Why do we (US) spend so much money on our military?
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[QUOTE=Higginz511;18180665]Yeah except we wont stand out in a field and get raped. We will bomb the fuck out of em.[/QUOTE]
How'd that work in Vietnam
[QUOTE=KillerKane;18178106]Jesus Christ.
But I am not Iraqi and I'm white.[/QUOTE]
That's why we all hate you you racist fuck.
Also every countries military should be relative to it's size and population.
[QUOTE=KillerKane;18178069]That's everyone in the US. I mean, isn't the terrible over paid military budget is what ruined the Soviet Union right?[/QUOTE]
And things got better afterwards, so its only going to get better.
Just look at what happened to neutral countries that had only had a small army in WW2 Europe.
When the shit hits the fan the weaker countries are the first to get invaded.
Also, you need an army to stop Mohammed when he decides to express his joy of Islam.
In the form of an explosion.
Because he's a suicide bomber.
Get it?
I'm so witty.
Well look at Britain, It's really small and Doesn't spend much on military yet it was the last Country to dominate most of the world, It's actually a good thing that the British Empire let go of the countries it was ruling because it would have ended up like all the other countries that nearly took over the world like Spain and Hungary?
Why do men spend money on their penis? To make it bigger and more powerful.
It get them nowhere if they don't know how to use it.
[QUOTE=Death0nWings;18178817]Don't we spend more money on our military than everyone else on the planet combined?[/QUOTE]
[img]http://911review.com/motive/imgs/WorldMilitarySpending.jpg[/img]
uh, I think so
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[QUOTE=TH89;18181540]We've been over this
Federal spending is not the same thing as GDP[/QUOTE]
realized that
whoopps
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[QUOTE=Nerdrage;18181789]ex-military people usually do better for society than locked-up depraved creeps that grow up to be drug-addicts, murderers, psycopaths or ever worse: furries.
also, do you know how much beneficial technolodgy comes out of the nation's arms/warfare races? in fact, you are using one right now, the internet, and plenty more good things like exosuits, UAV's and robotsare sure to come.[/QUOTE]
i am wepon
what on earth are you talking about?
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[QUOTE=Linelor;18178512]In a nutshell, the US spends so much on the military because, kinda like Israel, everyone fucking hates us. If we didn't have, hands down, the most powerful military on the planet with the best technology money can buy then Russia or China or someone else would just walk all over us. That and Europe, Israel, South Korea, and Taiwan just to name a few, would be completely fucked.[/QUOTE]
not really.
no one threatens your security or freedom.
china ALREADY walks all over you.
why do you act like Europe and everyother ally to the us are weak and dying, all the commies are savage beasts and America is the most bestests perefect things ever.
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[QUOTE=Guardian-Angel;18179227]You can drop any amount of artillery, bombs, and missiles on a patch of ground; you can burn it and decimate it until it is but churned mud, but you won't be able to uproot an enemy and hold that ground without tanks and infantry.
I thought this was like a law of warfare or something.[/QUOTE]
I don't think the village of little brown people would fight back. so infantry is useless.
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[QUOTE=BusterBluth;18179585]Replace capitalist with communist and the paragraph makes sence.[/QUOTE]
replace "Replace capitalist with communist and the paragraph makes sence." with "I am an idiot, I do not know what communism is" and this sentence makes sense.
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[QUOTE=Insulator;18179670]It's probably been pointed out earlier but I'm too lazy to skim the last few pages, but here it is anyway:
The United States only shells out about 15% of the budget on military, most of the budget deficit comes from Social Security and Medical programs such as Medicare and Medicaid. It's the old Guns Vs. Butter analogy, either you spend more for the military power of the state (guns) while sacrificing the well being of the citizens (butter) or vice versa. North Korea on the other hand spends about 80%-85% on military.
But you're wondering why the United States spends so much on it. Well it's simple, the US is no longer an isolated country, that's long gone. Now we are a world power and we need to maintain our military as much as we can, but really it's not a huge chunk of government spending.[/QUOTE]
have you not seen the size of it? it's unnecessarily large.
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[QUOTE=Snuffy;18179735]Reason 1: Protection. Not so much for ourselves (although that is a reason), I believe, but everyone else. The US is a major military ally of conflict-prone countries and regions such as Isreal, Pakistan and Eastern Europe. The US military is a bodyguard, of sorts; no one is going to want to invade a country that can call on a lot of friends in a short notice. In this way, the US military acts as a deterrent against conflict, preserving the peace in many unstable areas.
Reason 2: Economy. Before the fall of the Soviet Union, the US was (obviously) in a huge arms race, and did have one of the largest armies in the world to protect itself and foreign interests. When the Soviet Union collapsed, there wasn't much of a need for huge armies, but suddenly firing thousands of soldiers would severely detract from the military's effectiveness, cause a huge spike in unemployment and possibly turn people off from joining the military in the first place. If you've noticed, the US has slowly been reducing the size of its military since the end of the Cold War, putting more focus on small, quick, highly trained detachments.
Reason 3: A lot of people don't like the US. A large army acts as a successful deterrent against any action that hurts the US or its overseas interests.[/QUOTE]
1: Palestine continues to fight against Israeli occupation. You think they give a shit about the US. And the US has to both stop fighting every war they can and giving money to murderous regimes. Do you know how many dictatorships the us has armed?
2: Cold war is over.
3: You're acting like the enemy of America is gigantic GDP reading killing cyborgs. Who attack and killed Americans as soon as the military GDP goes down.
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[QUOTE=Luke510;18179870]We just defeated the worlds biggest military might. That's why.[/QUOTE]
I guess people shouldn't fuck with Vietnam now.
[QUOTE=Wakka V2;18178231]It's an ego thing, to keep the citizens in place. To think that we're superior both militarily and economically (not true either way) keeps people from forming a revolution (because they believe that there is nothing better to turn to). People are taught to become good workers (in school) in order to become a successful cog in the capitalist machine. The meat-heads join the military. To have a conflicting opinion, you are automatically deemed "unpatriotic".[/QUOTE]
oh yeh totally, fuck the corporate world, myah we're slaves to the machine, omg we are like gonna save the world...
I'm not American but I will agree with them being economically and militarily superior to most countries, fuck they have the highest GDP and they're military is the most advanced...
The military spends money on technology and equipment that makes our army the most technologically advanced and one of the most powerful armies. Israel has the largest army though. The big bucks come in for things like robots and missiles and stuff. Like the Navy says "They are working to unman the front" Un-manning the front is going to cost a shitload.
[QUOTE=Trotsky;18183299][img]http://911review.com/motive/imgs/WorldMilitarySpending.jpg[/img]
uh, I think so[/QUOTE]
Holy Shit.
Saudi Arabia's spending more money than Israel
Fucking awesome.
[QUOTE=thisispain;18178678]yeah and all americans are fat obviously
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i have a fucking garden
i bought it with my fucking money from my job
suck my insured cock[/QUOTE]
anyone that rated this post dumb is fucking retarded
just sayin'
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in the end we spend a lot on our military because in addition to needing a very large standing army in case of war, it provides one and a half million jobs for United States citizens, and remains around the globe as a demonstration of our world-power status.
In my opinion we need to completely cut our losses, say fuck it, and bring back all occupational forces back from their respective countries (aka abandon the causes of Iraq and Afghanistan). Obama needs to stop adding money on top of the military budget too.
We need to cut back our global influence and bring our forces home, it's too costly to try to hold this shit going on around the world. Even with this fact the overwhelming majority of the US federal budget goes towards social programs which also need to be cut back to hell, otherwise our debt is going to overrun us and then guess what's going to happen
We're going to either have to default on our debts to China (which is the majority holder of United States bonds) which will sprout a war, or China will start playing a larger and larger role in American Politics
we don't want either of those things to happen
so everyone shut the fuck up pay your taxes and yell at obama for spending so much goddamn money
I love the man but now he's just being irresponsible
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Cuz we are badass.
(also thread music)
Since America's military spending is so huge I would have thought ours would be very small but it looks like it's quite good amount, which is odd since Americans could easily use Britain as a stepping stone, especially since where the same language and Britain has really good services. I do know that there are some or at least one American base in Britain and I remember a American kid on TV talking about how easy it is to live there.
Cause we piss everyone off...
I say cut back all military spending by a couple percent. If we were only slightly more efficient in the way we managed the military budget that's got to be millions if not billions of dollars saved every year since we spend so much. There are just so many boondoggles we waste taxpayer money on. For one thing the US government shouldn't favor certain private industries (case an point Colt) even if they make an inferior product for more money than what their competitors ask. That and if we shut down some military bases that serve no purpose whatsoever it could save us a bit of cash too.
I'm not saying cut everything, I'm saying if we cut just a little it will add up to a whole lot of money very fast.
That and Medicaid, which amounts to a huge chunk of our budget is crooked as a Virginia fence. They found that about 10-40% of that entire budget is simply pocketed. Why the hell is no one doing anything about that?
were also the
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Oh yeah, by the way did anyone mention the Military Industrial Complex yet?
IE lobbying from companies that make military supplies/weapons/vehicles/etc. keeps military spending high so that they have lots of jobs and make tons of money off military contracts.
[QUOTE=TH89;18178218]Because it is AWESOME
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[QUOTE=KaIibos;18178424]way to pull a false figure out of your ass
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7a/U.S._Federal_Spending_-_FY_2007.png[/img]
Well, I fixed the chart...
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Christ, what a shit-storm. I suggest that OP read A People's History of American Empire by Howard Zinn. It's pretty biased in some parts but the history is factual. It covers everything that all of you have been posting about. Plus it's in comic book format...pretty pictures...
If Obama changed this Republicans would go crazy and convince the population that he's trying to let the middle-east invade.
[QUOTE=waset8643;18183481]The military spends money on technology and equipment that makes our army the most technologically advanced and one of the most powerful armies. Israel has the largest army though. The big bucks come in for things like robots and missiles and stuff. Like the Navy says "They are working to unman the front" Un-manning the front is going to cost a shitload.[/QUOTE]
I have a question
why do you need to be the biggest military superpower in the world?
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[QUOTE=BricknHead;18183727]anyone that rated this post dumb is fucking retarded
just sayin'
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in the end we spend a lot on our military because in addition to needing a very large standing army in case of war, it provides one and a half million jobs for United States citizens, and remains around the globe as a demonstration of our world-power status.
In my opinion we need to completely cut our losses, say fuck it, and bring back all occupational forces back from their respective countries (aka abandon the causes of Iraq and Afghanistan). Obama needs to stop adding money on top of the military budget too.
We need to cut back our global influence and bring our forces home, it's too costly to try to hold this shit going on around the world. Even with this fact the overwhelming majority of the US federal budget goes towards social programs which also need to be cut back to hell, otherwise our debt is going to overrun us and then guess what's going to happen
We're going to either have to default on our debts to China (which is the majority holder of United States bonds) which will sprout a war, or China will start playing a larger and larger role in American Politics
we don't want either of those things to happen
so everyone shut the fuck up pay your taxes and yell at obama for spending so much goddamn money
I love the man but now he's just being irresponsible[/QUOTE]
you don't seem to realize how unnecessarily large the military spending is. And it's all based on blind paranoia.
[QUOTE=Nerdrage;18181789]ex-military people usually do better for society than locked-up depraved creeps that grow up to be drug-addicts, murderers, psycopaths or ever worse: furries.[/QUOTE]
Not really
If they don't became hobos they usually just drive around with their families asking for "military discounts" on everything
[QUOTE=Nerdrage;18181789]ex-military people usually do better for society than locked-up depraved creeps that grow up to be drug-addicts, murderers, psycopaths or ever worse: furries.[/QUOTE]
oh sure
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Everyone seems to forget that the DoD is one of the few departments than can make a profit.
[QUOTE=KillerKane;18178069]I don't understand. Why do we have 700 military bases around the world? I mean, this is getting out of hand. I think we spend like 800 billion a year on our military. That's like 2500$ on each person. That's everyone in the US. I mean, isn't the terrible over paid military budget is what ruined the Soviet Union right?[/QUOTE]
We don't really spend that much just on certain things.. Secretly some goes to Black Ops and zombie apocalypse prevention units on stand by for whenever and wherever it finally happens
[QUOTE=Trotsky;18186085]oh sure
[img]http://www.americans-working-together.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/homeless_vets2.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
Things have changed since Vietnam. Nowadays, joining the military gives you shitloads of education opportunities that you'd have to be retarded to pass up. If you're coming from a low income family, joining the army may be the best shot you have at becoming employable after high school.
[QUOTE=IAreJackass;18186315]Things have changed since Vietnam. Nowadays, joining the military gives you shitloads of education opportunities that you'd have to be retarded to pass up. If you're coming from a low income family, joining the army may be the best shot you have at becoming employable after high school.[/QUOTE]
Didn't this thread start out as why do we spend so much on our military? Now were talking about hobo vets during the 60s and 70s and how the military pays for the education of any moron willing to enlist.
[QUOTE=dezrun;18186507]Didn't this thread start out as why do we spend so much on our military? Now were talking about hobo vets during the 60s and 70s and how the military pays for the education of any moron willing to enlist.[/QUOTE]
Fuck you, ok.
Show some fucking respect.
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