In high school, I think it's ethically incorrect but at least understandable. High school is coercive, you have to go through it. In college, on the other hand, I think it's very wrong (at least cheating to a certain extent is). You're very wrongly inflating your qualifications for something that could strongly affect others. You don't want an engineer who only made it through school by cheating designing your bridges.
The parenthetical remark is in reference to the fact that I don't think it's terribly evil to, once in a while, look up the answer to a problem you've been stuck on for some time. If your professor gave you a hint, for instance, but you have to look up the next step in a problem online because you just seem to be missing something, that's forgivable. It just shouldn't ever be relied on.
Incidentally, a lot of my coursework was in "Prove that x is true," style, so I knew the answer and can't really complain too much if someone wanted to look up the answers to their problems to check their homework. Really, the work is more important than the answer, so if you see that you got it wrong and it spurs you to go back, find a mistake, and fix it, I don't think that's terribly wrong either.
As a "certified gifted student" from the state of Florida, I say, yes.
Cheat all you want on your homework if it makes it simpler up to college.
Once you get to college, you might want to stop because you could get kicked out for that kind of thing.
don't cheat in college. in high school, honestly, i cheated like a motherfucker all throughout except on tests. only class i ever cheated on tests was in chemistry because we had an absolutely terrible teacher. took an intro to chemistry class in college and went through it legitimately, passed with an a.
It all depends on the teacher and relevance of the homework to the class.
People have stated here "cheating on your homework will fuck you over for the final exams" - except in some of my shittier 100/200 courses, the exam was just the homework reworded all at once. Cheating on it ensured I had the right answers to study for, for the final exam, with minimal effort.
If the class is handing you out those awful rehashed textbook questions of which you can find the answers for online, go for it. Understand why the answers are what they are, in case you have to explain yourself - but don't waste the ludicrous amount of time on needless busy work. Now if it's honest to goodness real homework as indicated by: teachers that seem to care, stuff you can't find online anywhere, extremely relevant to the lectures - then no, don't cheat. You will be hurting yourself severely as your only real outlets will be completely bullshitting it or copying other students (which is extremely obvious.)
College is all about time efficiency. If you know something, for certain, is just a fluffed up waste - try to cut through it as fast and accurate as possible, ethics be damned. If you have a real dedicated teacher handing you honest to goodness work that actually compounds upon your coursework and teaches you stuff, and not just regurgitating whatever textbook definitions you're handed, then do that actual homeworkwork and see it through.
Do your homework.
It's been set for a reason, and by cheating on it the only person you're cheating is yourself. The questions are going to pop up later in the exam, and you'll regret not spending the 30 mins or so a night doing it.
I never did my homework, and I'm practically retarded when it comes to maths.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;45637206]Yeah if I cheated on university homework I would be booted out of university and the $20,000 debt I've accumulated so far would have been all for nothing (if I simply wrote the answer and didn't do any working out, I'd fail that piece of homework, which is graded, because of not getting enough marks). Even if I was only suspended, the infringement would forever remain on my academic transcript for everyone to see. I work ~32 +/- 6 hours every week and study at 75% of the full-time study load. Someone like you who is probably in high school and probably doesn't have a job doesn't really have an excuse for not doing homework. Plus, even if you did know how to get the answer, practice makes perfect.[/QUOTE]
First, you don't know me. Don't make baseless assumptions on whether or not I have to do shit after school, because I do.
Second, more on-topic, he didn't specify if it was college or highschool. I fully agree that it's stupid as hell and not worth the risk in college, but the question is homework in general. If it's something like English homework, which is one of my stronger subjects, where I can just go "this is all the stuff that's wrong" off the bat, then I'll do it. If it's 50 fairly complicated math problems that take me two minutes or more to complete each when I get home at 8, planning to go to bed at 9, I'm not working out [I]anything[/I] that night.
As someone who never did one piece of homework all the way till College, I say it's completely fine. Coursework is a different matter altogether because to get a higher mark you need to put the time and effort into your work to get that grade. As something as trivial as homework though you shouldn't worry about cheating or skipping it entirely.
I once tried cheating on a programming assignment in college. Everyone was failing the class and looked to this one dude for help. They ended up copying his exact syntax and turned it in, me being one of them. The professor emailed everyone tell us to come forward or he is reporting everyone to the dean. I fessed up and got a C on it. It really depends on what type of assignment it is in my opinion.
100% yes, but only up until highschool.
The system is literally designed to:
A) teach you how to memorize orders
B) teach you how to follow those orders
C) fuck your esteem by treating you like a child until you're 18, then treating you like an adult and expecting you to know what you want to do with your life.
If you can get out of highschool with straight As by cheating or not, do it. Fuck ethics, just look at politics. Do you see how far cheating got them? :3: Cheat on homework, tests, provincials (our province wide standardized tests), finals, whatever you need to get As so you can graduate top of your class. Me? I never cheated (except once in a grade 8 socials test about Chinese dynasties, sorry Mr Williams) in highschool, I got As on exams but never did homework because frankly homework is fucking bullshit. Quantity, not quality. They literally just want to waste your time and make sure you're a good little slave. I'll spare you my highschool story though, it's too l33t
See: the public education system teaches you how to memorize what people tell you, not how to understand the world around you
In university, don't cheat, don't ever think of cheating, because this is ACTUALLY important shit you're doing. This is your career, and you better be fucking educated in your faculty or you're not going anywhere. You want to be top of your field by knowing more than the next motherfucker, and by playing fair to get to the top. That way, the success you gain was actually fucking earned, and you're a badass for doing it (and if somebody tests your shit, you can blow them out of the water)
I've always likened it to hacking in games (which I did when I was 13 in Source). Sure, hacking is fun, easy, and gets you points, but you never really get better as a player, you actually just get worse.
[QUOTE=Cheif;45665290]I once tried cheating on a programming assignment in college. Everyone was failing the class and looked to this one dude for help. They ended up copying his exact syntax and turned it in, me being one of them. The professor emailed everyone tell us to come forward or he is reporting everyone to the dean. I fessed up and got a C on it. It really depends on what type of assignment it is in my opinion.[/QUOTE]
Lol sounds like lesson learned. Dont copy word for word
Yeah if you are going to cheat, don't do so in a dumb way. A twat in my english course didn't like having a paraphrasing dictionary for the paper. So he decided to look up words with his phone. He got caught because the teacher found it quite suspicious how he tapped into his dictionary :v:
You wouldn't lose much from cheating in normal subjects if you're in a public school. They're forgettable and most college professors teach it coherently. If it's a creative medium like music, art, or writing? Don't bother, it'll bite you.
In high school? You [I]should[/I] be there to learn, but the American public school system is pretty fucked and it basically only teaches you to soak in enough information to recite back on a test. If you really feel the need to cheat, I say that's your business because as of now you're probably getting the same amount out of it.
In college? Definitely not. College is the real world and if you only pass things because you can look up solutions on the internet then you're completely missing the point. You're there to learn skills for a profession that could potentially see you holding other peoples' lives in your hands; most people would turn down a surgeon who passed his test with google, or a lawyer who bought somebody else's test results.
Basically, the way I see it is high school affects [I]you[/I], college affects what you can do for [I]others[/I].
[QUOTE=shemer77;45667665]Lol sounds like lesson learned. Dont copy word for word[/QUOTE]
I got REALLY lucky. The only reason I didn't get expelled was because literally the entire class did this. So that professor would have been fucking canned if he would have reported everyone, which is why I laugh when I look back on that.
eh in highschool its not really OK
in college homework is different, most of the time its not even graded or if it is its for completion, cheating on college homework is just hurting yourself since you're not going to learn the subject and then you'll be fucked when it comes to an exam or lab, homework in college is really meant to get you to practice applying what you're doing in class and learns you some subjects
i had the answer key to one of my classes's text book and i only ever used it to understand problems not copy solutions because sometimes you need to be able to see how a problem is meant to be solved before it clicks, but i later had to work with people who just copied the solutions out of that book and when it came to group work they didn't understand anything that was going on
[QUOTE=Sableye;45670289]eh in highschool its not really OK
in college homework is different, most of the time its not even graded or if it is its for completion, cheating on college homework is just hurting yourself since you're not going to learn the subject and then you'll be fucked when it comes to an exam or lab, homework in college is really meant to get you to practice applying what you're doing in class and learns you some subjects[/QUOTE]
I don't see how this makes any sense really. College is a big test of competency in a subject. You're not just hurting yourself by cheating on something if you make it through the degree, you're lying to others about your abilities.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;45670311]I don't see how this makes any sense really. College is a big test of competency in a subject. You're not just hurting yourself by cheating on something if you make it through the degree, you're defrauding other others about your abilities.[/QUOTE]
really depends on the subject, remember not everything you take in college is directly related to your major, i had to take a bunch of philosophy and religion classes as an engineering major, many of the engineering students in there joked about how they'd cheat in that class because it really doesn't matter in the long run since its just a fluff class, knowing the difference between aquinas's metaphysical understanding of the self and decarte's is not really that applicable to engineering anyway
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[QUOTE=zydos;45666288]100% yes, but only up until highschool.
The system is literally designed to:
A) teach you how to memorize orders
B) teach you how to follow those orders
C) [B]fuck your esteem by treating you like a child until you're 18,[/B] then treating you like an adult and expecting you to know what you want to do with your life.
[/QUOTE]
IKR, two weeks from the end of my sophmore year my AP english teacher told me because my citations were off in my final paper, its plagerism and i'm going to fail her class, she litterally wouldn't come to any solution where i didn't fail her class until i finally got my parents involved and they got the principles involved because she was just quoting rules out her ass without actually following the guidelines on what to do
like i seriously went to her like 5 times trying to negotiate and she just brushed it off as "i'm the teacher, you're the student, you fail"
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great thing was that got me to jump off the AP english track, take college english in highschool and never have to take another engrish class again because AP credits don't transfer in as 9 credit hours
In high school, I don't see it as a problem, especially if the person who does it studies off the information they obtained so they understand it and will know in the future. When it comes to homework, it's mean to be a refresher for the materials you were taught in class. So obtaining a bit more information, especially if you didn't catch one thing in class right, isn't so bad. I never really see cheating in homework unless it's some form of multiple choice, and you find the answers online. But researching a question on the internet, and writing down this information, and studying it after isn't a big problem in my books.
yeah it's ok sometimes. Homework is a crock of shit that you got to deal with in this mess we call the education system here in america anyways.
School should be about education and the exploration of ideas and concepts. Not about training people to do paperwork. Smart kids are going to learn and be interested, dumb kids aren't gonna give a shit. You don't need homework to emphasize this point, it just punishes the smart kids who are lazy in their young years which is all too common of a thing. Homework is all about determining who is going to be "successful" in society, who is going to not be distracted easily by their mind and things around them and get shit done for their boss. However, this is retarded because when people are young it's sometimes hard to determine how they will turn up in life after they have completely gone through puberty, some extremely intelligent and hard working people procrastinate on homework in their younger years because they are kids still.
I don't cheat, but it makes me mad as fuck when people try to copy my answers. Not being stingy or anything, but I can get in trouble for letting them and they are being more lazy than me.
P.S. Homework is shit, helps nearly nobody. Give me a study guide or something that will actually help, not some garbage I have to waste 45 minutes on.
Well, it depends. When I was in school, I didn't have any problems with my homework. I don't know how the system works in the United States, whether they give you sheets with questions and you have to answer them, but where I live some of the teachers would give the students essays such as "Explain Freud's theory of culture". Granted, it was my last year in school, but the topic was still extremely hard and generalized, so I had to use the Internet to look up, say, the thinking during the time Freud lived in, or how the war affected society and his views on it. The Internet has helped me on several occasions, though I have never used it to directly answer questions you might find in your history or math books.
I contend that in college, cheating is pointless, at least insofar as getting a job. Many companies, such as Google, are coming to the realization that GPA means jack shit for quality of potential employees. So if you're gonna cheat to get that 4.0 instead of trying your hardest and only getting a 3.0, chances are that by virtue of at least trying without cheating you've gained more knowledge and critical thinking skills needed to be versatile in a professional environment.
Maybe if you're going for med school or something it's different, but if you gotta cheat to be a doctor please never be my doctor.
[url]http://www.businessinsider.com/how-google-hires-people-2013-6[/url]
I slacked my way through elementary (with extended maths/science classes) and high school through combination of just being able to pull most crap out of my sleeve as needed, being able to bullshit the teachers, and just simply cheating, copying, etcetera.
Now I am in university and I have [B]severe[/B] issues trying to keep up with my coursework, because I am not used to actual workload and can't handle what I am expected to (and the previously mentioned tricks don't work anymore).
I am not missing the eduction from high school or elsewhere, but I am missing the ability to actually focus, learn, and work.
I completely fucked myself over, and I am still not entirely sure what to do with myself. If you plan on doing something more intellectually tasking than burger flipping or painting, get used to do your homework. (and then teach me how to do it because jesus christ oh god I am so fucked)
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;45698463]I contend that in college, cheating is pointless, at least insofar as getting a job. Many companies, such as Google, are coming to the realization that GPA means jack shit for quality of potential employees. So if you're gonna cheat to get that 4.0 instead of trying your hardest and only getting a 3.0, chances are that by virtue of at least trying without cheating you've gained more knowledge and critical thinking skills needed to be versatile in a professional environment.
Maybe if you're going for med school or something it's different, but if you gotta cheat to be a doctor please never be my doctor.
[url]http://www.businessinsider.com/how-google-hires-people-2013-6[/url][/QUOTE]
google may be realising that but for the rest of us who are trying to get into places like cargil or GE or just about anyone out there 3.0 is a manditory minimum, 3.5 is really required for the good jobs/internships
very hard to find stuff in college that doesn't demand a 3.0 GPA
If you're asking about the morality of it, than it's simply a values question -- you get to decide what you think is right. That said, you don't get anything out of homework you don't do, and trust me, that sucks when you hit higher education.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;45635918]The purpose of homework is to help you with your studies. [/QUOTE]
Not always. Most of the homework I was given in high school was either A: to fluff up my grade(These teachers just gave a 100 to anyone that turned it in and didn't even bother checking if it was correct) or B: To lessen their own workload(Any other class it would have been routine classwork, but they were lazy so they basically told us to do their job for them.)
Its okay to do, because it only harms yourself
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;45670311]I don't see how this makes any sense really. College is a big test of competency in a subject. You're not just hurting yourself by cheating on something if you make it through the degree, you're lying to others about your abilities.[/QUOTE]
While you have a point, if you're in college learning how to fix cars and you cheat your way through a mandatory philosophy class you're not hurting a damn thing. Absolutely nothing in a philosophy class is going to help fix a non-start on a tour bus or hotrod a muscle car.
What counts as cheating? You have tools that your school is designed to deny the existence of. It's not really a school...
My opinion? Learn the method that is best for you. Is it a topic you're comfortable with requiring reference material to do again? If so, use reference material. If not, memorize it.
"cheating" is a silly term
[QUOTE=TestECull;45795951]Not always. Most of the homework I was given in high school was either A: to fluff up my grade(These teachers just gave a 100 to anyone that turned it in and didn't even bother checking if it was correct) or B: To lessen their own workload(Any other class it would have been routine classwork, but they were lazy so they basically told us to do their job for them.)[/QUOTE]
The purpose of homework is to help you with your studies. If you don't believe it, don't ever go to university. You can't get even a pass at university without doing your homework.
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[QUOTE=TestECull;45796022]While you have a point, if you're in college learning how to fix cars and you cheat your way through a mandatory philosophy class you're not hurting a damn thing. Absolutely nothing in a philosophy class is going to help fix a non-start on a tour bus or hotrod a muscle car.[/QUOTE]
Your example is kind of ironic, because philosophy would dictate cheating to be unethical, so you wouldn't deserve to receive a pass in that course. And if you cheat at college/university, you will be found out and you will be suspended if not expelled, for cheating on any course.
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