The Middle East Revolution [2010-2011] Thread: I love baton - General

So much gunfire on Al Jazeera.

Im hearing it too. Im starting to lose faith in the people and their army. If the army doesn't protect them, then they're basically traitors (and pansies). And the people never went to the presidential palace, despite being large with 2 million. Why? Noone knows, but some were busy planning a bloody football tournament "to keep people entertained". Great job, now people are getting killed. All this could have been over.

I think more blood would have been shed had they rushed for the palace IMO. I don't think they had that many people anyway, the BBC were saying no more than 200k.

Must be hard to get to sleep for the people who live there with all the noise.

[QUOTE=Jsm;27825840]I think more blood would have been shed had they rushed for the palace IMO. I don't think they had that many people anyway, the BBC were saying no more than 200k.[/QUOTE] BBC was talking shit... they had more than one million. Some reports said even 2 million. Thats a huge number. Even if there was more bloodshed it would be FOR SOMETHING, for a cause. Right now they're just sitting there like ducks in a pond and getting shot and nobody is doing anything. If there needs to be bloodshed for a bigger cause then be it, but if nothing will come out of it besides death and stubborn fucks like the army (and the people who didnt fucking go anywhere), then I can't support that. I'm sorry but unless the army steps in, all these deaths are noone's fault but theirs. Im losing faith because of how stupid of a mistake they made, and I predicted it would do no good, and look at the result.

[QUOTE=Litos456;27825698]Im hearing it too. Im starting to lose faith in the people and their army. If the army doesn't protect them, then they're basically traitors (and pansies). And the people never went to the presidential palace, despite being large with 2 million. Why? Noone knows, but some were busy planning a bloody football tournament "to keep people entertained". Great job, now people are getting killed. All this could have been over.[/QUOTE] You can't condemn the army in this. They promised NOT to harm civilians. Sure, there's reports going around that the pro-Mubarak supporters are largely plain-clothed cops and government officials, but I'm willing to bet there's a FEW nutters in there who AREN'T cops or government people and are just... complete morons. Complete and utter morons that for some deluded reason think that Mubarak should remain in power. And complete morons or not: they're civilians. The army have promised not to harm civilians under any circumstances. I could see the army getting pissed off and storming the presidential palace soon, though.

[QUOTE=Fables;27823953]Communist Egypt sounds bad ass.[/QUOTE] One of my puppet states in Making History II is called Communist Egypt. Second best African puppet state I control. Anyhow, what' the news on the museum?

All I know is there's a bunch of gunfire coming from it. [editline]2nd February 2011[/editline] I really want to say fuck the West today.

[QUOTE=sltungle;27825964]You can't condemn the army in this. They promised NOT to harm civilians. Sure, there's reports going around that the pro-Mubarak supporters are largely plain-clothed cops and government officials, but I'm willing to bet there's a FEW nutters in there who AREN'T cops or government people and are just... complete morons. Complete and utter morons that for some deluded reason think that Mubarak should remain in power. And complete morons or not: they're civilians. The army have promised not to harm civilians under any circumstances. I could see the army getting pissed off and storming the presidential palace soon, though.[/QUOTE] There are riot police there now, in uniforms too. And these "civilians" have GUNS. Lethal, live bullet guns. Theyre KILLING people with them. Where did they get them? Use your imagination. Its unfair and clearly they're aggressive and brutal unlike the anti-Govt protesters. The army needs to use some logic. They're essentially killing people by not stepping in and protecting them.

I agree with Litos. They had the opportunity now to rush the palace and make a change already. Right now they're chanting and basically sitting in place. Bullets are gonna keep flying and the protestors are just dying without doing much of a noble change at this time. The president has already said that he's not going anywhere so it's up to the army now to do anything or the people to organize the march already. Sitting there getting shot isn't going to help anyone. The West really cannot be going in there right now.

They can't organize a march. Its too disoriented now, too many people dying and wounded, and in distress. Many have left but thousands are still holding the square - because if they let the Pro-Mubaraks take it, those will start their own fake protests crying out "We're sorry, Mubarak" and then he'll stay basically. Thats his plan, and I can't believe that so far its working. This has reached the point of where the army has the whole country in their hands. Let hundreds die in a massacre, or save lives and be national heroes forever. All you need is one soldier with some balls to defy orders, and then others will follow. And it'll turn into a coup. Come on, young hero, do it.

The army is doing jack shit now, I think it's going to have a major split.

[QUOTE=Litos456;27825877]BBC was talking shit... they had more than one million. Some reports said even 2 million. [/QUOTE] I only saw Al Jazeera reporting that, and they stopped mentioning numbers after a while. Reuters etc were all saying 200k and the BBC were saying that there was no way that 1 million people could fit into the square. Although iirc Al Jazeera are one stage were saying "in and around" the square.

Well now there are probably only thousands in the square with all the violence.

[QUOTE=Litos456;27825877]BBC was talking shit... they had more than one million. Some reports said even 2 million. Thats a huge number. Even if there was more bloodshed it would be FOR SOMETHING, for a cause. Right now they're just sitting there like ducks in a pond and getting shot and nobody is doing anything. If there needs to be bloodshed for a bigger cause then be it, but if nothing will come out of it besides death and stubborn fucks like the army (and the people who didnt fucking go anywhere), then I can't support that. I'm sorry but unless the army steps in, all these deaths are noone's fault but theirs. Im losing faith because of how stupid of a mistake they made, and I predicted it would do no good, and look at the result.[/QUOTE] Didn't I say this shit was going to happen a few days ago? [editline]3rd February 2011[/editline] its a miracle, I predicted a revolution was going to end in pointless bloodshed cause chanting =/= a effective government revolt.

[QUOTE=Fables;27826688]Well now there are probably only thousands in the square with all the violence.[/QUOTE] Doesn't it usually die down at night anyway? Perhaps the protesters will come back out in force in the morning like the previous 9 days.

I truly hope the Egyptian military does something. I mean, if they do try and help the protesters, they'd be hailed as heroes, and if they fail, they are branded as criminals (by the government, anyways). However, if they do nothing, they'd be nothing but cowards to both sides.

[QUOTE=Litos456;27825698]Im starting to lose faith in the people and their army. If the army doesn't protect them, then they're basically traitors (and pansies). And the people never went to the presidential palace, despite being large with 2 million. Why? Noone knows, but some were busy planning a bloody football tournament "to keep people entertained". Great job, now people are getting killed. All this could have been over.[/QUOTE] The army can't directly intervene without it turning into a coup, because they're led by Mubarak. If they took too much action here against the police-as-protesters, they'd catch hell for it as taking action against specific citizens. It'd be inflated to hell, people would come up with bullshit accusations that the whole thing was staging grounds for a coup, etc. And the crowd itself can't exactly charge an armed position because they'd either be fucked or they'd get the military involved doing so, and suddenly you'd have the same bullshit accusations. What's going on now- a mass of determined folks simply saying "no" and biding their time- is probably the best thing that could happen in the long run. It shows that this is the will of the people, and leaves no room for anyone to accuse it of being anything but. Aside from Bill O'Reilly pretending this whole thing is the work of terrorists who want to worship satan and eat your children, but he says that about everybody.

[QUOTE=Jsm;27826640]I only saw Al Jazeera reporting that, and they stopped mentioning numbers after a while. Reuters etc were all saying 200k and the BBC were saying that there was no way that 1 million people could fit into the square. Although iirc Al Jazeera are one stage were saying "in and around" the square.[/QUOTE] Exactly, they were around the square on the surrounding streets. Also at one point at Al-Jazeera the cameraman panned the camera from looking at a reporter to outside the window. While he was turning the camera, you could see a HUGE, and I mean HUUUUGE mob of people. It was insane, I pissed my pants, and it definitely looked like a million. Obviously only a portion of them could fit into one camera shot, but that pan really showed whats beyond the screen there. And Fhenexx, couldn't have said it better, it's true. Xeno, there SHOULD be a coup. That's the whole point. The army has the decision now and they need to take Egypt from Mubarak and his hell-ridden regime.

[QUOTE=Jsm;27826787]Doesn't it usually die down at night anyway? Perhaps the protesters will come back out in force in the morning like the previous 9 days.[/QUOTE] perhaps they will try and return to work and prevent further pointless blood shed. The military isn't going to do anything, and the police will not stop the their shenanigans, the dictator couldn't give a two shits and the people who do not fall into this category have proven to only be able to chant and paint sights. Mubarak is not going to run again in September, the protests should just end and try to stabilize the country and wait out the next 8 months. OR they can continue to play this game, only furthering destabilizing their country. Just bite the bullet and quit this shit, or grow some balls and storm the palace were Mubarak is.

Has any more been mentioned about the apparent Friday deadline for Mubarak to get out? If people are still sticking to that something could happen more towards the end of the week tbh.

I doubt they'll march. Yes they should grow some balls but theres too much disorientation and distress as I said earlier now because of the shooting. The army needs to grow some balls and be heroes. Also I'm confused, but is someone flipping the light switch in Cairo? It says live but I keep seeing the light of the same shot changing from like 3AM to 6AM and in between, it's really weird.

Also a while ago (10 hours ago maybe) the BBC were reporting that the state TV channel had a banner warning that men with Molotov's were heading towards the square, and I just noticed that Al Jazeera are reporting that men with Molotov's are near the square. Possibly connected? [editline]3rd February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Litos456;27827102] Also I'm confused, but is someone flipping the light switch in Cairo? It says live but I keep seeing the light of the same shot changing from like 3AM to 6AM and in between, it's really weird.[/QUOTE] I think it's the camera, it has done some weird things over the last couple of days. I think one of the views is just a web cam stuck on a roof.

Well men with molotovs have been now using the molotovs on the square, lol. Also does anybody understand who is who in that shot that is being aired right now? Are the people on the bridge pro-mubarak or anti-govt? And behind the barricades? I'm kinda confused.

[QUOTE=voodooattack;27823822]I'll just leave this here then: [URL]http://m.gawker.com/5749601/the-right+wing-nuts-guide-to-egypt[/URL][/QUOTE] Haha I decided to post it here: [URL="http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1056144-The-Right-Wing-Nut-s-Guide-to-Egypt?p=27827157#post27827157"]http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1056144-The-Right-Wing-Nut-s-Guide-to-Egypt?p=27827157[/URL]

Ok AJE just confirmed the guys behind the barricades are anti-Mubarak, good.

So let's see what happens today...

I know this is rather off topic, and I know it's so simple and such a little thing that it's barely worth mentioning, but I made this in Minecraft: [media]http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/3197/victoryf.png[/media] I'm also working on some pixel art of a picture involving Mubarak, but I'm not done with that one yet. Good on ya, Egyptians. I'm still in full support. I'm glad that at least one of my teachers in school is really interested in this. When the million-some march in Tahrir was just starting, he interrupted class to show us the live feed from Al Jazeera. Between me and him, at least some of my school is interested and on your side. I wish I could do more, y'know, protest, or demonstrate infront of my state or national capitol, but that sort of thing is a bit out of reach for me. Trust me, if I had the money and the time, I'd be right there in Cairo with you.

Yeah, me too. And thats a great sign you built there in MC, good job! I was extremely baffled when my history teacher didn't even mention the protests. I couldn't believe he didn't care at all - I used to have much respect for him, but now I've lost a lot of it. He had two copies of the same newspaper lying in front of him with a huge article on the protests (I even took one and read some of it, they provided surprisingly accurate info, the new york times, at least in the part that I read) and he didnt mention it at all. I was sure he would but yeah. Some people.

Most people don't give a shit what goes on outside their own countries unless it affects it.