Your views on abortion? - General

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;26917977]Womans rights? How about the fucking child. Hell at 7 months pregnant the child can be sentient yet according to Canada's ass backwards law you can still abort the child.[/QUOTE] Laws in the US don't recognize fetuses as human beings either. Wherever you draw the line between fetus/child, it's irrelevant. Until birth it's part of the mother and not allowing her to abort is denying her sovereignty over her own body as Doriol (I believe) already stated.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;26918029]Laws in the US don't recognize fetuses as human beings either.[/QUOTE] People have given birth to children at 7 months. If you can't see whats wrong with being able to abort a child at that point then I really don't know what to say. Also I'm not from the US so stop quoting US law. Even in the UK you couldn't abort the child at 7 months unless the child posed a threat to the womans life and/or had some form of disability.

Its more like they're using one person's civil liberties to block another's which is.....just...appalling.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;26918068]People have given birth to children at 7 months. If you can't see whats wrong with being able to abort a child at that point then I really don't know what to say.[/QUOTE] And once they have given birth abortion should absolutely be off the table because it is no longer part of the mother but a separate entity. Until that point, it IS the mother. And you do not get say over what she can and cannot do with her own body.

Hmm why dont people just get neutered. when they want to have kids they can get there genes from a sperm bank and no use for condoms and the population would go down.

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;26918125]Hmm why dont people just get neutered. when they want to have kids they can get there genes from a sperm bank and no use for condoms and the population would go down.[/QUOTE] Vasectomies can fail.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;26918135]Vasectomies can fail.[/QUOTE] How. in injury or the person being able to still give out sex cells

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;26918188]How. in injury or the person being able to still give out sex cells[/QUOTE] Both

I despise this whole topic because so many of the arguments depend on proper wording. If your argument is really rational, it doesn't matter if you call it a fetus, a baby, a parasite, an unborn child, or whatever term. If your argument isn't very effective if you change unborn baby to fetus or vice versa than it simply isn't a good argument.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;26918124]And once they have given birth abortion should absolutely be off the table because it is no longer part of the mother but a separate entity. Until that point, it IS the mother. And you do not get say over what she can and cannot do with her own body.[/QUOTE] Many would disagree and say that as soon as the child has grown to the point it has a functioning brain it cannot be aborted. Most western countries follow this.

[QUOTE=Pepin;26918219]I despise this whole topic because so many of the arguments depend on proper wording. If your argument is really rational, it doesn't matter if you call it a fetus, a baby, a parasite, an unborn child, or whatever term. If your argument isn't very effective if you change unborn baby to fetus or vice versa than it simply isn't a good argument.[/QUOTE] This whole topic is twisted in of itself. We completely ignore one's potential for another and that's the basis of killing off one. In reality, the DNA speaks for itself, its fucking human. I don't care if women do get abortions. It is their body after all but don't beat around the bush to make any less twisted then it is. This is where our ridiculous sense of "Justification" jumps in.

[QUOTE=Swilly;26918242]This whole topic is twisted in of itself. We completely ignore one's potential for another and that's the basis of killing off one. In reality, the DNA speaks for itself, its fucking human.[/QUOTE] Morally it might be bad but for practicality abortion is the right thing to do. and are sperms have humans?

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;26918293]Morally it might be bad but for practicality abortion is the right thing to do. and are sperms have humans?[/QUOTE] No because they only have half the DNA necessary to create a person.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;26918232]Many would disagree and say that as soon as the child has grown to the point it has a functioning brain it cannot be aborted. Most western countries follow this.[/QUOTE] Many would, but sentience isn't measurable and therefore is a horrible place to draw the line for legislation. Birth is measurable. Also, the rights of the women trump your morality.

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;26918293]Morally it might be bad but for practicality abortion is the right thing to do. and are sperms have humans?[/QUOTE] I'm not talking about the two halves that make the damn whole. You're trying to make a loop hole to avoid the entire idea all together.

Roe v Wade set the standards pretty clearly. A woman has the right to privacy and because of that total freedom over the first trimester that's it.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;26918336]Many would, but sentience isn't measurable and therefore is a horrible place to draw the line for legislation. Birth is measurable.[/QUOTE] Brain=thoughts, how hard is that?

[QUOTE=Zeke129;26918336]Many would, but sentience isn't measurable and therefore is a horrible place to draw the line for legislation. Birth is measurable.[/QUOTE] I'd say a functioning brain is perfectly measurable point.

[QUOTE=Swilly;26918342]I'm not talking about the two halves that make the damn whole. You're trying to make a loop hole to avoid the entire idea all together.[/QUOTE] No im not im just asking a question.

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;26918373]No im not im just asking a question.[/QUOTE] The no, because its only half. You don't call mac and cheese when all you have is macaroni. You need the damn cheese too.

[QUOTE=Swilly;26918363]Brain=thoughts, how hard is that?[/QUOTE] Brain doesn't always equal sentience though.

[QUOTE=Swilly;26918363]Brain=thoughts, how hard is that?[/QUOTE] Many creators have brains. a childs brain and an adults brain is different. [editline]23rd December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeke129;26918393]Brain doesn't always equal sentience though.[/QUOTE] sentience isnt a black and white thing

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;26918366]I'd say a functioning brain is perfectly measurable point.[/QUOTE] Lots of people say that yet they don't support pulling the plug on someone who is braindead. What's your view on that subject?

[QUOTE=Zeke129;26918393]Brain doesn't always equal sentience though.[/QUOTE] It's how most laws concerning abortion are formed and I personally agree.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;26918393]Brain doesn't always equal sentience though.[/QUOTE] Its fucking easier then saying you can't measure sentience. Especially when its a fucking human whom become sentient.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;26918414]Lots of people say that yet they don't support pulling the plug on someone who is braindead. What's your view on that subject?[/QUOTE] My view is rather conflicted, but I don't feel like going into my personal view on it so I'm going to stick with legalities.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;26918414]Lots of people say that yet they don't support pulling the plug on someone who is braindead. What's your view on that subject?[/QUOTE] That's different, those who are brain dead cannot come fucking back. A baby is going into sentience. They're opposite directions! Look I don't care about abortion but this bullshit "its a woman's right to choose" is just hiding the fact that in the end, you're ending a human life. A fetus leads to a human, it has the DNA, it has the blueprints, its shaping itself into a child. Saying that its not human is just insulting the entire birthing process.

[QUOTE=Swilly;26918478]That's different, those who are brain dead cannot come fucking back. A baby is going into sentience. They're opposite directions![/QUOTE] You're using potential again. Don't use potential. [editline]23rd December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=carcarcargo;26918429]It's how most laws concerning abortion are formed and I personally agree.[/QUOTE] Well in my opinion, the rights of the woman to have control over her body trumps all else. We'll need to agree to disagree.

[QUOTE=Swilly;26918478]That's different, those who are brain dead cannot come fucking back. A baby is going into sentience. They're opposite directions![/QUOTE] If your going to use potential then protection is murder.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;26918500]You're using potential again. Don't use potential. [editline]23rd December 2010[/editline] Well in my opinion, the rights of the woman to have control over her body trumps all else. We'll need to agree to disagree.[/QUOTE] But technically the child is not her body, only inside it. It's like putting your new born child outside and leaving it to freeze to death because you feel you should have control over who lives in your house.