Tropes vs Women in Video Games - Damsel in Distress: Part 2 - General

[QUOTE=minilandstan;40824782]So I'm just gonna ask a totally unrelated question, but when did facepunch actually start liking her? Back when she made her kickstarter, you'd be nearly banned for saying you agreed with her. Now...[I]this[/I].[/QUOTE] i think (or hope) those people think they will get banned for flaming these days and don't come into these threads any more. [editline]29th May 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=gokiyono;40824809] Also, why does she have comments disabled?[/QUOTE] do you really need to ask why? [editline]29th May 2013[/editline] just like with early MLP vids when anita was first around you could basically call her a cunt and get away with murder whereas now things seem to have turned around

[QUOTE=Vedicardi;40824856] just like with early MLP vids when anita was first around you could basically call her a cunt and get away with murder whereas now things seem to have turned around[/QUOTE] Well, FP is a group of individuals of mixed opinions. Besides, I think a lot of people just don't bother going into these threads because her videos is no longer a new thing to rage about and because they know from the last thread they won't get showered in agrees.

[QUOTE=Vedicardi;40824856]do you really need to ask why?[/QUOTE] Yes. [QUOTE=Valnar;40824835]Also she disabled comments because these videos are probably meant to be a sort of record, and the youtube comments would have just been nothing but a mess.[/QUOTE] A mess? In what way? (Well, other than the unorganized layout.) To me it just seems like a bit of a cowardly move to not allow people to debate something at the place it exists. (I hope you get the point, I am not entirely sure about my wording.)

[QUOTE=gokiyono;40825459] A mess? In what way? (Well, other than the unorganized layout.) To me it just seems like a bit of a cowardly move to not allow people to debate something at the place it exists. (I hope you get the point, I am not entirely sure about my wording.)[/QUOTE] I guess she had enough of the "go get raped"-type responses. I can understand that, because there really is no such thing as civilized debate on youtube. The relevant discussions will just take place elsewhere, anyway. [editline]29th May 2013[/editline] Pretty much this: [IMG]http://cdn.themis-media.com/media/global/images/library/deriv/472/472870.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=gokiyono;40825459]Yes. A mess? In what way? (Well, other than the unorganized layout.) To me it just seems like a bit of a cowardly move to not allow people to debate something at the place it exists. (I hope you get the point, I am not entirely sure about my wording.)[/QUOTE] "Debate" It's like you've never read a Youtube comment in your life. If they were open every fedora on reddit would be scrambling over each other to call her a ugly dumb cunt and that would be the extent of the debate. I mean, I guess them doing that would prove her point, in a way, more than anything else, but maybe she just doesn't want to deal with hordes of insecure teenage men.

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;40825583]"Debate" It's like you've never read a Youtube comment in your life. If they were open every idiot would be scrambling over each other to call her a ugly dumb cunt and that would be the extent of the debate. I mean, I guess them doing that would prove her point, in a way, more than anything else, but maybe she just doesn't want to deal with hordes of insecure teenage men.[/QUOTE] I have seen a few [URL="http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoqrrqThUv3NtAeMzzAlIkwbaKSOogKui"]dumb[/URL] youtube comments. I get your point, but I also know there are [SUB][SUB][SUB][SUB]few[/SUB][/SUB][/SUB][/SUB] people who won't. [editline]29th May 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Im Crimson;40825559]I guess she had enough of the "go get raped"-type responses. I can understand that, because there really is no such thing as civilized debate on youtube. The relevant discussions will just take place elsewhere, anyway. [editline]29th May 2013[/editline] Pretty much this: [/QUOTE] Understandable-ish.

[QUOTE=gokiyono;40825624]I have seen a few [URL="http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoqrrqThUv3NtAeMzzAlIkwbaKSOogKui"]dumb[/URL] youtube comments. I get your point, but I also know there are [SUB][SUB][SUB][SUB]few[/SUB][/SUB][/SUB][/SUB] people who won't.[/QUOTE] I guess, but any possible debate would just be lost in the sea of putrid hate that oozes from the internet, reddit in particular.

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;40825629]I guess, but any possible debate would just be lost in the sea of putrid hate that oozes from the internet.[/QUOTE] Thanks to Youtube's shit layout. That is why I am happy for the reply button, it makes it possible to see back in conversation.

Don't see why this is getting rated dumb, she's pretty much right.

[QUOTE=gokiyono;40825642]Thanks to Youtube's shit layout. That is why I am happy for the reply button, it makes it possible to see back in conversation.[/QUOTE] The layout is pretty much the main reason I like Facepunch so much. Reddit and Youtube and wherever else have such horrid layouts I just can't be arsed to deal with it

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;40825698]The layout is pretty much the main reason I like Facepunch so much. Reddit and Youtube and wherever else have such horrid layouts I just can't be arsed to deal with it[/QUOTE] I take Reddit over Youtube. On Reddit all replies and replies of replies will be under each other. I really love that. 4chan also has a good comment system. I love the ability to browse replies from the original post too. Youtube should have to choose one of those.

"Oh so dark and edgy twist" The game is called Darkness for fucks sake what did you expect ? [editline]29th May 2013[/editline] I also expect nothing but eloquence and clever writing from GTA 3 and Duke Nukem.

[QUOTE=Shadaez;40824142]well it has a spoiler warning on it for a reason[/QUOTE] Care to point it out, because I just rewatched up until the spoiler that I witnessed and there wasn't a single spoiler warning.

[QUOTE=Dalto11;40825864]Care to point it out, because I just rewatched up until the spoiler that I witnessed and there wasn't a single spoiler warning.[/QUOTE] There is an annotation at the beginning. [editline]29th May 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=carcarcargo;40825665]Don't see why this is getting rated dumb, she's pretty much right.[/QUOTE] It's pretty much getting paied for stating the obvious. Paid 160000 $ to be more precise.

A spoiler warning in annotation is sort of useless. A lot of people, myself included, watch with annotations turned off.

[QUOTE=Rex McCoolguy;40825883]There is an annotation at the beginning. [editline]29th May 2013[/editline] It's pretty much getting paied for stating the obvious. Paid 160000 $ to be more precise.[/QUOTE] I knew it existed, but when she went through all the different games that involve women begging to be killed, I genuinely found it quite disturbing how many games use it.

There, watched it all. It was quite... boring and not much was said actually. (how much was she paid for this?) With all that shit going around about her, it's quite mild as far as feminism goes. I did find out the word "trigger warning" triggers me a little.

Hey, look people encroaching their real life morals into escapism. Good fun..................

[QUOTE=moop900;40826443]Hey, look people encroaching their real life morals into escapism. Good fun..................[/QUOTE] So your ~escapism~ is straight into misogynistic power fantasies? [img]http://www.biography.com/imported/images/Biography/Images/Profiles/F/Sigmund-Freud-9302400-1-402.jpg[/img] tell me more about your mother and fathers relationship

[QUOTE=NoDachi;40826484]So your ~escapism~ is straight into misogynistic power fantasies? [IMG]http://www.biography.com/imported/images/Biography/Images/Profiles/F/Sigmund-Freud-9302400-1-402.jpg[/IMG] tell me more about your mother and fathers relationship[/QUOTE] It was shit Doc, and I never knew Ice wind dale was a "misogynistic power fantasies" But hey, I am sure you will tell me why.

In the end: Who is this woman to tell a whole art direction how to write their stories? Games are art, writing is art, and both will never be politically correct.

Fiction represents the society, so you cannot change the society by changing fiction. Pointing out social injustices in fiction doesn't fix anything. It's only telling her supporters what they want to hear.

[QUOTE=BloodYScar;40826808]In the end: Who is this woman to tell a whole art direction how to write their stories? Games are art, writing is art, and both will never be politically correct.[/QUOTE] Just being art doesn't mean it can't be rubbish art. Using a damsell in distress is just lazy writing and it's pretty sexist.

Still. Honestly, at the end of the day, nothing will change. Society won't be changed by videogames and videogames won't be changed by this series.

[QUOTE=Rex McCoolguy;40827230]Still. Honestly, at the end of the day, nothing will change. Society won't be changed by videogames and videogames won't be changed by this series.[/QUOTE] media isn't created in a vacuum

With her donations, I wonder what she's actually spending the money on.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;40827468]With her donations, I wonder what she's actually spending the money on.[/QUOTE] the documentary

[QUOTE=Dori;40827485]the documentary[/QUOTE] Doesn't seem like a good ratio of credit to critical analysis.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;40827498]Doesn't seem like a good ratio of credit to critical analysis.[/QUOTE] you win some you lose some

[QUOTE=Talishmar;40826884]Fiction represents the society, so you cannot change the society by changing fiction. Pointing out social injustices in fiction doesn't fix anything. It's only telling her supporters what they want to hear.[/QUOTE] Okay thats it guys. Someone go tell academia to close down the entire field of Criticism. Thank you for enlightening us.