Tropes vs Women in Video Games - Damsel in Distress: Part 2 - General

[QUOTE=JustGman;40819798]Except he wasn't talking about how much money she got?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;40819269]for 170k the videos should have come sooner and with higher quality than this this is fraud at best[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;40819743]and dishonored sold 400k units[/QUOTE] incomparable, they provide two entirely different services

[QUOTE=Shadaez;40819813][QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;40819269]for 170k the videos should have come sooner and with higher quality than this this is fraud at best[/QUOTE] [/QUOTE] Which is completely unrelated to your quote where he was talking about the general market buying games with poorly written female characters.

[QUOTE=Ownederd;40819752]this literally means more or less nothing[/QUOTE] You don't like games that have females with shitty roles or whatever? Don't rant about them and go find yourself a game that with females in good and relevant roles. WHY would you look to judge how females are portraited in fucking gears of war or resident evil. Gears of war isn't amazing story telling but it's killing aliens with fucking chainsaws.I am gonna drop this but in my opinion this is the most stupid rant I have ever seen. She should play some psychotoxic or no one lives forever so she should feel better about herself. Edit: Solution is easy to all of her "rants" Want to fuck shit up and kill people? Play some of the big titles THAT FOCUS on gameplay mechanics or advanced graphics and such. Want a game with well written females characters? Well then look for them. I mentioned 2 titles and there are tons.

Really good video

[QUOTE=JustGman;40819835]Which is completely unrelated to your quote where he was talking about the general market buying games with poorly written female characters.[/QUOTE] he whines about how this evil manipulating fraudster stole 160k, but when people purchase games with tropes against women in them it's just the Free Market doing what it does.

[QUOTE=Shadaez;40819885]he whines about how this evil manipulating fraudster stole 160k, but when people purchase games with tropes against women in them it's just the Free Market doing what it does.[/QUOTE] it's only the free market when it results in something i like

[QUOTE=zizzleplix;40819080]Where did she say/imply this in the video? (Not insulting just curious). But I heard a rumor by some that people have addressed concerns like this on her facebook but the user gets blocked and the comment removed.[/QUOTE] She started talking about it at 13:42

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;40819940]it's only the free market when it results in something i like[/QUOTE] well I appreciate the sense of humor about it

[QUOTE=Sub-Zero;40819718]Because people who want to be alone in a space ship while being hunted by aliens or people who want to nazis who have super technology lets say for example don't a fuck. There are games with good female characters so there is no point for her to rant. She just talks about big titles.[/QUOTE] She talks about several indie games and games with good female characters. Did you watch the whole video?

[QUOTE=JustGman;40819835]Which is completely unrelated to your quote where he was talking about the general market buying games with poorly written female characters.[/QUOTE] his response makes perfect sense. "free market wants these characters don't complain" "free market wants these videos don't complain" how does that not make sense?

remember guys if your girlfriend is kidnapped you shouldn't save her because it's misogynist :v:

[QUOTE=Dr. Gestapo;40818193]Are you for real? No, I don't, because they are real people who I've known my entire life, while video game characters need to be introduced, given motivations, traits, etc. A character with none of the above simply isn't a character, it's a cheap plot device that's used when the writer is too lazy to come up with an interesting character for the player to care about.[/QUOTE] That's your opinion. The requirements to care for a character are unique to the player. Your standards are too high and due to this you won't enjoy games. Unfortunately due to costs and creation time, It would make games more expensive than they are already to give every single character the kind of back story and development you're asking for. Yes, there are some games which have managed to pull such a thing off. They are brilliant but will suffer from players possibly rejecting the characters or story. Why don't you go write games before calling other writers lazy? It's not for us to judge them without knowing what it's like. [QUOTE=Juniez;40818200]why can't she save herself?[/QUOTE] Can you save yourself from being kidnapped? It's something rare which is normally only possible due to freak accident, help from outside or incompetence of the captors. Both male and females in gaming have done it, it's just a rare occurrence.

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;40819940]it's only the free market when it results in something i like[/QUOTE] rofl they are both results of the free market if it justifies bad characters it justifies these videos as well apparently

[QUOTE=Psycho9182;40820015]remember guys if your girlfriend is kidnapped you shouldn't save her because it's misogynist :v:[/QUOTE] said no one ever [editline]ifd[/editline] [QUOTE=entertainer89;40820022]That's your opinion. The requirements to care for a character are unique to the player. Your standards are too high and due to this you won't enjoy games. Unfortunately due to costs and creation time, It would make games more expensive than they are already to give every single character the kind of back story and development you're asking for. Yes, there are some games which have managed to pull such a thing off. They are brilliant but will suffer from players possibly rejecting the characters or story. Why don't you go write games before calling other writers lazy? It's not for us to judge them without knowing what it's like. Can you save yourself from being kidnapped? It's something rare which is normally only possible due to freak accident, help from outside or incompetence of the captors. Both male and females in gaming have done it, it's just a rare occurrence.[/QUOTE] Yeah, that's cool and all but doesn't matter at all. The criticism here is not that the writing itself is bad, it's that writing is bad [I]and[/I] reinforces erroneous gender roles on men and women. Also, you don't have to be a writer to know bad writing. But for what it's worth I know what it's like because I am one. Besides, asking decent writing for the character that the player starts his quest for (thus making it a MAIN CHARACTER) is asking too much? You're off your meds.

[QUOTE=Psycho9182;40820015]remember guys if your girlfriend is kidnapped you shouldn't save her because it's misogynist :v:[/QUOTE] because reality and a video game with a script written by humans are exactly the same

[QUOTE=entertainer89;40820022]That's your opinion. The requirements to care for a character are unique to the player. Your standards are too high and due to this you won't enjoy games. Unfortunately due to costs and creation time, It would make games more expensive than they are already to give every single character the kind of back story and development you're asking for. Yes, there are some games which have managed to pull such a thing off. They are brilliant but will suffer from players possibly rejecting the characters or story. [B]Why don't you go write games before calling other writers lazy? [/B]It's not for us to judge them without knowing what it's like. Can you save yourself from being kidnapped? It's something rare which is normally only possible due to freak accident, help from outside or incompetence of the captors. Both male and females in gaming have done it, it's just a rare occurrence.[/QUOTE] you don't have to be a chef to know that a overcooked hamburger tastes dried-out and terrible

[QUOTE=Psycho9182;40820015]remember guys if your girlfriend is kidnapped you shouldn't save her because it's misogynist :v:[/QUOTE] I don't even know how one could possibly miss a point this bad

[QUOTE=Ownederd;40820042]you don't have to be a chef to know that a overcooked hamburger tastes dried-out and terrible[/QUOTE] That analogy doesn't work in a lot of cases, including this one.

[QUOTE=Psycho9182;40820015]remember guys if your girlfriend is kidnapped you shouldn't save her because it's misogynist :v:[/QUOTE] You completly missed the point she was making. The critique wasn't about the context of the story, but the context of the story-makers.

[QUOTE=Psycho9182;40820015]remember guys if your girlfriend is kidnapped you shouldn't save her because it's misogynist :v:[/QUOTE] if your girlfriend is kidnapped what the fuck would you do youd sit by, call the police and hope to god shes okay and that the kidnappers would give her back safely if their demands are met some people on this forum actually think they live in a videogame i swear to god

[QUOTE=Eric95;40820072]That analogy doesn't work in a lot of cases, including this one.[/QUOTE] knowing and understanding literary tropes is one thing; actively writing and developing material is another

[QUOTE=entertainer89;40820022] Why don't you go write games before calling other writers lazy? It's not for us to judge them without knowing what it's like. [/QUOTE] Are you serious? There is an entire career devoted to criticizing entertainment. People get paid enough money to buy nice houses and fancy cars because to call other writers lazy.

[QUOTE=thisispain;40820086]if your girlfriend is kidnapped what the fuck would you do youd sit by, call the police and hope to god shes okay and that the kidnappers would give her back safely if their demands are met some people on this forum actually think they live in a videogame i swear to god[/QUOTE] That wouldn't be a very interesting game [QUOTE=Ownederd;40820101]knowing and understanding literary tropes is one thing; actively writing and developing material is another[/QUOTE] Yes, but people need to understand video game aren't literature. Tropes work differently, because the story has to work with the gameplay,

Well, she continued doing what she surprised me with in her first video, namely to stay (relatively) neutral and to the point and not take a massive dump on the games. She's even courteous enough to point out that games featuring overused tropes aren't necessarily bad because of it, which is what my past me thought the video series was mostly going to be about. I can't say I'm ready to swallow quite all of her points but I found most of it interesting at least, especially the thing about the domestic violence implications. And I fully agree that games need better character writing.

[QUOTE=Eric95;40820128]That wouldn't be a very interesting game[/QUOTE] You can make games interesting without using old, discredited and sexist tropes. Also, most game reviewers aren't developers themselves, does that mean they aren't allowed to criticize games?

yeah but thats why we shouldnt compare reality to videogames when it comes to motivations and what characters do if my girlfriend got kidnapped by a big green lizard, taking mushrooms would not help me get her back

[QUOTE=Dr. Gestapo;40820026]said no one ever [editline]ifd[/editline] Yeah, that's cool and all but doesn't matter at all. The criticism here is not that the writing itself is bad, it's that writing is bad [I]and[/I] reinforces erroneous gender roles on men and women. Also, you don't have to be a writer to know bad writing. But for what it's worth I know what it's like because I am one.[/QUOTE] It doesn't reinforce anything. I put it to you that your standards for a character are too high. You can't place every character on a pedestal. Some characters have to die, others need to be kidnapped. We've seen both genders suffer these fates. There have been both male and female leads. Not all characters can be strong and independent. This is true for males and females again. If you choose to look at every example of a weak female and shout " I bet men did this " !!! Then I'm afraid you should probably stop playing video games as it must be an awful experience for you. Meanwhile, I'm enjoying my games. Some stories are pretty good, while others suck. I don't play the ones I don't like and that's just fine. As I've said before and will say again, if the industry offends you so, write your own games. Don't force your ideals on me. That's just plain hypocrisy. Now let's watch as you brush it off with " b.b..but muh female gender roles " etc What a ridiculous circle jerk The time and money spent fighting the " misogynist gaming industry " could have been used to make a "feminist friendly gaming dev community " So much for Being the change you want to see in the world. /rant

why do you care you came into this thread well knowing what it was about, whats the point slagging everyone off and getting buttfrustrated because people find an interest in the issue

[QUOTE=entertainer89;40820189]text So much for Being the change you want to see in the world. /rant[/QUOTE] oh boy, where to start with this