[QUOTE=Spleet;17035228]Telepresence is good enough. Why would you actually need to teleport there when cameras and robots can represent you and provide all the information you'd need to know on a handy display in front of you?[/QUOTE]
Good idea.
Maybe even virtualization?
Agreed, if you're broken down into tiny particles and teleported upon another location, and reconstructed, is the person on the other side you? To clarify, during the initial process you were dismantled and were therefore killed - your self-awareness was destroyed. Would the self-awareness on the other side be you, or another?
[QUOTE=livelonger12;17035464]Agreed, if you're broken down into tiny particles and teleported upon another location, and reconstructed, is the person on the other side you? To clarify, during the initial process you were dismantled and were therefore killed - your self-awareness was destroyed. Would the self-awareness on the other side be you, or another?[/QUOTE]
You buy an axe. The axehead breaks, so you replace it. Later, the handle breaks. So you replace it.
IS IT THE SAME AXE?
[QUOTE=Karmah;17026363]I hate this method, because the original "You" is deleted and a clone of you is created. Teleportation will most likely never exist due to such a thing IMO.[/QUOTE]
Agreed, and my bad - I didn't notice this post. Furthermore, this also forces us to question the whole concept of "you". If the other "you" on the other side is equivalent to the physical self on the initial side but is a mere clone of you (i.e. they compose of the same cognition - the electrical activity in the brain was captured and transferred in part with the physical anatomy), then does the essence of "you" differ from your anatomical and electrical "you"? To clarify, it's more like a law of physics or such that prevents "oneness" from occurring; preventing consciousness from being interlinked and creating independent self-awareness.
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[QUOTE=Zeke129;17035546]You buy an axe. The axehead breaks, so you replace it. Later, the handle breaks. So you replace it.
IS IT THE SAME AXE?[/QUOTE]
The factory process doesn't create purely identical products - they appear identical but aren't due to different factors affecting them (e.g. the way the colour was sprayed and of which intensity (e.g. more green and without difference between may have been sprayed upon the second Axe), the ultimate size or other factors should also differ in minutia).
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I suppose if every form of self-awareness occurred at the same time and at the same place, self-awareness would be unified. However, by this principle, our self-awareness could be unified fractions of other self-awareness formed at varying times throughout our life or its development stage in unification.
[img]http://www.njaapt.org/JimsSubWeb/BookReviews/teleportation.jpg[/img]
I read it a couple of years ago. Pretty damn good read, for those of you interested.
The hell man, I made a thread on this already.
[url]http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=770465[/url]
[QUOTE=gamefreek76;17033646]Contain and control wormholes.[/QUOTE]
Well give me more energy then exists in the entire universe.
What if you teleport yourself while going back in time?
I think finding a way to creat a portal would be a more feasible idea, I wouldn't want to have something malfunction and me reconstructing and finding out my legs are switched.
Dr. Mccoy says that everyone who's used a transporter has no soul
The method described in the OP is not teleportation, just .. [i]long distance cloning[/i].
Your illustration cracked me up. Made me think of the download/uploading thing with the paper coming out the file and going into the computer or something like that.
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[QUOTE=b4nny;17038822]The method described in the OP is not teleportation, just .. [i]long distance cloning[/i].[/QUOTE]
That's true. His method would destroy, and then recreate you elsewhere. Not physically teleport you form point A to point B.
This is why we can't have nice things.
AKA Don't teleport things that are alive.. Teleportation would be extremely useful with inanimate objects though.
I don't think that there will ever be teleportation, either we'll find a way to extract the human brain from the skull and be able to live without bodies and our brains are sustained artificially, allowing for stuff like near light speed travel by cyrogenic/some other kind of stasis, or just playing games for the 20 odd years it takes to get from star to star at near-light speed. Or, if you've read [i]Revelation Space[/i] it would be like The Eighty. Where people have their minds scanned by "trawlers" (machines that can scan the human mind and convert it into data.) and live on as Alpha-Level simulations. Also, we currently think that faster than light travel is impossible, but hell, maybe in 1000 years they'll be laughing at us for being fucking narrowminded, however if you've read RS like I stated earlier, maybe we'll just have Lighthuggers. Which just accelerate and travel just beneath the speed of light.
Tl;Dr:
Computers
The major problem isn't that computers can't handle the information, but that obtaining 100% of the information of every particle in a persons body is a PHYSICAL IMPOSSIBILITY. Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle, bitches.
[QUOTE=sltungle;17039427]The major problem isn't that computers can't handle the information, but that obtaining 100% of the information of every particle in a persons body is a PHYSICAL IMPOSSIBILITY. Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle, bitches.[/QUOTE]
And theirs probably some ethics issues with downloading a persons every thought and memory onto a computer to be transported...
As for computers, every year a new technology is revealed. Quantum computing is on the brink, 20 years from now, it will be a likely reality. If Quantum computers exist, the data storage problem is gone. The rest of it.. that's still an issue.
You can't deconstruct and reconstruct yourself, that just goes against the laws of physics. You would have to be moved to the destination somehow.
[QUOTE=Pixelbanana;17026171][u]This is how teleportation would hypothetically work.[/u]
[img]http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/7873/graphic1copy.png[/img]
1. Every aspect of a persons body is analyzed.
2. It is put into data.
3. That data is transported.
4. The person is reconstructed in another place using the data.
[u]This is why teleportation is practically impossible.[/u]
1. Analyzing every single aspect of a person's data produces such an enormous amount of data, that no modern computer can handle it. No computer for the next 100 years will probably be able to handle it.
[/quote]I disagree in two things.
1. This is not only theoretical way to this.
2. We will soon have capacity to scan human body to degree that we will be able to make an whole digital model of it. Computers are a whole lot more powerful than you thing, and no, you don't need to scan every atom separately to make an perfect copy[quote]
And one more thing - Maybe this single theory seems as only real solution to you, however, I have to remind you one thing - Even though a big community of people who call themselves "educated" says otherwise,
[b] We don't know shit.[/b]
Seriously, setting conclusions like "This will never be possible" is dumb. Even scientist's concede, that even through we know much more than before 100 years, we still know barely anything. There are myriads of principles we don't have slightest idea about and which we will hopefully find out sometime.
So a little bit less stupid conclusion you can do is: "Using technology we have now, teleportation is impossible."
Also even if we could, how would the body know to start itself back up again? Maybe you can move the body, but wouldn't you die in the process and just get a corpse on the other end.
I don't think this type of teleportation would work. Portals might though, if we can ever figure out how to bend space.
Indeed, spatial stretching is much better, much safer, much cosier, and much faster: just walk through the "magic door", and you're on the other side.
[QUOTE=Smirnoff Joe;17040544]Indeed, spatial stretching is much better, much safer, much cosier, and much faster: just walk through the "magic door", and you're on the other side.[/QUOTE]
This. Why rip yourself on pieces to move them when you can rip the universe and go through the hole
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[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;17040485]Also even if we could, how would the body know to start itself back up again? Maybe you can move the body, but wouldn't you die in the process and just get a corpse on the other end.
I don't think this type of teleportation would work. Portals might though, if we can ever figure out how to bend space.[/QUOTE]
And actually the body doesn't need anything to "start", like an engine would. The heart beats because of chemicals and electricity that it creates. If you held the situation before a heartbeat and moved the whole mass of the body, there is no reason why the heart should not finish the beat.
(now I am defending theory which I think is stupid in basic, lol)
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;17040485]Also even if we could, how would the body know to start itself back up again? Maybe you can move the body, but wouldn't you die in the process and just get a corpse on the other end.
I don't think this type of teleportation would work. Portals might though, if we can ever figure out how to bend space.[/QUOTE]
That's what the problem the scientists are trying to figure out. There is a possibility that the body does actually start up again (I don't think that will happen) so they need to figure out if living cells will actually "start living" again once teleported and if they don't live, then figure out how to get the cell to start living again.
With bending space, they're looking at how wormholes work and found out that if you do manage to get through a wormhole to the other side, the wormhole would just close itself and you'd get crushed because the wormholes don't actually stay opened for long enough. Now, scientists need to figure out how to actually keep that wormhole open for long enough for something to pass through it (and to figure out where the wormhole leads up to since there's a possibility that it could lead to a dangerous environment). Then after that, they need to figure out how to manipulate it more easily.
Things like this are centuries (even millenia) away from actually happening though.
Like it's been stated a few times. I think the greatest problem would be the ethics of the matter, with the whole cloning and everything.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;17040585]Why rip yourself on pieces to move them when you can rip the universe and go through the hole [/QUOTE]
Divide by zero
O shi-
[QUOTE=Swebonny;17026542]I don't see where teleportation is going to be used.[/QUOTE]
Super fast internet maybe? They been already teleporting data.
I say teleportation of dead objects may be possible but it would be useless. If you can create lets say uranium from air why would you do that? But if you would actually transport the material between lets say planets then it could have some use.
Teleportation of human will never be possible (imo). You can't catch the brain activity and recreate it without any losses (imo). Only thing you can do is to scan person's body, create his identical clone at the other end and transfer his entire memory to the clone and kill the first one. But it's not teleportation it's cloning and mind transplantation. Would be fucking useful between planets tho.
Teleportation is when you have one shots too many, than you wake up in your bed.
And the bending of space is a lot more likely to happen in the far future, I've read about it somewhere.
Also if you take Moore's law into account, it might not be millennias away from now.
Wormholes are more likely in my opinion. Bending space to create a "door" atleast doesn't kill you by dismantling.
[QUOTE=The Epidemic;17027418]And if a glitch or something happened and it didn't create the clone properly, you're screwed.[/QUOTE]
That's why you don't destroy the original as soon as a copy is finished, you scan both the copy and the original again and see if the data matches. If not, repair the copy and scan again, when both are identical, you can destroy the original. There's only one problem with this; it would make the teleportation time a lot longer as the data needs to travel back and forth between the two teleportation machines.
This form of teleportation wouldn't be useful for long-distance travel (let's say outside of solar system) anyway because of two things:
1. The data travels at the speed of light.
2. You'd also need to set up a teleportation machine on the other side.
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