[QUOTE=Antdawg;45799601]The purpose of homework is to help you with your studies. If you don't believe it, don't ever go to university. You can't get even a pass at university without doing your homework.
[editline]26th August 2014[/editline]
Your example is kind of ironic, because philosophy would dictate cheating to be unethical, so you wouldn't deserve to receive a pass in that course. And if you cheat at college/university, you will be found out and you will be suspended if not expelled, for cheating on any course.[/QUOTE]
Philosophy doesn't dictate that in any hard terms. There are dozens of branches and many wouldn't agree with you at all --especially if you weren't caught. And as you can't guarantee that cheaters will get caught, that definitive statement is a little silly. Paying people for papers is rampant on college campuses, and I never saw anybody busted for it.
[QUOTE=Prov3rbial;45806049]Philosophy doesn't dictate that in any hard terms. There are dozens of branches and many wouldn't agree with you at all --especially if you weren't caught. And as you can't guarantee that cheaters will get caught, that definitive statement is a little silly. Paying people for papers is rampant on college campuses, and I never saw anybody busted for it.[/QUOTE]
You would never see anyone getting busted for it because the institution would be quiet about suspending people. Credible universities will compare submissions against other student submissions for the exact same task as well as in previous years and against other documents on the Internet. If I can create and submit an essay without cheating and still get a 20% similarity count, someone who buys an essay will set off alarms with their similarity count. Even if you pay someone else to make a completely original paper for you, you're only cheating yourself out and you don't deserve the degree.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;45809727]You would never see anyone getting busted for it because the institution would be quiet about suspending people. Credible universities will compare submissions against other student submissions for the exact same task as well as in previous years and against other documents on the Internet. If I can create and submit an essay without cheating and still get a 20% similarity count, someone who buys an essay will set off alarms with their similarity count. Even if you pay someone else to make a completely original paper for you, you're only cheating yourself out and you don't deserve the degree.[/QUOTE]
It's not hard to dodge methods of checking for cheating, if a professor even bothers to use them. Adjunct professors have huge work-loads and very little incentive to hunt down cheaters, and that's the direction most colleges in the US are going.
But yeah, I agree with your general gist -- if you cheat in a stupid way, you'll likely get caught, and either way you're screwing yourself out of one of the main benefits of college.
[QUOTE=Prov3rbial;45822176]It's not hard to dodge methods of checking for cheating, if a professor even bothers to use them. Adjunct professors have huge work-loads and very little incentive to hunt down cheaters, and that's the direction most colleges in the US are going.
But yeah, I agree with your general gist -- if you cheat in a stupid way, you'll likely get caught, and either way you're screwing yourself out of one of the main benefits of college.[/QUOTE]
Similarity counts are performed with computers as submissions are usually made online by the student, or if the submission is a physical copy then it is scanned and the similarity count is performed on the digital copy. It only takes a few minutes for the computer system the university uses to perform the similarity count, and after it's done you get to view your paper and see what bits are similar to whatever else is in the database that is used. You could re-word the paper, yes, but if you have references you are required to order them alphabetically and adhere to a strict standard (eg APA referencing) and the computer can raise suspicion if two papers have the exact same references.
But yeah even if someone was able to fool that system, the time spent on getting around it would have been better spent on actually working on the submission. Cheating in college/university is just stupid, and colleges and universities will do the best job they can to prevent cheating from ever occurring so that the institution doesn't receive damage to their reputation if they are pumping out students who cheated their degrees and don't actually know anything about the qualification they've received.
I've cheated my way through a handful of college courses. They were prerequisite courses not specific to my degree, like Calculus and Physics. Cool things to learn, I guess, but not quite pertinent to what I want to do regarding computer science. Basic calculus helps with a few algorithms but that's about it.
It's totally true that you don't learn quite the same, though. Hence why I don't do it in my CS courses. I kinda want to be a half-decent programmer when I'm out of college.
Any homework I've been given is useless and is only set because the head-teachers have told the teachers that it must be given out on a weekly basis, and it's just the same stuff you've already learnt. So no, I don't think homework is important.
At least not until you start getting coursework in the last year of secondary school, then through College and University. That's pretty important because you're actually graded on the quality and such of your coursework, it's basically standard school work at home. That's the case in my school, anyway.
If your homework is graded, then it's important.
If the stuff you're doing is going to show up on your quiz, you better know how to do it.
If it's none of the above, don't bother.
Schools only value what your score is, not how you get it. I'd rather cheat on a test so I can get the possibility of going to a school I want to in the future than spend hours of my life learning something I will have no use of in the future.
[QUOTE=HookerVomit;45635909]Nobody really cares.. everyone does it.
It only matters if YOU care and think its okay. If you go back and check the homework (assuming you get the papers back and they're all correct answers) and study it at home after the fact that you got the grade, then I don't see what the problem is.
If you care about your education, then that should be good enough for you.
just don't get caught.[/QUOTE]
I never cared, i wasnt the smartest kid in school or the hardest worker, but i would let whoever was sitting next to me copy my work, no biggie. But i did copy one girl on a math quiz... tell me why this bitch got every damn question wrong, so i cut that out.. as for the people who copy, they copy because they fail to understand, which in turn makes them fail to understand future work to be done. I dont think copying or cheating is wrong schoolwise because at the emd of the day, you only cheat yourself out of actually being able to learn something new.
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[QUOTE=Vasey105;45825715]Any homework I've been given is useless and is only set because the head-teachers have told the teachers that it must be given out on a weekly basis, and it's just the same stuff you've already learnt. So no, I don't think homework is important.
At least not until you start getting coursework in the last year of secondary school, then through College and University. That's pretty important because you're actually graded on the quality and such of your coursework, it's basically standard school work at home. That's the case in my school, anyway.[/QUOTE]
From fourth grade to eleventh grade, i would fail classes because i never did my homework (ever) nor did i do the vacation packets which were a substantial part of our grades, but i would ace tests and quizzes. Now if tests and quizzes are a reflection on what youve been taught and the homework is just extra work/skill polishers (if you will) well shouldnt i have passed all my classes? The school system is flawed. I proved that i learned, yet because of the daily 2-3 hours of homework that i refused to do, i was held back twice. This ultimately ended with me dropping out of highschool, i went to go take my ged test a month after and woah and behold i aced it, i aced every subject save for math which i passed by the skin of my teeth. So with that being said i do believe the school system is flawed and i also believe that homework is inefficient.
As a guy who writes papers and does math homework for slackers like you for a living, I can assure you cheating is the moral thing to do.
For it is only through your laziness that I can afford my course books and ramen noodles!
It depends on country/education system.
In countries like Romania, where the Pre-university Education is largely irrelevant and still uses communist methods (pre-1989), written homework is generally demanded from teachers' habit rather than with specific purposes. The whole progression system is horribly flawed and written homework has nothing to do with adequately learning about a subject, nor is it required for the Bachelor's degree.
[I]Most[/I] written homework is rightfully regarded as garbage here, therefore most students rarely invest time or stress over it in high school.
Cheating is actually bad IMHO. Not only it's really getting you in trouble when caught, but all the learning process will ruin itself.
Whenever you cheat at any educational level, and when you get to a real job that requires that knowledge, it's going to be too late to try to learn again all that stuff you should have learnt. And of course, you get a worse job or get fired for not making up to the expectations of your job.
But I don't know how the fuck did people like Matt Zuckerberg (Facebook), who I heard they unfairly got their places in the market (even the Simpsons parodies it), got their important spots. Yes, I got to say it's an unfair world, so basically: a) you work hard as shit or b) get like Richie Rich to succeed.
But generally, cheating is bad. It fucks up the entire learning process.
Of course I am talking about most western countries.
[QUOTE=Zircon_;45861066]It depends on country/education system.
In countries like Romania, where the Pre-university Education is largely irrelevant and still uses communist methods (pre-1989), written homework is generally demanded from teachers' habit rather than with specific purposes. The whole progression system is horribly flawed and written homework has nothing to do with adequately learning about a subject, nor is it required for the Bachelor's degree.
[I]Most[/I] written homework is rightfully regarded as garbage here, therefore most students rarely invest time or stress over it in high school.[/QUOTE]
I was generally thinking about it from the big western countries but I'm curious to see how the education system in other countries works as well ie is it conducive to cheating or have they worked a system where cheating is , at the minimum, more difficult to perform?
Cheating on your homework sadly backfires onto yourself, so in that sense it's pretty stupid to do!
However, a foreigners perspective on the american college/university system, makes me think otherwise in those higher areas.
If you guys pay ridiculous and inflated tuition amounts, you'd better walk out of there with A+ after A+. Cheating or otherwise.
Maybe it's because I'm italian, but from what I've seen it seems like school (at least up until college, then things get serious) wants to teach you how to cheat and be a sly motherfucker without getting caught or to fake knowing things that you damn well don't while still giving the impression that you're the one that invented the subject you're talking about.
And it's still probably because I'm italian, but those skills served me well in more than one occasion more than any study method will probably ever do. (However if you talk to me I'll probably look like an ignorant idiot but w/e)
Here in Romania most of the stuff they teach you is a shitload of useless theory that you'll forget by the time you're out of high school. So yeah, might as well get out with high grades.
No. You are taking credit for work that someone else did.
I am going to have to heavily disagree with the people that are saying "absolutely not" in college because that's going to be "screwing yourself over".
Do you know how many courses that are absolutely irrelevant to the actual degree program that students are required to take? Half the courses I took were completely unrelated to my degree. I was pre-pharmacy, so my future degree plans required heavy math and science.
A few samples of the courses I was required to take: American history, american politics, humanities, art appreciation, world regional geography, speech, financial accounting, and macroeconomics. It can be debated that politics, speech, accounting, and macroeconomics are important, to a degree, in everyday life. The accounting was more from a business owner angle, however, so that diminishes its usefulness.
The rest? Haven't used any of it since the day I had the final for the class. On core subjects, no, you definitely don't want to cheat. On the other hand, I am a bit of a hypocrite because I [B]did[/B] cheat. Unfortunately, a couple of my professors were piss poor at explaining things. One would give a brief explanation of the topic and leave us to work things out. The other would just keep lecturing through our questions and id-way through the semester we just gave up on asking. About the only way I could figure out what I was supposed to do was cheat. That is, find a similar question and figure out how they worked things so I could work my own.
Depends.
I think it's alright to cheat if you're -certain- that what you're doing is 100% right, and it's something you won't easily forget. If you're not learning anything from the homework because you already know what you're doing, then it's pointless.
On the other hand, I think if you don't know or are unsure about what you're doing, that you should respect yourself and the time the teacher is putting into grading your work enough to do it legit and see what you need to improve on when you get the work back from your teacher.
If you understand the content, then copying down some homework answers instead of wasting time figuring it out yourself is no problem. If you don't know the information, and you still copy and cheat, your taking a risk.
if what you're learning isn't even relevant to what you'll be doing in the future and you don't require the knowledge, i see nothing wrong with it
better to get out of there with good grades because you cheated rather than be honest and fail, you won't remember two thirds of the shit you learn in school anyway
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i mean don't make it a habit, at least try and use your brain before you cheat, otherwise one day you'll be sitting an exam full of the shit you were supposed to have learned and be completely fucked
[QUOTE=PieClock;46047246]Depends.
I think it's alright to cheat if you're -certain- that what you're doing is 100% right, and it's something you won't easily forget. If you're not learning anything from the homework because you already know what you're doing, then it's pointless.
On the other hand, I think if you don't know or are unsure about what you're doing, that you should respect yourself and the time the teacher is putting into grading your work enough to do it legit and see what you need to improve on when you get the work back from your teacher.[/QUOTE]
In my case, all the homework was online and graded the instant I submitted the answer. MyChemistryLab and MyPhysicsLab, respectively. The only things that weren't graded online were exams and lab work.
Shouldn't really but if it's a legitimately useless topic outside of a test, why not. It's subjective/contextual whether you should IMO. Sometimes you legitimately know the answer, or learn the answer anyway
Back in school, I considered it a matter of honor never to cheat.
Today i think that school mostly serves no purpose other than to train you to repeat the things you're being told. Grades tell you how well you're doing that. If you cheat, you're actually using your brain in a more useful way. You're coming up with your own way of overcoming obstacles. So by all means go ahead and cheat your way through school.
[editline]24th September 2014[/editline]
To be taken with a grain of salt, of course.
There's always the moral problem of taking advantage of other people's efforts. Nobody likes people who gain an unfair advantage at other people's cost, and rightly so. I just don't think that school as it is today is a good concept, so I'm in support of undermining this system.
[QUOTE=Medevila;46046808]This justification bothers me as someone who doesn't cheat, like if that's your only argument for cheating then you really need to rethink why you're doing it[/QUOTE]
You're just not smart enough to cheat, that's it.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;46065102]You're just not smart enough to cheat, that's it.[/QUOTE]
even as much as that is a zing, there is some truth there
If you can do it without being caught, and the subject in question is irrelevant to what you want to be working with or any other career that isn't super-specific, then I say do it. Cheating doesn't hurt anyone except yourself in certain situations. There really isn't anything morally wrong with it. (unless you are straight up copying/stealing someone elses work, then you're an asshole as they might get in trouble.)
I for example, have spent many hours studying for things that are of no real use to me. As a consequense of this, I didn't do as well in other "important" classes as I could have if I would have used more of my study-energy on them. I only wish I would have realized this when I was in highschool. Work smart, not hard.
Thought i'd bump up this thread with something I found that really shows how much of a problem this shit is:
[url]http://time.com/3546635/sat-cheating-china-korea-college-board/[/url]
go for it I cheated at homework all throughout my high-school life I have no regrets doing so
Up to you
Reason why they give homeworks is to make sure you learn the stuff they taught to you in the class
If you think you know the stuff then by all means go ahead.
But then again you wouldn't need to cheat if you actually learned something
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