pure shit and doesn't know what to say when he's asked where are those millions of people, and comes out with some fucking retard excuse, rofl. I wish they fucking stopped repeating that...

[QUOTE=Pharaoh;27765235] right now , my friend , no one can take control of egypt except those chosen by egyptian people. people already know ,for the first time , that they are the decision makers. "Islamic extremist group" is the term Mubarak are using to make the west support them , by saying " Its either me or Islamic extremists"[/QUOTE] In Egypt, people couldn't care less about what Mubarak says. He hasn't exactly been doing anything to stop the extremists from fucking up the country. A major fuel contribution to this rebellion is arguably the attacks on the churches. The whole country has been shaken up by those, and Mubarak did nothing to fix it. But I do think that people want a stronger leader out of this rebellion, as opposed to just "not extremists." Do you understand what I mean?

[QUOTE=Aulims;27765334]Yeah, back then I could see conflicts. But when you think about it, it's technically their ancestral home land. But yes, the Palestinians should not be trampled over because of it. They both belong there, whether they like it or not. It's the home of both of them both, and everyone needs to realize this. And I agree, diplomacy with Israel is good, but not to the point where you ignore your home and your people. A state's leader should ALWAYS put his people before anything, even himself. And good to hear about your brother :) He sounds like a tough and courageous person, and he definitely has my respect.[/QUOTE] agreed , every one will have to deal with the two countries solution. hope they work on peace negotiations more seriously though . [QUOTE=SA Spyder;27765430]In Egypt, people couldn't care less about what Mubarak says. He hasn't exactly been doing anything to stop the extremists from fucking up the country. A major fuel contribution to this rebellion is arguably the attacks on the churches. The whole country has been shaken up by those, and Mubarak did nothing to fix it. But I do think that people want a stronger leader out of this rebellion, as opposed to just "not extremists." Do you understand what I mean?[/QUOTE] yeah I get what you are trying to say. well I really hope for Elbaradei to be the next president. he is well known inside and outside Egypt. and should make a good balance for temporary government. --------- Edit I really like it how he stand there between the people and the way he is dressed , very humble. you can hardly tell that this person is a noble peace prize winner , I guess we really need someone like this [URL=http://img408.imageshack.us/i/16472010710461603332310.jpg/][IMG]http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/9213/16472010710461603332310.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

ElBaradei, elements of the old bureaucracy, and the elements in the military all represent possibilities for the United States to have an Egypt that still answers to them and their geo-political games in the Middle-East, as well as the stance towards Israel and the Palestinian issue. US isn't putting all their eggs in one basket and they have other ways to make due if Mubarak is forced out. They need a competent leader who will keep things rolling- they can use the same exact levels of repression and corruption that Mubarak had. Hopefully this won't be the case- I don't see someone like ElBaradei doing that but I can see a clown like the Suleiman doing that. That's the way I see it at least. The Egyptian people want to take back the country and have it answerable to them, not to the United States or Israel.

The YouTube comments on some of these videos make me sick."send me over there I will shoot them since the cops won't." I guess these are just kids who have no idea what the situation is and have no respect for human life.

[QUOTE=Pharaoh;27765755] I really like it how he stand there between the people and the way he is dressed , very humble. you can hardly tell that this person is a noble peace prize winner , I guess we really need someone like this [URL=http://img408.imageshack.us/i/16472010710461603332310.jpg/][img_thumb]http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/9213/16472010710461603332310.jpg[/img_thumb][/URL][/QUOTE] Are you honestly basing off how hes going to perform in office by the way he stands in a crowd and dresses? I hope you are not like the average Egyptian with the way you base off whos a good politician or not.

[QUOTE=ScoutKing;27765968]Are you honestly basing off how hes going to perform in office by the way he stands in a crowd and dresses? [/QUOTE] It says a lot. Obviously Pharaoh knows more than that about him. He's just mentioning this as an addition to everything else about Elbaradei.

[QUOTE=ScoutKing;27765968]Are you honestly basing off how hes going to perform in office by the way he stands in a crowd and dresses? I hope you are not like the average Egyptian with the way you base off whos a good politician or not.[/QUOTE] haha ofcourse not , I know the history of the man very well, and all what he has done as director of IAEA. but there is something about officials in Egypt, is that they are extremely arrogant , you never see them in the streets and they never listen to anyone. for example , since the revolution started 25 January ,we have not heard any serious statement and no one really cared till they knew they already lost. there were fights and dead people everywhere but all government officials have not said a word , imagine. we never see these people or even know where they live. that's why we need someone that , besides his experience and skills, can communicate with the people Edit and btw the average egyptian level was never put in test to rate it , cause egyptians were never allowed to choose anyone in the past :\

[QUOTE=KingNick220;27765966]The YouTube comments on some of these videos make me sick."send me over there I will shoot them since the cops won't." I guess these are just kids who have no idea what the situation is and have no respect for human life.[/QUOTE] Are you really expecting the average YouTube commenter to have an understanding of what is happening in a country they most likely can't point to on a map? I am sure there are some intelligent people commenting on YouTube, but I have yet to find them.

[img]http://i54.tinypic.com/28k7d6w.png[/img] This kid is starting to piss me off. He's known for his trolling everywhere (because he fails to have any dignity in real life) but now he's just acting like a fucking smartass, without knowing any facts. Honestly I have no words. He is not stupid usually, but sometimes he just crosses the line... And he just posted this while I was typing this post: "I AM NOT A SMARTASS I TAKE AP WORLD HOW DARE YOU CALL ME A SMARTASS. Also how can you not trust the media? They're everywhere, where the hell are you getting your 'intel' from? Your AC buddies? I know EVERYTHING that goes on there, they're LYING to you for local prophets. Use your head, infidel!" Lol he claims that taking an Advanced Placement World History class makes him a credible source of information. Sigh... really? :| Edit: I dont even know what to say to him anymore lol, I'm not even sure what he's talking about now. They're just trying to remove Mubarak, where does the stuff that he's talking about come in even.

give us his phone number

hahahaha ... omg this is so funny ... --- SNL makes fun of mubarak [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns-GYoIH-7I&feature=player_embedded#at=17[/url]

I dont have his phone number unfortunately. I do have his aim screenname... Not really keen on giving out private information, but he's really... Don't even have the words for it. I stopped posting as I honestly have no idea what to say at this point, like every word he says is ridiculous.