[QUOTE=ionuttzu;27183774]Allies won, it's just the Americans being cocky and that think they're superior in everything. They do that in a lot of subjects, not only WW2[/QUOTE]
PEOPLE are cocky. I bet you can find a bunch of brits who would say THEY won the war. America isn't the only country that claims shit that they didnt really do. America has its shortcomings but we've had our share of achievements
[QUOTE=markg06;15906024]If you were going on numbers alone then technically Germany won since they lost fewer people.
Whoever disagrees is an idiot, look up the casualties.[/QUOTE]
War is not based on how well you fight your bit of it. War is based on who, in the end, controls the strategic objectives.
germany won the war look at them now
The only real way to win a war is to get out of it with less losses than the other side. While all of Europe was in ruin the only superpower that was completely untouched was the US, which allowed it to eventually become the dominant superpower that it is today.
[QUOTE=Anteep2;27183925]germany won the war look at them now[/QUOTE]
The German people won, being liberated from the Nazi oppression. If you ask me, Germany got liberated, but that's just my retarded opinion
I don't know who won in Europe, but America destroyed the Japanese completely.
[QUOTE=Dragon Master;27178352]This is totally not true, The German high command believed that the attacks would take place else where, The British inteligence units decieved germans with a dead body carry planted false inteligence. Also on the South Eastern border of the British Isles, The British army build scale cardboard and wooden replicas of tanks, artillery batteries and planes, to fool the krautes into thinking the attack was going to be an invasion on the far North-Eastern corner of France. By the time the germans reassembled thier troops, British, Canadian and American forces were on the way to the Northern Beaches of france. They never found out that the units on the coast of Britain were decoys until the end of the war.
To the point about "Britain wouldn't have won without America", this may well be true, but America played a vital role in suppling the British troops, Germany is landlocked and could buy or steal from any country around it, Britain is an issolated island, without american supplies things could have gone alot different.
In terms of Armed forces and Warfare, I think Britain would have been able to win the war without American help, due to the mass army the British Empire had from all of it's colonies. from Britain alone over 4 million troops were fighting in North Africa and Western Europe. Had the French not have surrendered so easily, the Americans would not have needed to join.
The Pacific war is a totally different story though, In modern culture people think that it was onlt the Americans that fought the Japanese, which is completely a lie. The "Chindits" were an Elite British junge force fighting japan out of Burma. The Russians also played a big role in pushing the Japs back to their islands. Don't forget the Austrailians, Kiwi's and Indians who fought aswell. Had Britain have not lost the Battle of Singapore, the Eastern British Empire would have been a much stronger combatant.
[B]That's what I know.... :v:[/B][/QUOTE]
The Allies also put the infamous George S. Patton in charge of the First United States Army Group, which of course, gained Axis attention, exactly as planned. Patton's First United States Army Group didn't actually exist, it was a decoy, and it worked. The Axis set up defences to counter Patton's Army, when the real invasion happened elsewhere.
[QUOTE=Explosions;27184103]I don't know who won in Europe, but America destroyed the Japanese completely.[/QUOTE]
And Denied japanese americans their constitutional rights :D
Soviet Russia won the war.
[QUOTE=Jiyoon;27184483]And Denied japanese americans their constitutional rights :D[/QUOTE]
Different subject completely, buckaroo.
Well after all the murdering, The Nazi's ended up dead
The Allies and the Comintern won..the Axis lost. Its pretty simple.
And yes..there were 3 factions not 2..
I asked my dad about this, and we both agreed. The Americans were the top dogs because we had the most forces fighting on two fronts. We had the Pacific Front and the European Front.
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[QUOTE=EurofanBMW;27184940]The Allies and the [b]Comintern[/b] won..the Axis lost. Its pretty simple.
And yes..there were 3 factions not 2..[/QUOTE]
Huh?
You can't truly consider the Soviets to be "allies" as their war efforts and interests was fairly disconnected from the western allied efforts. had things gone a bit differently, the soviets may not have stopped after capturing berlin.
In the early period of the war, the soviets armies faced some fairly devastating losses to the Germans blitzkrieg, they pulled back, destroying their own supply lines so the Germans (and their allies) were not able to use them. By late 1941, the German's blitzkrieg started to slow as winter came, and the soviets gained footing and the Germans had difficulty advancing in the dreadful winter conditions. on the western end of the soviet union, many of the large soviet cities such as Leningrad and Moscow went under siege, Leningrad in particular receiving depressing civilian losses.
Stalingrad is sort of the marked turning point in the eastern front, as its the main contingent where the germans and soviets really duked it out, after which the soviets broke through the thinning german lines. By that point, the soviet union had re-esstablished their factories on the other side of the volga river and ural mountains, and they began pumping out their new military hardware in vast qauntities. The numerous panzer tanks and monstrous tiger tanks that had previously dominated outdated soviet models became manageable when the soviets began using T-34s (and its sister models) in large qauntity. The PPSH41 really began phasing out the PPD40, and it was a fairly devastating and numerous weapon, bringing great meaning to "quantity over quality" as it sputtered lead in urban environments and anti-tank trench-lines, I like to think it would have been quite helpful in the later days of Stalingrad.
To cut things short, after stalingrad, the Germans faced a fairly crushing defeat in the battle of kursk; which still to this day remains the largest tank battle in history, that put yet another dent in things for the germans. The rest basically continued onwards with the germans getting pushed back towards germany. In 1945, the Soviets reached berlin, and those were some really dark days for the once mighty german war machine. Berlin was basically razed to the ground by constant katyusha bombardments, coupled with the allied air bombardments.
After all this, the soviets were left with a devastating 23 million casualties, most of whom were civilians. They also faced the largest number of german forces, and later in the war they were facing a lot of veteran contingents wielding he best weapons germany had to offer.
It's basically undeniable that the soviet effort easily had the largest impact on the war. D-Day was definitely a big help, but most unbiased ww2 historians would argue that the soviets probably still would have defeated the germans and captured berlin; though the war may have continued into the west, so soviet losses would have been even higher. Ultimately WW2 was a joint effort on behalf of the western allies and the soviets.
In the end, lets not forget that though the Germans definitely lost politically and strategically, tactically they arguably did a hell of a lot better than anybody else given the odds and numbers they were facing. Loss of life aside, people tend to view WW2 from a biased standpoint, and forget that many Germans still remember their families efforts during the war, and to some extent they have a right to be as proud of it as anybody else.
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wow thats a lot of text
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Its also not fair to forget about the pacific front, as it was mostly american troops out in those points. But if you think about if, the pacific front was almost a war of it's own, being basically on the other side of the planet. The Japanese and Germans had little economic ties, they were their own empires.
In Europe, the soviets made the largest efforts and sacrifices and did the most damage to the Germans, The pacific front was largely an American war, especially since the Japanese initially attacked the Americans only. The war in the pacific had little effect on the war in Europe beyond affecting supply lines.
It's been said that WW2 was won with American money, British intelligence, and Russian lives. Sounds about right to me.
I've always wondered if the world would be a better place if Hitler had been assassinated and the war ended conditionally instead of unconditionally.
Kangaroos did it.
On regards to Hitler:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqWNmovbxaQ[/media]
Germany wouldn't have gotton as far without the US help. Guess who was supplying parts, motors ect. Ford was.
[QUOTE=rosar0980;27185313]Huh?[/QUOTE]
Cominterns were the international congress of socialist countries.
Russia would have been more or less helpless without the lend lease program.
[QUOTE=Vasili;27186033]On regards to Hitler:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqWNmovbxaQ[/media][/QUOTE]
This is true, Hitler did have Syphilis he caught from some prostitutes.. Now I wonder what would of Happened it Patton was allowed to march into Russia and get those commies.
[QUOTE=Vobra;27186367]This is true, Hitler did have Syphilis he caught from some prostitutes.. Now I wonder what would of Happened it Patton was allowed to march into Russia and get those commies.[/QUOTE]
Well, Churchill's plan (Operation Unthinkable) involved reactivating the just-defeated German army. That would have been... interesting. If nukes were used (I recall up to a dozen were planned for use, but I can't find a source on that and may be misremembering), it would have really messed up Europe for a while.
Everybody knows that Russia "won" WWII, but still had help from the West. Although, if the Russians HAD failed to take Berlin, America and Britain would've later, anyways.
America and Russia won World War II for the most part.
France and Britain were on the winning team as well, but they didn't gain as much recognition because they were clinging for survival for most of the war.
Germany, Italy, and Japan were on the loser's side.
And then shortly after America and Russia entered the Cold War.
[QUOTE=Vobra;27186367]This is true, Hitler did have Syphilis he caught from some prostitutes.. Now I wonder what would of Happened it Patton was allowed to march into Russia and get those commies.[/QUOTE]
he get his ass handed to him
Soviet man power
British intelligence
American industry
That's what won the war.
Lol "British intelligence"
"Hey make sure to squeeze us in!"
im going to quote winston churchill.
[quote] "Red Army decided the fate of German militarism"[/quote]
oh and, the Eastern Front was decisive in determining the outcome of World War II, eventually serving as the main reason for Germany's defeat. So if it wasn't for russia, we would all be speaking german as of now.
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