[QUOTE=Derubermensch;26914687]Semen is just a bodily fluid. However, if it is bonded with an egg it immediately becomes an entirely different entity. My personal belief is that until the sperm has bonded with the egg, it is merely a part of your body. When it has a different DNA structure than you, it is not a "clump of cells" like shedding skin or losing a finger.[/QUOTE]
But it still isn't capable of thinking, and is easily replaceable.
Conscious human beings aren't easily replaceable, and losing one is a tragedy.
That's the difference.
[QUOTE=Derubermensch;26914687]Semen is just a bodily fluid. However, if it is bonded with an egg it immediately becomes an entirely different entity. My personal belief is that until the sperm has bonded with the egg, it is merely a part of your body. When it has a different DNA structure than you, it is not a "clump of cells" like shedding skin or losing a finger.[/QUOTE]
Would you call not feeding the homeless murder? just like abortion your not feeding the embro. and like I said before there are too many people on the planet.
[QUOTE=TheDudeGuy;26910817]Fetuses have the potential for being humans, so why does that make them anything less than human.[/QUOTE]
Uh, you go to Ikea and buy a chair it's in pieces
It has the potential to be a chair
but in its current form it is less than a chair
if x has the potential to be y, x!= y
I have views on abortion
I, as well.
Mine are better than yours
[QUOTE=Zeke129;26915107]Uh, you go to Ikea and buy a chair it's in pieces
It has the potential to be a chair
but in its current form it is less than a chair
if x has the potential to be y, x!= y[/QUOTE]
Exactly. The proteins in a hamburger get processed and some of it goes towards creating new sperm, which could become a human being. Likewise the mother could then eat a salad, which contributes to the growth of a fetus, which has the potential to become a human being.
Any source of protein, water, or carbon has the potential to become a human being, so at what point does destroying them become immoral?
Abortion is my second favorite.
I am ok and recommend abortion. Less unwanted kids, the better. They will end up in pain and suffering anyway. A fetus is not a human, so you're not taking a way a life since it's not even there yet.
[QUOTE=TheDudeGuy;26914365]Whether or not it has those 'abilities' doesn't make it anything lesser than a person like you or me.[/QUOTE]
yes actually
it does
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;26915074]Would you call not feeding the homeless murder? just like abortion your not feeding the embro. and like I said before there are too many people on the planet.[/QUOTE]
You better be trolling. When did I ever insinuate that masturbation was murder!?
[QUOTE=Derubermensch;26915710]You better be trolling. When did I ever insinuate that masturbation was murder!?[/QUOTE]
you better be trolling
you're trying to use logic to defend a purely subjective and emotional stance (pro-life)
[QUOTE=Doriol;26915743]you better be trolling
you're trying to use logic to defend a purely subjective and emotional stance (pro-life)[/QUOTE]
How else would I defend it?
[QUOTE=Doriol;26915652]yes actually
it does[/QUOTE]
Not necessarily, quit being so thick.
[QUOTE=TheDudeGuy;26915837]No it doesn't, quit being so thick.[/QUOTE]
lol
:irony:
[QUOTE=TheDudeGuy;26915837]No it doesn't, quit being so thick.[/QUOTE]
I'm afraid that by definition, it does make it less than a 'person'. there is a big quote a few pages back that explains it
I don't think it should be used as a means of child support for kids who are just too lazy or cheap to get contraceptives in the first place, but i think in some situations, it's okay.
[QUOTE=JohnStamosFan;26915967]I don't think it should be used as a means of child support for kids who are just too lazy or cheap to get contraceptives in the first place, but i think in some situations, it's okay.[/QUOTE]
do you hate poor black people in central africa as well?
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;26915905]I'm afraid that by definition, it does make it less than a 'person'. there is a big quote a few pages back that explains it[/QUOTE]
Truth is, there is no real answer to whether fetuses are less-than humans or not, only opinions. I'm just going to drop it right there because I don't like getting in long arguments.
[QUOTE=TheDudeGuy;26916159]Truth is, there is no real answer to whether fetuses are less-than humans or not, only opinions. I'm just going to drop it right there because I don't like getting in long arguments.[/QUOTE]
If it's just opinion then how can you call someone thick for not agreeing with it?
[QUOTE=I Broke The Sun!;26916210]If it's just opinion then how can you call someone thick for not agreeing with it?[/QUOTE]
I'm calling him thick because of his closed mind and "My OpiNIOns ARE RIghT YOur'S aRE Wrong".
That being said, I'm done arguing.
[QUOTE=TheDudeGuy;26916159]Truth is, there is no real answer to whether fetuses are less-than humans or not, only opinions.[/QUOTE]
no not really
a fetus is barely functional as a human
[QUOTE=Doriol;26916300]no not really
a fetus is barely functional as a human[/QUOTE]
:downsbravo:
[QUOTE=TheDudeGuy;26916263]I'm calling him thick because of his closed mind and "My OpiNIOns ARE RIghT YOur'S aRE Wrong".
That being said, I'm done arguing.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=TheDudeGuy;26915837][B]No it doesn't,[/B] quit being so thick.[/QUOTE]
Sorry but there you implied that it was because he didn't agree with you
[QUOTE=I Broke The Sun!;26916399]Sorry but there you implied that it was because he didn't agree with you[/QUOTE]
That sound better? (edited)
[QUOTE=TheDudeGuy;26916386]:downsbravo:[/QUOTE]
He's right
If you think not allowing abortion as a form of punishment is good, you're a fucking dumbass.
It's not the parent that gets punished, it's the kid.
[QUOTE=Derubermensch;26915710]You better be trolling. When did I ever insinuate that masturbation was murder!?[/QUOTE]
Wrong post. but since sperm have a little more then half the dna of a baby wouldnt it still be murder?
[editline]23rd December 2010[/editline]
But really I would rather have a teen to not have a child then have one and ruin the life of many people.
The last thing this planet needs is more bastard children. Abortion of unwanted children is a good thing.
[QUOTE=Doriol;26916971]The last thing this planet needs is more bastard children. Abortion of unwanted children is a good thing.[/QUOTE]
That might sound horrible but its the truth
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