• Teleportation Dilemma
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[QUOTE=Pixelbanana;17026697]That was a good movie.[/QUOTE] great post, thanks for this vaulable information you provided, I'm not sure what i would have doen had you not posted this remarkable comment.
[QUOTE=Pixelbanana;17026171]1. Analyzing every single aspect of a person's data produces such an enormous amount of data, that no modern computer can handle it. No computer for the next 100 years will probably be able to handle it.[/QUOTE] No computer ever will be able. One cube of candy has around 10^23 atoms (a one followed by 23 zeroes) with even more electrons. Taking the current position and velocity (or in quantum manner: the wavefunction) leads to enormous amounts of data - Just for such a cube of candy. This is totally inpracticable. [QUOTE=Pixelbanana;17026171]2. Although the materials needed for reconstructing a person (electrons, protons, and neutrons) are always present, we will probably never have the technology to manipulate them with such precision.[/QUOTE] I'm sure, we can reach a level of technology to manipulate it. But not on that large scale like a body. [QUOTE=Pixelbanana;17026171]As you notice, teleportation produces two people. Both of these people are you, down to the last detail.[/QUOTE] Yes, that's an ethical problem. One more thing is, you can't get the exact position and velocity of a subatomic particle (Heisenberg), so simply "ready out the data" won't work. Anyway, with wormholes, this might work. [editline]06:23PM[/editline] [QUOTE=JohnEdwards;17026200]they have been able to teletport a grain of salt in finland .001 inches, living things I doubt we will get it that far[/QUOTE] No. Scientist by now were able to entangle several particles and teleport quantum information (e.g. the direction of an electrons spin) - All using the EPR-Effect. Teleportation in physics actually has nothing to do with "teleportation you know from star trek".
Nothing is impossible. If you had said 500 years ago that you were going to put a massive chunk of metal to orbit the earth taking pictures you would have been locked up.
[QUOTE=Itszutak;17026649]The best solution I can think of is...well, portals. A "fold" in space that brings two far-away places close together-- that way no person is being torn apart, only the fabric of space.[/QUOTE] ... called a wormhole :) This is the only think I can think about teleportation might be practicable.
[QUOTE=aVoN;17027272] No. Scientist by now were able to entangle several particles and teleport quantum information (e.g. the direction of an electrons spin) - All using the EPR-Effect. Teleportation in physics actually has nothing to do with "teleportation you know from star trek".[/QUOTE] Yeah see post 11 [url]http://www.facepunch.com/showpost.php?p=17026433&postcount=11[/url]
[QUOTE=:smug:;17027354]Nothing is impossible. If you had said 500 years ago that you were going to put a massive chunk of metal to orbit the earth taking pictures you would have been locked up.[/QUOTE] Sure, but it's not the same thing. It's like saying, nothing is impossible. We'll be flying faster than light in 1000 years.
[QUOTE=Karmah;17026363]I hate this method, because the original "You" is deleted and a clone of you is created. Teleportation will most likely never exist due to such a thing IMO.[/QUOTE] And if a glitch or something happened and it didn't create the clone properly, you're screwed.
Yeah, that's another thing.
[QUOTE=aVoN;17027272] ... No. Scientist by now were able to entangle several particles and teleport quantum information (e.g. the direction of an electrons spin) - All using the EPR-Effect. [b] Teleportation in physics actually has nothing to do with "teleportation you know from star trek".[/b][/QUOTE] Listen to this man.
[QUOTE=J4censolo;17026922]What, like these? [img]http://filesmelt.com/downloader/futurama.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] Yeah, just with more :science:
[QUOTE=Pixelbanana;17026929]Nobody knows you die, too. It could lead to some lulz.[/QUOTE] I don't see how extra lulz could be obtained from a carbon copy of you. Sure you would be dead but 'you' would still be alive to everyone else.
[quote] [u]The big dilemma.[/u] As you notice, teleportation produces two people. Both of these people are you, down to the last detail. In order to compensate for the usage of surrounding air (or whatever material is used) to create the person in the other location, the original person needs to be broken up into the used material, or in other words, zappy-gun'd. In the process of teleportation, you die, and nobody is able to tell. Just wanted to share that with you guys.[/QUOTE] Oh , thanks. You just spoiled my dream of getting my games stolen by a corporate AI And being zapped into a computer. fucking thanks. *cries*
Yes, indeed you die and your copy is moving on, that's an old dilemma (and noone would tell the difference, as the clone will have all your memories, therefore it will swear that he's the original one, because he remembers the moment before the teleportation) the only way you preserve "yourselfness" is by physically moving your mind (brain) as for the facts - unfortunately there is no physical clue for teleportation to be ever possible (Quantum entanglement is something completely different and that's what they refer to when they say they "teleported" an atom)
[QUOTE=Swebonny;17027416]Sure, but it's not the same thing. It's like saying, nothing is impossible. We'll be flying faster than light in 1000 years.[/QUOTE] We might find a method, while Einsteins theory is indeed the current rule we hold true, there are future theories that might do that we can travel faster then time.
-snip- Nevermind
Why can't it analyze a shipping container and then just put a motherfucker inside it and hope for the best?
[QUOTE=Karmah;17026363]I hate this method, because the original "You" is deleted and a clone of you is created. Teleportation will most likely never exist due to such a thing IMO.[/QUOTE] I came here to post this, this is why I would never teleport, even if the technology was available. I do think it will be available someday, though not within our lifetimes, or our grandkids' lifetimes.
It would be funny to set things up wrong [img]http://filesmelt.com/downloader/graphic1copy.png[/img]
Contain and control wormholes.
[QUOTE=Pixelbanana;17026171][u]This is how teleportation would hypothetically work.[/u] [img]http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/7873/graphic1copy.png[/img] 1. Every aspect of a persons body is analyzed. 2. It is put into data. 3. That data is transported. 4. The person is reconstructed in another place using the data. [u]This is why teleportation is practically impossible.[/u] 1. Analyzing every single aspect of a person's data produces such an enormous amount of data, that no modern computer can handle it. No computer for the next 100 years will probably be able to handle it. 2. Although the materials needed for reconstructing a person (electrons, protons, and neutrons) are always present, we will probably never have the technology to manipulate them with such precision. [u]The big dilemma.[/u] As you notice, teleportation produces two people. Both of these people are you, down to the last detail. In order to compensate for the usage of surrounding air (or whatever material is used) to create the person in the other location, the original person needs to be broken up into the used material, or in other words, zappy-gun'd. In the process of teleportation, you die, and nobody is able to tell. Just wanted to share that with you guys.[/QUOTE] You got this from the Science of Star Trek.
Lets say it could work. Wouldn't the person die as he is being deconstructed? The new person, although would be exactly the same as the original, he is still a new person. Just exactly the same as the original. Now cloning would be more ideal for this.
[QUOTE=BlindSamurai;17033682]You got this from the Science of Star Trek.[/QUOTE] No I didn't.
It's not teleportation but i always wanted to do this. [img]http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/157/teleportation.jpg[/img] [editline]12:54AM[/editline] also its bent. I suck at spelling rated myself spelling
If not teleportation, we can at least clone.
I bet one day we'll be able to tele
Let's just use magic.
They have developed very successful teleportation, but it only works on light.
[QUOTE=Derp_Alt;17026666]I was thinking more about something like pipes in which space is compressed, making you fit in a small tube. Then we'd just need some kind of gravity along these pipes to accelerate us. That wouldn't be exactly teleportation and can not be used anywhere but it will probably be the nearest we can get.[/QUOTE] Not going to lie, I started humming the Futurama theme right here.
[QUOTE=YoMother;17026671]No, teleportation would be MOVING the body, not copying. Basically splitting the body into atoms, transporting it and then gluing it togheder again.[/QUOTE] But if you take apart your body you technically die because its just separated molecules. and an exact copy gets reconstructed. Then this brings into debate if a soul is possible. Man my brain is just expoding thinking about it. The only way i could think of doing it without killing the original person would be to somehow transport the person without taking him apart through a "rift in space"
Telepresence is good enough. Why would you actually need to teleport there when cameras and robots can represent you and provide all the information you'd need to know on a handy display in front of you?
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