Artist Lars Vilks gets attacked for showing 'pornographic' video during lecture

[Tudd Fudders]

[QUOTE=berryman13;22036599]God, I hate religion.

:irony:

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The key word is extremists.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, but atleast they don't physically hurt people. They actually do a good job obeying the law while the fellows in the video think they run Sweden.

[emPiRe14]

[QUOTE=xxncxx;22029049]You don't see Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, etc. doing this do you.

Point proven.[/QUOTE]
Dork sided!
[QUOTE=Tudd Fudders;22036686]Yeah, but atleast they don't physically hurt people. They actually do a good job obeying the law while the fellows in the video think they run Sweden.[/QUOTE]
Ya going to a soldiers funeral and harassing the guys friends and family is perfectly fine.

[E104 Epsilon]

Religious extremists :geno:

[AmherstOren]

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;22017855]They didn't take anyone, they chose to be there.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for applying meaning to something insignificant. I can already tell this will be an enlightening post.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;22017855]No I didn't wonder. They are following Lars for protection since he drew that dog.[/quote]
Does that tell you anything? He obviously enjoys pissing people off for "FREEDOM OF SPEECH".

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;22017855]What the FUCK are you talking about there? Was the vid saying muslims are gay?[/quote]
How should I word this...YES, it was. Islamic images, then suddenly "I'm ganna take you to a gay bar"? They combined both images of gays and Middle Eastern structures and people. Considering this is where the people originate, they obviously took offense.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;22017855]I wouldn't launch at the person. I would start with verbal communication. And again. Vid was about something else.[/quote]
That's debatable. You see, you're answering to prove your point. Reality may not prove your point, so your word means little. Lets just say, a lot of people WOULD get violent toward being insulted in such a way.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;22017855]Who insulted who in the vid? What are you talking about?[/quote]
Did you fucking watch the video? LOOK AT HIS PRESENTATION. Its fucking obvious that he was taking a risk with it.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;22017855]A song "gay bar", images of bare chested men, men kissing. I didn't see Muhammad fucking a pig or something like this.[/quote]
Did you even look at the damn presentation? Fuck's sake man, listen to the music at the beginning. That isn't part of the "gay bar" song, its fucking Arabian music.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;22017855]No they didn't find it offensive. Because it wasn't there.
They took it offensive because it was PORN for them.
They started shouting "it's porn" the moment they saw a pic of 2 men kissing.[/quote]
Then why were they chanting "Muhammad"? I honestly don't think if they were offended simply by the images, they wouldn't be chanting the name of their prophet. Its like an animal rights activist chanting "JESUS JESUS JESUS" when shown animal abuse.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;22017855]Oh so if I make a religion and say that we should behead everyone who insult us and just do it, it would be ok?
Still noone insulted them in the vid.[/quote]
Are you fucking stupid? Have you ever LOOKED at the Qu'ran? Unnecessary violence is a fucking sin to them. And let me tell you: Islam is one of the oldest main stream religions in the world. Its been here for a LOOOONG time, and the world hasn't collapsed yet. Christianity and their god damn Crusades caused much more violence then the Islamic people. Christianity suppressed the advancement of technology and understanding (IE: Astronomers being burnt alive for trying to change Christian belief), while Islam embraced it.

TL;DR version: You don't know what the fuck you're talking about, like the others idiots spouting about how violent Islam is.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;22017855]Do what? Make a lecture about free speech? No one forced them to be there or EVEN TO STAY.
Are you a moron? Yes.[/quote]
Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black? And once again: Did you even TRY to look at his presentation? Because if you didn't see the relation to Arabian culture/Islam he was making, you are a fucking idiot.

[QUOTE=Savaril;22018216]Yeah, but the guy is intoxicated. He isn't thinking clearly. Normal people who are not under the influence of drugs should not lash out like that.[/quote]
Ya, go out in public and insult someone. Just try. See how it goes.

[QUOTE=Savaril;22018216]Elaborate. How does my logic imply that the world is nothing but violet radicals?[/quote]
Because you are labeling this reaction as something significant. Again, I point to what I said above: You claim that you wouldn't act that way, because it will suit your argument. In reality, a great deal of people WOULD get violent, or at least harass their harasser verbally. It isn't exclusive to the Islamic religion.

[QUOTE=Savaril;22018216]Furthermore, insulting people shouldn't be against the law. If you disagree, you're against free speech or you [B]completely miss the point of it[/B].[/quote]
Did I say that it should be against the law? I'm simply saying this video isn't all that surprising, or unique to Islam. By antagonizing people, you are risking your own health, no matter what religion or nationality they are.

[QUOTE=Savaril;22018216]It showed a few pictures of semi-nude men with a song thrown over it. It didn't directly insult Islam at all, and it really wasn't implying anything- I really think it was just the intro to his presentation. If they were offended, they should have left. They shouldn't have attacked the guy like that. You're a fucking idiot.[/quote]
Again, pot calling the kettle black...And no, it didn't insult Islam directly, but I can surely understand why these people assumed it did. He just so happens to have an Arabian style intro, when presenting in front of a 95% Middle Eastern audience? What the FUCK?

And again, I'm not saying their actions are sound. They aren't. But people in this topic act like its exclusive to Islam. Generalization is my problem, and you are fucking stupid if you classify an entire culture based on the actions of a small percentage.

[QUOTE=Savaril;22018216]The reason they were offended was because in their mind, it was porn. It did not call Islam gay, and that's definitely not the reason they were offended. Did you even watch the video?[/quote]
Its simply how you interpreted it. Again, if it was unrelated to their culture, why were they shouting the name of their prophet? Why were many of the images related to said culture? Why was the intro music that way as well? I think YOU'RE missing the point.

And lets just say I'm completely wrong about what they're being offended about. So what? Talk about homosexuality to Christians. Its the same shit, if they are extremists.

TL;DR version of this entire post: This is not new. This is not unique to Islam. People need to stop the "Hur dur lets kill all Muslims" bullshit.

[Silly Sil]

[QUOTE=DTkach;22037343]Thanks for applying meaning to something insignificant. I can already tell this will be an enlightening post.
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What is insignificant you moron? You said he took these people there to watch it. Nobody made these people to be in this room. Nobody invited them. THEY CHOSE TO BE THERE. Get it? This wasn't made for them only.
[QUOTE=DTkach;22037343]
Does that tell you anything? He obviously enjoys pissing people off for "FREEDOM OF SPEECH".
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What? He pissed them off. Now he needs protection. How is this enjoying pissing people off?
[QUOTE=DTkach;22037343]
How should I word this...YES, it was. Islamic images, then suddenly "I'm ganna take you to a gay bar"? They combined both images of gays and Middle Eastern structures and people. Considering this is where the people originate, they obviously took offense.
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What did they yell? Do you know? They took offense because it was porn for them.
[QUOTE=DTkach;22037343]
That's debatable. You see, you're answering to prove your point. Reality may not prove your point, so your word means little. Lets just say, a lot of people WOULD get violent toward being insulted in such a way.
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If I would be disgusted by something I see I would walk away. They were disgusted by porn, they should walk away instead of attacking him.
[QUOTE=DTkach;22037343]
Did you fucking watch the video? LOOK AT HIS PRESENTATION. Its fucking obvious that he was taking a risk with it.

Did you even look at the damn presentation? Fuck's sake man, listen to the music at the beginning. That isn't part of the "gay bar" song, its fucking Arabian music.
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Again: They took offense because it was porn for them. That's what they were shouting you can't deny it. For the sake of debate about their behavior it doesn't matter if the vid was insulting Islam, because it's not why they took offense.
[QUOTE=DTkach;22037343]
Then why were they chanting "Muhammad"? I honestly don't think if they were offended simply by the images, they wouldn't be chanting the name of their prophet. Its like an animal rights activist chanting "JESUS JESUS JESUS" when shown animal abuse.
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People were opposing them. They started shouting to prove their point. Like it was a valid argument. I've seen christians do it to when opposed. That's how close minded people argue.
[QUOTE=DTkach;22037343]
Are you fucking stupid? Have you ever LOOKED at the Qu'ran? Unnecessary violence is a fucking sin to them. And let me tell you: Islam is one of the oldest main stream religions in the world. Its been here for a LOOOONG time, and the world hasn't collapsed yet. Christianity and their god damn Crusades caused much more violence then the Islamic people. Christianity suppressed the advancement of technology and understanding (IE: Astronomers being burnt alive for trying to change Christian belief), while Islam embraced it.

TL;DR version: You don't know what the fuck you're talking about, like the others idiots spouting about how violent Islam is.
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Oh I'm sorry. They don't behead people and stone them to death then. All this terrorist shit is made up by US government. My bad.

Also about the crusades. Religion suppressed the advancement of technology and understanding. Yes. The same is happening now. Just not everywhere.
[QUOTE=DTkach;22037343]
Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black? And once again: Did you even TRY to look at his presentation? Because if you didn't see the relation to Arabian culture/Islam he was making, you are a fucking idiot.
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For the last time. They took offense because it was porn for them. Can't you connect the dots?
They started shouting "it's porn" when they saw the pic of 2 men kissing. Get it?
They would still attack him even if there was nothing but puppies and kittens at the beginning and then these 2 men kissing. When they were arguing they said they did it because someone was going to throw up. Not because it was insulting Islam.

You're living in a different dimension. You make a claim and bend reality to make it fit.

[Zenreon]

There is only one way to settle this:

[img]http://www.paraben-sticks.com/images/porn-finder.gif[/img]

[SA Spyder]

[QUOTE=yuki;21961059]God I hate religion.[/QUOTE]

Don't generalize. Not all religions are this fucking dumb and close-minded.

[Purplevain]

These idiots need to get in their heads they cant walk around handing out death treats to anyone that displeases them.

[Silly]

What really happened:
Muslims attended Lars' lecture by their own free will. He played a vid which shows pictures of Arabian culture and (I think American, but may be wrong) anti-gay protest mixed with images of bare chested men and men kissing. The moment the muslims saw the men kissing they started shouting "It's porn" and stopped the video using violence, because they found it so disgusting that one man almost threw up.

What DTkach thinks that happened:
Lars invited muslims to his lecture. He played a vid which was made to insult Islam by connecting it to homosexuality. Muslims took offense because the vid was insulting Islam and attacked him.

I'm guessing many people would understand their behavior if they would take offense because of insulting the Islam. Instead they got offended because of some bullshit reason. And that's why everyone here is against them.

I would be on their side if they would take offense because vid was insulting them. I wouldn't approve the violence, but I would understand.

[dangles_alot]

It's just their way of life, sure Christianity was no better 100-30 years ago.

[Jimmymi]

I love how the translator actually translates the immigrants poor swedish.

[Keyblockor]

[QUOTE=scorpinat;21965419][IMG]http://facthai.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/mohammed_dog6_3-gif.jpeg[/IMG]

Ha awesome[/QUOTE]

Not to be racist or stereotypical, but I don't see any difference of the Muslims and Muhammad.

[Stunted]

What a bunch of morons jesus christ.

[Docc]

Fucking hell, what gives them the right to attack him for showing a video? You don't like it, get out.

[CasualJoe]

People hate them because they are loud, and can apperantly do everything if its in the name of Allah.

[Kirrimir]

Fucking extremist bastards, what part exactly of that video was pornographic? None. fucking makes me rage so much, it's no wonder that the whole world hates muslims.

[dangles_alot]

[QUOTE=Kirrimir;22041241]Fucking extremist bastards, what part exactly of that video was pornographic? None. fucking makes me rage so much, it's no wonder that the whole world hates muslims.[/QUOTE]

Dude that's quite extreme, its just their way of life, allow their religion to develop eventually it will be more modern besides I've a few Muslim friends and they are some of the nicest people i know

[Kirrimir]

[QUOTE=dangles_alot;22041551]Dude that's quite extreme, its just their way of life, allow their religion to develop eventually it will be more modern besides I've a few Muslim friends and they are some of the nicest people i know[/QUOTE]

So? Clearly every muslim in that room was a faggot. 'MUHAMMAD'

[punkrjp]

why isn't there a laughing like hell emote? :rolleyes:

[lemonlimecom]

This is disgusting.

[heavy artillery]

fucking idiots

[Zenreon]

[QUOTE=Silly;22038918]What really happened:
Muslims attended Lars' lecture by their own free will. He played a vid which shows pictures of Arabian culture and (I think American, but may be wrong) anti-gay protest mixed with images of bare chested men and men kissing. The moment the muslims saw the men kissing they started shouting "It's porn" and stopped the video using violence, because they found it so disgusting that one man almost threw up.

What DTkach thinks that happened:
Lars invited muslims to his lecture. He played a vid which was made to insult Islam by connecting it to homosexuality. Muslims took offense because the vid was insulting Islam and attacked him.

I'm guessing many people would understand their behavior if they would take offense because of insulting the Islam. Instead they got offended because of some bullshit reason. And that's why everyone here is against them.

I would be on their side if they would take offense because vid was insulting them. I wouldn't approve the violence, but I would understand.[/QUOTE]

There is so much shit out there making fun of other religions, muslims are the only ones to get their panties in such a tight knot.

[hypern]

Some of the Muslims there overreacted to the video because they thought this was a delibarate attack on their religion and the link of homosexuality to Islam. There is a lot of homophobic views within most of the main world's relgions, this is potrayed with a lot of negatvity for the fact that being homosexual is seen as being lustful and only caring about one's self rather then putting your needs to the background for the group. This coupled with the images shown would cause extreme emotions within the muslim auidence.

As for the content of the lecture, I have not seen the whole lecture through so I can't comment on what relation this has to the video shown. If I just focus on the reactions to the video, I can see why there are some that see this video who would assume that the muslims there acted very distatefully but as you may understand having a strawman or living bogey unites people toghether.

Going into detail ideas have been formed from stories and ideas, then turning that into a message designed for a target auidence, this idea then can be used of other purposes and then you can if you want to use a living example like a teacher or a leader to amplifly those ideas. This is how religion spread and this is why many people want it because it has something that appeals to their lives and makes them feel like a cohesive group.

Now what happens if that group is challened by another idea which suggests that is wrong, firsty is will be ingored but if it persists then it will be attacked and then reasoned against. If the attacking idea has some values which are compatiable with the current idea then some of it will be included inside the idea but only the ones that are accepted. You see as a religion matures, it will grow with knowledge and also intelligence but it will stay true to it's form. The idea will still be there but time does change it.

In some ways relgiion is different because of the way it reacts to time and attack, there will be time when it will change some of it's views while other times it will take a step back. Also if it's attacked then it will curl up and fire back. Relgion is always flowing and always changing yet the core values will remain but these reactions are because the auidence has not being exposed to this before and they have tradionally being within one mindset. The challange now is to see whether this will affect the religion of Islam or will it try to ignore it ?

Also can someone please be knid enough to respond to my post as I have found in earlier threads that sometimes debaters ingore background posts.

[AmherstOren]

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;22038028]What is insignificant you moron? You said he took these people there to watch it. Nobody made these people to be in this room. Nobody invited them. THEY CHOSE TO BE THERE. Get it? This wasn't made for them only.[/QUOTE]
You thought that me stating "he took" was significant. It wasn't. I didn't mean that he forced them to be there, it was just a way of saying that he was aware of what his audience believed in, yet took the risk anyway.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;22038028]What? He pissed them off. Now he needs protection. How is this enjoying pissing people off?[/quote]
Because he was anticipating a violent response? Hence why he needs protection? He knew what he was doing, so he shouldn't be surprised he was hurt.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;22038028]What did they yell? Do you know? They took offense because it was porn for them.[/quote]
I still believe there was a deeper meaning. They also were chanting "Muhammad", as I said. Explain that.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;22038028]If I would be disgusted by something I see I would walk away. They were disgusted by porn, they should walk away instead of attacking him.[/quote]
Not everyone is sensible. There are violent people in ALL cultures.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;22038028]Again: They took offense because it was porn for them. That's what they were shouting you can't deny it. For the sake of debate about their behavior it doesn't matter if the vid was insulting Islam, because it's not why they took offense.[/quote]
That may be why they would take offense, but I believe the ties it was making to their culture added fuel to the metaphorical fire.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;22038028]Oh I'm sorry. They don't behead people and stone them to death then. All this terrorist shit is made up by US government. My bad.[/quote]
And Christians didn't lynch anyone who isn't as white and Christian as them? That they don't surround the funeral of a dead soldier ranting about how he was a monster for serving his country?

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;22038028]Also about the crusades. Religion suppressed the advancement of technology and understanding. Yes. The same is happening now. Just not everywhere.[/quote]
Again, its not. Islam actually helped ADVANCE to this age of technology and understanding. You and people like you only see whats in front of you: The extremists. Do some actual god damn research, don't listen to these biased assholes.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;22038028]For the last time. They took offense because it was porn for them. Can't you connect the dots?
They started shouting "it's porn" when they saw the pic of 2 men kissing. Get it?
They would still attack him even if there was nothing but puppies and kittens at the beginning and then these 2 men kissing. When they were arguing they said they did it because someone was going to throw up. Not because it was insulting Islam.

You're living in a different dimension. You make a claim and bend reality to make it fit.[/quote]
Maybe I interpreted it differently. I didn't say their actions were reasonable, either way. As I said above, the insinuations the presentation was making probably made them even more violent.

If you want to call these idiots psychotic, go ahead. But don't fucking insult the religion.

[QUOTE=Silly;22038918]What really happened:
Muslims attended Lars' lecture by their own free will. He played a vid which shows pictures of Arabian culture and (I think American, but may be wrong) anti-gay protest mixed with images of bare chested men and men kissing. The moment the muslims saw the men kissing they started shouting "It's porn" and stopped the video using violence, because they found it so disgusting that one man almost threw up.

What DTkach thinks that happened:
Lars invited muslims to his lecture. He played a vid which was made to insult Islam by connecting it to homosexuality. Muslims took offense because the vid was insulting Islam and attacked him.

I'm guessing many people would understand their behavior if they would take offense because of insulting the Islam. Instead they got offended because of some bullshit reason. [b]And that's why everyone here is against them.[/b]

I would be on their side if they would take offense because vid was insulting them. I wouldn't approve the violence, but I would understand.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Kirrimir;22041241]Fucking extremist bastards, what part exactly of that video was pornographic? None. fucking makes me rage so much, it's no wonder that the whole world hates muslims.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JDB;21977962]When I heard alluh ackbur I thought the building was going to blow up but then I didnt see a car so it was safe[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Adius Shadow;21978996]I seriously just don't see any good with having muslims on this planet, or any other religion to be quite honest, this is just extreme though[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dj-J3;21980446]It offends me that muslims say it's their country when they're the fucking immigrants.

I'm gonna go burn their houses down now, because i have an excuse.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kiwi Bird;21986792]Islam used to be a nice, peaceful religion. Now they bomb schools, sodomize barbers for cutting people's beards, and now this. It's just pathetic.[/QUOTE]

Need I go on? A lot of people in this topic aren't saying how stupid these particular people are. They are being racist assholes and condemning the entire religion to being violent.

Remember DTkach's motto, kids: Generalization is bad.

[Silly Sil]

[QUOTE=DTkach;22046090]You thought that me stating "he took" was significant. It wasn't. I didn't mean that he forced them to be there, it was just a way of saying that he was aware of what his audience believed in, yet took the risk anyway.
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So what he should have done? Said "oh shit muslims :O errrr lecture canceled, see you tomorrow"? They chose to be there. They should have known better.
[QUOTE=DTkach;22046090]
Because he was anticipating a violent response? Hence why he needs protection? He knew what he was doing, so he shouldn't be surprised he was hurt.
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Hence why? Because he's getting death threats ever since that dog. The protection is always there. Not just for the lecture.
[QUOTE=DTkach;22046090]
I still believe there was a deeper meaning. They also were chanting "Muhammad", as I said. Explain that.
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I already did.
[QUOTE=DTkach;22046090]
Not everyone is sensible. There are violent people in ALL cultures.
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I'm not saying there aren't.
[QUOTE=DTkach;22046090]
That may be why they would take offense, but I believe the ties it was making to their culture added fuel to the metaphorical fire.
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Doesn't really seem like that for me. For me they just hated the porn. And then just defended their bullshit point.
[QUOTE=DTkach;22046090]
And Christians didn't lynch anyone who isn't as white and Christian as them? That they don't surround the funeral of a dead soldier ranting about how he was a monster for serving his country?
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Any religious freaks are bad. Still those who use bullets and bombs are worse than those who use insulting words.
[QUOTE=DTkach;22046090]
Again, its not. Islam actually helped ADVANCE to this age of technology and understanding. You and people like you only see whats in front of you: The extremists. Do some actual god damn research, don't listen to these biased assholes.[/QUOTE]
But I'm only talking about extremists. Dark ages were there because pretty much everyone was an extremist. Now there is alot of muslim extremists and they are causing havoc. Taking advantage of their rights and shitting on everyone else's. I'm not saying there aren't alot of extremists of other religions. But they aren't going as far as these.
[QUOTE=DTkach;22046090]
Maybe I interpreted it differently. I didn't say their actions were reasonable, either way. As I said above, the insinuations the presentation was making probably made them even more violent.
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Still they were offended by something that didn't exist. That was pretty dumb and close minded. They are giving bad example just causing more hatred toward Islam.
[QUOTE=DTkach;22046090]
If you want to call these idiots psychotic, go ahead. But don't fucking insult the religion.
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I'm not. Everyone can believe in what they want. They just shouldn't force whole world to their ways. And I'm talking about every religious people.
[QUOTE=DTkach;22046090]
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Attack one sentence, ignore the WHOLE FUCKING POINT.

[AmherstOren]

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;22047907]So what he should have done? Said "oh shit muslims :O errrr lecture canceled, see you tomorrow"? They chose to be there. They should have known better.[/QUOTE]
Do you know that? Do you know exactly how the presentations was advertised? Were people invited, or was it open to anyone? Provide a source, and I'll believe you.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;22047907]Hence why? Because he's getting death threats ever since that dog. The protection is always there. Not just for the lecture.[/quote]
And I'm saying that he is notorious for pissing people off. Its not surprising he was actually attacked.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;22047907]Doesn't really seem like that for me. For me they just hated the porn. And then just defended their bullshit point.[/quote]
Different interpretation, then.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;22047907]Any religious freaks are bad. Still those who use bullets and bombs are worse than those who use insulting words.[/quote]
Those that use insulting words would likely use bullets and bombs if they could.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;22047907]But I'm only talking about extremists. Dark ages were there because pretty much everyone was an extremist. Now there is alot of muslim extremists and they are causing havoc. Taking advantage of their rights and shitting on everyone else's. I'm not saying there aren't alot of extremists of other religions. But they aren't going as far as these.[/quote]
But saying Islam alone is responsible for it is fucking stupid. There are a lot of Muslim extremists, but that's because the religion is so large. There are psychopaths in every culture, some just use religion to 'justify' their genocide.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;22047907]I'm not. Everyone can believe in what they want. [b]They just shouldn't force whole world to their ways.[/b] And I'm talking about every religious people.[/quote]
Aaand that's exactly what I'm talking about. Muslims aren't fucking forcing their religion on people, only a small percent are. Again, you just bunch an entire culture under one belief because of the actions of one group.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;22047907]Attack one sentence, ignore the WHOLE FUCKING POINT.[/quote]
Uh, no? I understand what he said, but he also said that the people in this topic were ranting about how stupid the people were, and I proved otherwise. This topic is a fucking breeding ground for racist idiots trying to spread the idea of Islam being violent. I interpreted the video differently, but it doesn't change the racist comments a large number of people are making. That is more of a problem then the video itself.

[Silly Sil]

[QUOTE=DTkach;22048402]
Those that use insulting words would likely use bullets and bombs if they could.
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I'm not saying they are morally better. All extremists are bad. Just some are more dangerous than others.
[QUOTE=DTkach;22048402]
But saying Islam alone is responsible for it is fucking stupid. There are a lot of Muslim extremists, but that's because the religion is so large. There are psychopaths in every culture, some just use religion to 'justify' their genocide.[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying there aren't. But in here we're mainly talking about the people in the vid.
[QUOTE=DTkach;22048402]
Uh, no? I understand what he said, but he also said that the people in this topic were ranting about how stupid the people were, and I proved otherwise. This topic is a fucking breeding ground for racist idiots trying to spread the idea of Islam being violent. I interpreted the video differently, but it doesn't change the racist comments a large number of people are making. That is more of a problem then the video itself.[/QUOTE]
That's a very valid point. To an extent. The people commenting here aren't responsible for all the hatred. People alike those who we see in this vid are. THEY are the reason. If they haven't behave like that there wouldn't be comments like the ones you're talking about.
[QUOTE=DTkach;22048402][QUOTE=Silly Sil;22047907]
I'm not. Everyone can believe in what they want. [B]They just shouldn't force whole world to their ways.[/B] And I'm talking about every religious people.
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Aaand that's exactly what I'm talking about. Muslims aren't fucking forcing their religion on people, only a small percent are. Again, you just bunch an entire culture under one belief because of the actions of one group.
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There are so many wrong points in this paragraph...
1: The sentence you have bolded... look what's before and after it. I've clearly stated I'm talking about all religions, not only about muslims.
2: What you've said is contradictory. They aren't forcing anything, only a small group of them is? ... It's like saying "I'm not killing people, I've killed just a few." You can't do and don't do something at the same time. And yes they are forcing it. Also there isn't just a few of them as you've said before [quote=DTkach;22048402] There are a lot of Muslim extremists[/quote]
3, last but not least: YOU ARE THE ONE GENERALIZING!!!!!!!! I don't bunch shit. I'm only talking about the extremists. I can understand there are muslims who don't like that shit either. Can you understand that not everyone is against all muslims if he criticizes muslim extremists?

[CaptainSnake]

Excellent choice in music.

[cyanide101]

[QUOTE=CaptainSnake;22055691]Excellent choice in music.[/QUOTE]

I know. Gay bar is a political song too.

And this is tough to watch. Its horrible.

[AmherstOren]

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;22049060]There are so many wrong points in this paragraph...
1: The sentence you have bolded... look what's before and after it. I've clearly stated I'm talking about all religions, not only about muslims.[/QUOTE]
So? Islam is the subject of the argument, but it applies to all religions. You ARE generalizing, by just saying that these people (Insinuating the entire religions themselves, not specifics) are forcing their views on others.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;22049060]2: What you've said is contradictory. They aren't forcing anything, only a small group of them is? ... It's like saying "I'm not killing people, I've killed just a few." You can't do and don't do something at the same time. And yes they are forcing it. Also there isn't just a few of them as you've said before[/quote]
How the hell is that analogy like anything I said? I'm saying the majority, those who should rightfully represent the religion, aren't forcing it on anyone. Only a small amount are. And this is the case with a great many groups, not just religious ones.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;22049060]3, last but not least: YOU ARE THE ONE GENERALIZING!!!!!!!! I don't bunch shit. I'm only talking about the extremists. I can understand there are muslims who don't like that shit either. Can you understand that not everyone is against all muslims if he criticizes muslim extremists?[/quote]
First...no. Saying that in relation to the total number of Muslims, there is a sizable percentage that ARE extremists, is not generalizing. If I said, like many others in this thread have, that they were ALL extremists, that would be generalizing.

And second, what the fuck was the point of attacking my posts, then? This entire argument between us seems to be over a misunderstanding. The major problem I had with this thread were the people bullshitting about Islam, which really didn't include you until you started this shit. I apologize for any confusion I had with the video itself, but as I said, the subject of my rant was mainly the posters.