America is most credited to saving the Allied powers due to the fact that once it DID enter the war, we pinched the Germans back and in return the Russians pushed from the other direction. Ultimately it was a cooperative effort, but if America never intervened then the world you know now wouldn't exist.
Because America is better then Russia.
[QUOTE=iownuall;15912400]what the fuck does canada even do anyways, besides just sit up there and pose as frenchies[/QUOTE]
..What?
[QUOTE=Electrocuter;15907233]No shit, obviously the Allies had more deaths than Axis because almost all of the war was fought in France, an allied country, only in 1944 did the Allies step into Germany while Italy was almost untouched, same for Japan.
Either way, no individual country won the war, it was a group effort, Allies won, Axis lost, teamwork motherfuckers.[/QUOTE]
What the fuck BOOOOOOOOOOOM
WHAT THE FUCK? WHAT THE FUCK?
HOW WAS MOST OF THE WAR FOUGHT IN FRANCE? EXPLAIN.
I like how no matter what the topic is on FP, there are always people who actually know about the topic and have intelligent arguments.
Also, the allies won.
Fat man did :p
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So by the time of the D-Day landings, the Germans just didn't have enough soldiers left to properly man the beaches. Another problem was (for the Germans at least) was that Hitler was going a bit batshit. It's reckoned that his spies did find out that the Allies were landing, but he never believed them and strung out his army across the entire coast. He then failed to mobilise his Panzer division.
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Well about D Day they were giving out false information the entire time to throw off the Germans. They used movie props, they had all kinds of tricks to make the Germans think we were attacking a different spot. They used light weight props such as tanks and boats and fog and played fake sounds over loud speakers to throw them off.
Depends on the theatre. West Europe? The Allies as a whole. Pacific? The United States (obviously). East Europe? Kind of depends, the Soviet Union lost most of it's men, but the Germans lost the war. In Africa, I can't really say anyone lost or won, truly. The British lost quite a bit, the Germans lost quite a bit, and the Italians lost quite a bit. I suppose by virtue of the fact that the Allies accomplished the objective of protecting European interests in Africa, the British won there.
If you want to get technical, Each country was important in D-Day. The American airborne took out a huge portion of Nazi infrastructure in around Normandy, and units like E Co., 405th PIR, 101st Airborne took strategic objectives like Ste. Marie du Hoc and later on pushed the Germans out of the Ardennes. The English provided the RAF and a huge portion of the D-Day landing force, as well as holding Rommel back in Africa. Were it not for Patton and the Airborne, Europe may have fallen to the Nazis. Were it not for Montgomery and the forces in Italy, the Italians might have gotten their shit together and strengthened the Nazis. The other saving grace was Hitler himself. Had Hitler let, for example, Rommell run the Afrikakorps, we would have lost. It's hard to pinpoint who's responsible for the Allied Victory.
if russia wasn't as devestated as it was during world war two, then maybe they could have won. their factories were all destroyed so the americans kinda had to give them a hand, but really, niether would have won without the other.
You could always say that the true victors were Spain and Switzerland, since they were neutral.
Then again, Spain had the civil war, and there was Guernica and stuff.
"They came for our blood, but drowned in their own!"
[QUOTE=massn7;15913638]Juno Beach, Caen, etc[/QUOTE]
Don't forget the Canadian merchants who had to haul all that shit to the UK while avoiding getting blown up by U-boats.
[QUOTE=nunu;15905913]We won it together. No one country can claim they won.[/QUOTE]
Together, we go onward to victory.
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[QUOTE=TheShatteredIce;15906020]Not quite.. the U.S. virtually handed Germany to the Russians on a silver platter. Then that whole ordeal of West and East hit the fan. Then as we all know came the Wall.[/QUOTE]
Then Reagan was like "Tear this shit down, maggots", and the U.S. took a chunk of Germany out of Russia's grasp.
Everyone keeps on calling the Soviet Union, Russia and Soviets, Russians.
The Soviet Union was a union of republics. Russia is just Russia.
They are two different things.
The Soviet Union:
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/75/Union_of_Soviet_Socialist_Republics_%28orthographic_projection%29.svg/220px-Union_of_Soviet_Socialist_Republics_%28orthographic_projection%29.svg.png[/img]
Russia:
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/65/Russian_Federation_%28orthographic_projection%29.svg/220px-Russian_Federation_%28orthographic_projection%29.svg.png[/img]
Sure, the majority of people in the Soviet Union were Russian, but the Ukrainians, Belarusians, Kazakhs, Uzbeks, Estonians, Latvians, Lithuanians, etc were also part of the nation - so to refer to a person from the Soviet Union, you would call them Soviet, not Russian.
Sorry, it was pissing me off.
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And in my opinion, the Soviets would have won anyway even if the Allies didn't land in France. If we didn't, there would probably be a a Socialist Republic of France, Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg, etc in existence.
[QUOTE=janky;15916048]Everyone keeps on calling the Soviet Union, Russia and Soviets, Russians.
The Soviet Union was a union of republics. Russia is just Russia.
They are two different things.
The Soviet Union:
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/75/Union_of_Soviet_Socialist_Republics_%28orthographic_projection%29.svg/220px-Union_of_Soviet_Socialist_Republics_%28orthographic_projection%29.svg.png[/img]
Russia:
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/65/Russian_Federation_%28orthographic_projection%29.svg/220px-Russian_Federation_%28orthographic_projection%29.svg.png[/img]
Sure, the majority of people in the Soviet Union were Russian, but the Ukrainians, Belarusians, Kazakhs, Uzbeks, Estonians, Latvians, Lithuanians, etc were also part of the nation - so to refer to a person from the Soviet Union, you would call them Soviet, not Russian.
Sorry, it was pissing me off.
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And in my opinion, the Soviets would have won anyway even if the Allies didn't land in France. If we didn't, there would probably be a a Socialist Republic of France, Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg, etc in existence.[/QUOTE]
Don't think so... Hitler could have taken the forces off the line in the West and redeployed them in the East, thus hugely bolstering his forces in the Soviet Union... I mean come on, they came within 20 miles of Moscow, and that's with the men they had. Should the forces of the Western front have been deployed there... that's over a thousand more tanks (good ones too, the Panther, Tiger II, etc) and thousands upon thousands of more men... I'd wager the Russians would have lost.
Also, related:
[media]http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs22/f/2008/002/0/1/World_War_Two__Simple_Version_by_AngusMcLeod.jpg[/media]
Right click and click view image.
the fuck are you saying bro.
Russia, America, and Great Britain won World War II. Who the fuck says America won it? It was a joint effort you fool.
[QUOTE=Witchita;15913471]Shouldn't just count the UK.
It should be common wealth[/QUOTE]
Yeah without Britian's commonwealth you'd loss Canada, India, Australia, Malta and South Africa (probably a few more I've missed too). While each of these countries weren't major players they were there from the start (I presume) and gave to a war which they really had no part in, except that that guy who says he owns us is being attacked.
[QUOTE=massn7;15916137]Don't think so... Hitler could have taken the forces off the line in the West and redeployed them in the East, thus hugely bolstering his forces in the Soviet Union... I mean come on, they came within 20 miles of Moscow, and that's with the men they had. Should the forces of the Western front have been deployed there... that's over a thousand more tanks (good ones too, the Panther, Tiger II, etc) and thousands upon thousands of more men... I'd wager the Russians would have lost.[/QUOTE]
By pulling his forces from the western front, I think Hitler would have only stalled the inevitable and would have left the beaches open for invasion - something I think he was unwilling to do unless he was completely desperate. By the time that would happen, it would already be too late.
Soviet industry had become such a powerhouse by early 1942 that by going one on one with the Axis, all they would have to do is out-produce them. Not to mention the technological gap that existed between the Wehrmacht and the Red Army in 1941 was getting smaller and smaller.
[QUOTE=ray243;15916175]Also, related:
[Giant fucking image]
Right click and click view image.[/QUOTE]
Media tag this thing.
[QUOTE=evlbzltyr;15905937]Allies won. Axis lost. Simple as that.[/QUOTE]
BF1942...good times. good times. Doesn't the next one come out soon? Like tomorrow I think? Wow i changed history class into videos games..how off topic.
[QUOTE=Callius;15916226]Yeah without Britian's commonwealth you'd loss Canada, India, Australia, Malta and South Africa (probably a few more I've missed too). While each of these countries weren't major players they were there from the start (I presume) and gave to a war which they really had no part in, except that that guy who says he owns us is being attacked.[/QUOTE]
And goddamn britian make a fortress into a shithole. Great job sending Prince Of Wales without air support to my country.
We all know the major turning points were the Russian campaigns and the Battle of Britain. The Americans were just the nail in the coffin.
Also the main reason the Russians rarely get acknowledgement is because they were the USSR/communist. What was everyone of the time afraid of? Communism, noone's going to go saying "Oh yeah, the commies are powerful and fight well" if they dislike/despise communism. It's all political bs.
[QUOTE=dcalde78;15905883]Simply because, without the American's help, D-Day would not have happened, and we would have been most likely, invaded.[/QUOTE]
Not only america had a part in DDay, The British and Canadians were there too, america took only 2/5 beaches.
do not take the words seriously of a teenage american boy whose only taste of history are the mad ramblings of his grandfather/father
In war its not about who´s right its about who´s left.
Vietnam obviously. :rolleyes:
It certainly wasn't us British, we came out of the war the worst off. We were nearly bankrupt, at least the Germans got loads of shiny American money. The Americans came out of it twice as rich, and the Soviet Union got control over Eastern Europe.
Winners of WW2:
-Finland, Russia, USA.
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