World War Two; Who Won it? - General

[QUOTE=Rhodes;15911167]Russkies suggested for peace and it was OK to Mannerheim (the greatest war hero ever) because he didn't want to lose anymore men of our small population. And we wasn't going to lose the war. If we would keep fighting that way as it was going on, Finland would be the biggest country in the world.[/QUOTE] No, we would have lost. Get your info right boy.

Australia won. Along with the rest of the Allied forces

[QUOTE=booster;15911187]No, we would have lost. Get your info right boy.[/QUOTE] Check out stats. lol. [editline]02:41AM[/editline] [QUOTE=booster;15907387]I'm pretty sure we didn't win the winter war. In the peace treaty we lost 9% of our pre-war territory and 20% of our industrial capacity. Including Valborg :( .[/QUOTE] We got what we want: indepence. Russkies didn't get what they want: Finland.

[QUOTE=Rhodes;15911167]Russkies suggested for peace and it was OK to Mannerheim (the greatest war hero ever) because he didn't want to lose anymore men of our small population. And we wasn't going to lose the war. If we would keep fighting that way as it was going on, Finland would be the biggest country in the world.[/QUOTE] Finland was losing the winter war. Soviet planes were bombing towns to the ground and the Mannerheim line was beginning to crumble with introduction of soviet heavy tanks to the battlefield. It was a dumb war of finnish nationalism anyway, pointless for both sides.

[QUOTE=massn7;15906619]He didn't fail to mobilize his Panzers. The 2nd SS was on its way to the beaches in full force, but Allied air superiority took a heavy toll on its men and tanks, to the point where by the time they got to the beaches, their usefulness was nil. The 12th SS was also present near Caen, and they stalled the Brits and Canadians severely... but again, the air superiority combined with naval gunfire decimated their equipment and numbers to the point where they had to fall back, or be destroyed, not to mention the fact that their commander was struck down by British naval gunfire.[/QUOTE] Hitler did refuse multiple Panzer divisions to Rommel until the allies landed. This prevented him from having the Panzers that could have thrown the allies back into the sea (if they had escaped the air and naval bombardment.)

I'd say that Russia was great support, but America topped it off for them.

[QUOTE=petieng;15905991] However, America (along with Canada and Britain) played a large part in liberating France and other parts of Europe. The UK also bought supplies from the US, and also exchanged them for technologies such as Radar.[/QUOTE] I though Radar was a German invention.

No one won. It's not a fucking contest people.

[QUOTE=Bomimo;15907058]you kinda make me sick... all know that britain and russia fought teeth and claws to hold the gerries at the border. as the war progressed they pushed them backwards and when stuff started looking winnable "MR. AMERICA - THE SUPERNATION" finally decided that the odds were so great that they could swoop in with minimal effort and take the credit. [/QUOTE] America did not want to get involved in the war. Not even when the Allies were close to winning. We wanted to let Europe solve this themselves. We [b]had[/b] no reason to fight against Germany at the moment. Then the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor. And Japan was part of the Axis. That was when we went to war.

Psh. Everyone knows Switzerland won the war. What with their cheese and all.

In a war, nobody wins. Except if you fund both sides and then charge both sides for the reconstruccion. Something similar is happeneing with Irak... and most of the wars in Africa if not all. War is Profitable, but lives are worth more than any given amout of money.

The Allies won; not America, Britain or the USSR. It was all one big effort, whether they liked it or not. The Russians tied up the majority of the Axis forces in the East, but the only reason Russia wasn't overwhelmed was because the Commonwealth tied up forces in Africa, France and over Britain that would have otherwise allowed the Germans to claim victory over the USSR. However, it is most likely that Britain would not have been able to invade Europe without the help of America, which prevented the USSR from claiming most/all of Europe. In summary; no one country won the war.

I don't think America did...I think the Allies did seeing as it was a joint effort (yes I am American so I am not America bashing...or anyone for that matter)

America

[QUOTE=Faren;15906069]It was New Zealand.[/QUOTE] of course, without our help, you guys would of been fucked!

[QUOTE=Kronik;15911274]I though Radar was a German invention.[/QUOTE] No, British. The Battle of Britain probably wouldn't have been won without it. [QUOTE=TheShatteredIce;15907380]True, however added to the Brit's were a small number of American pilots, a small income of resources, small yet still very much needed. Anyways if you want a full explanation just pm me, my attention span is stressed enough just by maintaining my thread :v:[/QUOTE] That's true, though there were far more Canadian and Polish pilots fighting in the RAF.

[QUOTE=ARoss91;15906662]sure as shit wasnt Japan[/QUOTE] [img]http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/nuclear-test-1.jpg[/img]

It was Ethiopia. WAIT! I'm not kidding. During the scramble for Africa, Italy claimed the land known as Ethiopia. Unlike the other countries that took part in the scramble, Italy was a young nation. They tried to conquer the area, but the Ethiopians won the war and stayed independent. Fast forward a bit, and Mussolini is in charge. The war is at a slow point right now, so Mussolini decides to retake Ethiopia. The Allies see the chance to crush Italy and take it. When Italy starts to lose in Africa, Germany intervenes. Not only do they lose troops in Africa, but Operation Barbarossa (NAZI invasion of the USSR) is put on hold while Germany is occupied in Africa. This puts the invasion in Winter, which is one of the main reasons for the failure of the invasion. The USSR then begins to not only push back the Germans, but eventually start taking their lands. Meanwhile, the Axis powers lost Africa, which provided a southern launching point which was used to invade Italy. If Ethiopia had lost their war for independence, none of that would have happened.

America's mass production of tanks ammunition and weapons caused the allies to win since the side with the most and best resources would ultimately win the war due to the losses involved in the war itself.

[QUOTE=Cheezy;15906089]If you look at the losses you might reconsider who actually lost the war.. [Img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5e/WorldWarII-DeathsByAlliance-Piechart.png/210px-WorldWarII-DeathsByAlliance-Piechart.png[/Img][/QUOTE] By that logic Confederacy won the American Civil War. This whole thread is void anyway. What we saw in the 1940s was just a conflict leading up to WW2. Once Hilter and the Forth Reich gain political power in brazil we will then see what will be WW2.

[QUOTE=The_OIFY;15906031]Techinccaly you could say neither side won due to the fact that they both lost millions of lives. But then again history is decided by the winning side so .... GO AMERICA USA USA USA USA Edit: also the canadians did do a-fucking-lot to help win the war.[/QUOTE] what the fuck does canada even do anyways, besides just sit up there and pose as frenchies

[QUOTE=agun;15911381]In a war, nobody wins. Except if you fund both sides and then charge both sides for the reconstruccion. Something similar is happeneing with Irak... and most of the wars in Africa if not all. War is Profitable, but lives are worth more than any given amout of money.[/QUOTE] Are you talking about USA there buddy ?

United States was pulled in by Pearl Harbor. Supposedly an allied sub picked up the signal. It was going to rebroadcast it to the Americans, but it was never heard from again. There are actually many theories that the allies' secret service bombed that sub. A theory. We talked all about it in Canadian history.

my granddaddy won it he waltzed right up to ole hitler and socked him in the face so hard that hitler and all of germany died a slice of the history cake right there

It was Australia :\

If there was a single country that deserved to be declared the sole "victor" of World War II, then we would not have this thread. The Allies won, simple as that.

Shouldn't just count the UK. It should be common wealth

The Allies won due to the Nuclear Bomb, the Germans were also developing a nuclear bomb but we got to it first. :dance:

[QUOTE=iownuall;15912400]what the fuck does canada even do anyways, besides just sit up there and pose as frenchies[/QUOTE] Juno Beach, Caen, etc

[QUOTE=JPoid;15913557]The Allies won due to the Nuclear Bomb, the Germans were also developing a nuclear bomb but we got to it first. :dance:[/QUOTE] hitler did not see a weapon in nuclear energy but if he did they were pretty much there.